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I just recently finished Dance in the Vampire Bund anime, and, I have to disagree with this statement.
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Two barechested shots, a third one seemingly censored with colored light beams across the screen, the Opening theme seemed to have the most fanservice for Mina, showing her dancing and spinning with a long, thin, white cloth around her neck covering just the necessary. Most of the time Mina was very clothed, and her busty true form was completely censored in a swirling of faded black and yellow light for a body (think Demon energy). Most of the fanservice was for the bustier characters; a couple pantyshots, some boobshots, and related vampire assaulting. And anything relating to imagining sex, I didn't see at all, thankfully. So I dunno what you saw. Quote:
I didn't like the ending fight though, where they decided to turn it into a display of flashing lights instead of actual action. BTW, you mentioned that the author was male, and appeared on the first show of the anime, well, he appars in one of the "Dance with the Vampire Maids" shorts after the show, and it's mentioned that while he's in charge of the anime, he's not in charge of the series, or something like that. He says something about his Oba-chan (? the subtitle said grandmother) doing it, though I may have misunderstood exactly what he was meaning by that. Well, with that done, I'm now lacking an anime to watch or manga to read, any recommendations? I'm not much in the mood for a VN atm. Otherwise I'll go to playing an awesome strategy PC game I got recently (Galactic Civilizations II), which has been occupying way too much of my time lately >_> Last edited by unownmew; 06-04-2011 at 03:53 PM. |
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Anyway, now that I got that Muv-Luv speech out of my system, some thoughts on the actual story:
Spoiler: show Unownmew, I'll recommend Madoka again. I finished the show the other day, and it was kickass. Depressingly mindbreaking.
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06-04-2011, 04:25 PM | #2654 | |
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Edit: The first scene is very very interesting and compelling. I think I'm going to enjoy this. Edit 2: As I watch the theme song, I think back on what people have said about this anime (as I don't remember much of it, which I'm sure is a good thing). Didn't someone say something about no fanservice or something earlier? Or was that another anime I'm getting it mixed up with? Cus I'm seeing fanservice... Last edited by unownmew; 06-04-2011 at 04:34 PM. |
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06-04-2011, 05:04 PM | #2656 | |
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Just finished episode one. I remember someone said Madoka takes everything about Mahou Shojou and turns it on it's head right? It's certainly very dark, but, in a creepy kind of way, those strange 2D paper things, I'm sure I'd be pretty traumatized if I saw that for real. >_> One gripe I have so far, it seems the art style, half the time, makes the characters look older then they are. In one scene they look like young teenagers, the other scene they look "magical girl aged." It's not the presence of one or the other, but the fact that there's both that sets me off a little bit. Oh well, on to episode 2. |
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And trust me. You ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait till episode 03. I think the art style gradually improved by the end of the series, and the characters looked consistently more mature. I don't remember clearly though.
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06-04-2011, 05:36 PM | #2658 | |
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Seriously? Entire reason I avoided the show like the plague in the first place were the Hidamari Sketch lolimoeblob character designs. "Ol' Football Head" looks nary a day over 13. And guess what. She's canonically 14. She looks loli for her age, not mature. And you want them to look even younger? Anyway, this series is, in spite of its lolimoeblob character designs, a very very good series.
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06-04-2011, 05:45 PM | #2659 | |
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Great >_> The first witch was bad enough, that's absolutely creepy. The story is good though, it's quite the interesting take on Mahou Shojou. Ok, for episode 2, they consistently looked high-school age, even having sizable bust. I'm assuming grade 9 is like 9th grade in America, that's high school freshmen, so I can understand the mentor girl being mature (though it's really strange to think of her as a magical girl), but didn't it say Madoka was in grade two? (maybe I missed something, now that I think about it, that seems a little odd) Why are they all the same size? Mahou Shojou to me says young girl, but they keep having double themes, half the time she's a girl, the other half a teenager. This is going to irritate me greatly.. Last edited by unownmew; 06-04-2011 at 05:56 PM. |
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06-04-2011, 05:54 PM | #2660 | |
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I was unaware of her "canon" age, if she's 14, I can accept that, though what I knew of mahou shojou is they have younger characters then that, and she looked, and acted very young in the first episode. Heck, standing next to her mother she didn't look that tall. I don't care if she looks younger or older, She looks young enough when she looks young, what irritates me is the mixture of both I keep seeing. I'm sure it is a good series, and I will continue to watch it, I'm just voicing my opinions as they come. Last edited by unownmew; 06-04-2011 at 05:57 PM. |
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06-04-2011, 06:00 PM | #2661 |
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As far as the grades go, you're being misled/confused by the fansubber's attempts to Westernize the grades for an English-speaking audience. Whenever they say "Grade 9," what they're trying to convey is that the students are 14 going on 15. They don't mean to imply that they are in the lowest grade of the highest-up school before college. That's usually translated as "Grade 10" by people who use numbers. (Aside: it's actually pretty uncommon to see someone use "Grade 9" in American fansubbing. Most people using numbers will translate the high school years to Grades 10-12 but will translate the middle school ones as 6-8. At least in my limited experience with people who do this.)
But then when you see people saying Madoka's in "Grade 2", they're reverting to Japanese nomenclature. The Japanese define the grades in blocks. There are ...
(1) Japanese children graduate one year earlier than us by grade numerology: they graduate from their eleventh numbered year at age 17, we graduate from our twelfth at age 18. (2) Things don't always translate one-to-one. For instance, Japanese high schools have only three grades. Most traditional American high schools have four grades. Long story short, if you lop off Grade 12 completely and account for the fact that all the girls are on track to graduate by the end of our Grade 11, Madoka is in the American equivalent of Grade 8 while Mami is in the American equivalent of Grade 9 age-wise, but Madoka is in USA Grade 7 while Mami is in USA Grade 8 in the sense of when you move on from one building to the next. Regardless, Madoka is 13/14 (Wiki says 14) and Mami is 14/15 (so one can infer she's 15), the ages corresponding to most American 8th and 9th graders.
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少女 literally means "a little bit" (少) "a woman" (女). It literally thus refers to someone who is partly but not yet wholly a woman. While the term is used indiscriminately these days to refer to a large age range of girls, you should keep this history in mind before saying to yourself, "shoujo means little girls." Regardless of the term's history, the term's current applications include teenage and sometimes even college-age girls: so it's flat-out wrong to get flustered that they're referring to middle schoolers this way. According to Wikipedia, if you like, most Japanese associate the term with ages 7 to 18 and the law uses it to define any female minor under the age of 20. Since Madoka is only 14 years old, she most definitely fits the bill for being labeled a shoujo.
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Its partly my confusion with the ages that helped my irritation, but it was also that the art style and way Madoka acted that caused me to think "young" while everyone around her looked "mature". Now that I have everything sorted out, I'm less irritated, we'll see what happens. On another note, finished Episode 3; Spoiler: show This is dark and serious.. Last edited by unownmew; 06-04-2011 at 08:16 PM. |
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Watched the opening scenes (pre- and post-opening credits) to the first episode of Kanon again, just on a whim. Ayu's scene (the one post-opening credits) blows me away every time. A, tears. ;_; B, what a naughty director! I swear to God: that scene is just so explicitly chock-full of spoilers and yet they're all perfectly hidden in plain sight to the first-time viewer. Brings back memories of '06 when bbb was watching Kanon for the very first time.
Reading comments on the video's page depresses me though. -_-; So many -- too many -- people these days see Clannad before they see Kanon. I could be more accepting of that fact were it not for irksome comments like these: reminds me of f fuko in clannad )Why irksome? Because he's got it backwards. >_< No one in Kanon is like Fuuko: it's Fuuko who is like people in Kanon. grrrrr Or comments like this one ... Hmm im having a deja vu feeling... why is it so familar?...FUCK YOU! Kanon's way better than Clannad ... and Kanon fucking came first! So go take your fucking déjŕ vu and shove it up your butt! Yuki: Calm down, Talon! It's just irritating. >_> I loved the Ushio arc as much as the next guy and am grateful to you guys for getting to me to watch it, but there's a reason I originally dropped Clannad After-Story eight episodes in: and that's that the Clannad universe, Ushio arc and Nagisa's parents aside, is boring as fuck. Drives me nuts that all these children come along and in addition to not fuckin' knowin' their roots they can't even tell the superior from the inferior product. *grumble grumble Ayu arc is still the best Key arc hands down grumle grumble* Mcsweeney: Hey, I don't wanna hear this from you ... although I guess now you know how we AIR people feel. Talon: Oh for the love of-- Mcsweeney: MISUZU ARC IS BEST ARC! ;_______________; Yeaaaaaaaaaaah ... yeah.
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Ha ha, I actually rewatched the post-opening credits a few days ago on a whim as well, and was just as shocked at how spoilerific it was. Up to now I never really quite made out what the scene of the red figure on the ground was - whether it was just a shot of a dress with the owner curled up or what (I pictured a pose like the girl's from Clannad's "world that has ended"). But no, you can clearly see part of the head and face in the corner, which should tell you exactly who it is. Man, the fact the director got away with sprinkling so many obvious hints around impresses me once again.
Although I still have not been able to find that exact unpacking scene you described. Are you sure you weren't thinking of the first Kanon animé? I checked like the first few episodes and Yuuichi actually found the "item" amongst his stuff and wondered why he had it, asking if it was Nayuki's. Anyway, I'm glad you all urged me to watch Kanon before Clannad. I had not heard a thing about Kanon prior to watching the show, but knew there was a lot of praise for Clannad. If I had watched Clannad first, I'd probably be one of those commenters who thinks Kanon ripped off Clannad. >.>;
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About Japanese schools:
I made an image to explain this, made an error though, and when I went back to fix it, I saw that someone on Wikipedia's made a perfectly superior table for you so check it out and hopefully that'll clear up any confusion you may have had about the various names for the grades, the breakdown for the different levels of education (e.g. elementary vs. middle vs. high), and the ages children typically are in those grades. Thing is, though ... on closer inspection, I think the years are one off. In my experience (real Japanese people of all ages -- grandmas, middle aged men and women, and 20-somethings), they all turned 17 their senior year, not 18 their senior year. So that's odd that the Wiki disagrees. But whatever. I'll believe myself, but I won't fault you for trusting Wiki over me. *shrug* Quote:
Yuuichi unpacking in Toei anime Yuuichi sleeping with the headband in Toei anime And as a special treat , here's Ayu in the Toei anime. (OH DEAR GOD! Wasn't nearly so bad back when I watched this in Summer 2004, but yeah, now that we've been gifted the blessing of KyoAni Kanon, I don't think I could ever go back. ) But as far as unpacking goes, the whole point, if I'm remembering our conversation correctly, was to show you that ... Spoiler: show
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Ohhh. I was under the impression you were referring to the unpacking scene as from the KyoAni version. =x I don't think I ever saw Kyon-clone Yuuichi unpacking it or having it in his possession, even if it was off to the side. I still haven't rewatched the series closely in full, so maybe I'm just missing it. I've scoured the first few epiodes quite a few times though, and haven't encountered any image like that.
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Spoiler: show However, I could have sworn he had the headband with him even in the KyoAni version. Oh well, not the end of the world if I've misremembered this. Though it'll drive me nuts if we later find it. lol
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And on those YT comments - where do these guys come from? KEY fans have long been stereotyped as blindly lauding KEY works but how they rank-order things has always been a mystery to me. But it's clear that a new, huge generation of KEY fans have appeared who only seem to like/play Clannad. This is a major annoyance on VNDB as well, with Clannad, FSN and Ever17 having ridiculous numbers of voters giving those titles almost comically exaggerated (10/10) ratings.
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Spoiler: show Dopple, you were going to give me the translation to the chapter 7 speech at one point, but edited it out due to spoilers, right? Could I please have it now?
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Doppel, since you're around the 30's in Heartcatch, I'll list some things for you to look forward to, since things get alot better in the 30's. 1) Erika trying to clean her room with her Precure powers. 2) A great amount of development on Yuri's side. I'm sure the new ending tells something else about her as well. 3) The Tsubomi development you were asking for. While it's not exactly what you were asking for, it's similar, and I personally think it's better than the thing you were asking for. 4) An awesome fashion show. There's so much emotion leading up to this fashion show, so when it actually happens, it's an absolutely wonderful moment. The insert song made it that much better. It's in episode 36, look forward to it! 5) A new attack, which is always welcome. Maybe I'm over glorifying it, but you've shared similar opinions that I had when I watched it, so I don't think I am. |
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Hey BBB, she's at Chapter 7!
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If you sleep now you'll probably have nightmares.
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