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Old 09-06-2013, 08:03 AM   #5476
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:49 AM   #5477
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Um, Planetes? Pretty much everything on my PC that needs to be finished is fair game now. If you're alluding to something specific, I can't really put my finger on what it is.
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Old 09-06-2013, 09:40 AM   #5478
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No allusions. I sincerely don't remember what it is, only that you had indicated that there was some series I had highly recommended which you were going to get to first thing after you finished Rewrite.

No guilt tripping either. You watch and play what you want to watch and play. I was only ever remarking that I coulda sworn you'd declared that something else was next on your to do list, something I myself had seen or played ... *shrug*
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:15 PM   #5479
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Here not for a suggestion, but rather for an inquiry- For the VN-playing folk, what are some good storied fantasy ones? I've heard good things about Rewrite, but I'm, well, having some issues getting it to work.

Kamidori was a great example of a fantasy VN for me, but the story... Could have been deeper. The characterization was fairly good, though.
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Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.

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Old 09-06-2013, 01:38 PM   #5480
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You mean high fantasy setting, or fantasy as in anything make-believe? I'm trending toward the former given your Kamidori example but I just want to make sure.

Most "high fantasy" tends to be toward the JRPG style, so anything in that vein tends toward the nuki. Even Fate/stay night is roughly based around a JRPG-like system, rather than going to the myth/legend and starting from scratch a la what J.R.R. Tolkein did.
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:03 PM   #5481
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Yeah, I guess I meant more high fantasy, guess I should have been more clear on that. >_>


(What does 'nuki' mean?)
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Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:26 PM   #5482
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Nukis are the brainless sex romps that most people think of stereotypically when they hear "porn games". From what I can tell, something like Rance/MDKB don't count despite those games having excessive H, because there's some semblance of story and nukis are supposed to be retarded. I've never played one, it seems.

If you're looking for high fantasy, the VN world is considerably bare, but less so than anime. High fantasy is just not that big in Japan, by far the most common setting is high school. Even among RPG parody games, it's still a small number of the overall VN world, with high school dominating everything.

The ones I've played personally are Sengoku Rance and Utawarerumono, both of which have game components. Rance was the best of the lot, since it's absolutely hilarious even if unspeakably brutal and horrifically misogynistic at times, while Utawarerumono is more in like with a TRPG I guess. Suikoden and Final Fantasy Tactics are what I've heard for the latter. Rance is hard to describe, since I don't have a reference for it. I think Loki or BBB could probably categorize it better.
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Old 09-06-2013, 09:39 PM   #5483
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Does anyone else keep up with the manga here? I would watch the anime if it wasn't for time constraints, and I've been keeping up with the manga consistently since the beginning.

Might like to have a convo about that :'(
TBH, for a series like Gin no Saji it's moreso something I probably wouldn't mind too badly? Since the show isn't so hung up on mystery and stuff so much as it is showcasing to us all of the neat stuff to do with farming (and now in TECHNICOLOR®! ) But I doubt I'll read ahead. ^^; Think I'd prefer to just keep watching with the show and enjoy the mild and pleasant surprises each week.

If you want to find a manga Talon has read ahead of the anime, you've got to find one where either he discovered it before discovering there was an anime (e.g. Genshiken) or else one where he didn't think there'd ever be any (more) anime (e.g. Rozen Maiden). I think those kind of sum up the situations where I read ahead of the anime. Meina's Owl ... Usagi Drop (back when I discovered it in stores, before there was any word of an anime) ... Yeah, if I discover the manga first, then I may read on even if an anime is announced.

But -- LOL -- even this strategy doesn't always pan out. For example, Genshiken Nidaime, where even though I'd read all of the original manga and the first three chapters of the sequel ... I ended up falling behind reading the sequel and then, when I heard the sequel was getting an anime, decided "Well I'll just wait for that instead! " (Spoiler: I may consider doing this with Rozen Maiden too. Although with Rozen Maiden it's not likely to be relevant for quite some time. ... wait, why am I laughing about that? )
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Old 09-06-2013, 09:48 PM   #5484
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Here not for a suggestion, but rather for an inquiry- For the VN-playing folk, what are some good storied fantasy ones? I've heard good things about Rewrite, but I'm, well, having some issues getting it to work.

Kamidori was a great example of a fantasy VN for me, but the story... Could have been deeper. The characterization was fairly good, though.
Like Doppel said, there's not many. Outside of the ones he mentioned, I've only played Monmusu Quest and maybe Planetarian (if that counts). Monmusu Quest is one of those nukiges, but under the mindless H, it has a decent story. I'm actually eagerly awaiting the patch for the third part. Planetarian is short, but great.

For another fantasy VN, I'm about to play Yumina the Ethereal. I haven't really looked much into it. It could be good, it could be bad. I'll tell when I get to playing it I guess!
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Old 09-06-2013, 09:55 PM   #5485
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Rance/MDKB don't count [...] because there's some semblance of story.
I know what you're trying to say, but it should probably say something different. I can't claim to know the best answer myself as everything I thought of sounded pretty darn subjective (e.g. "because they have a good story") and/or still wouldn't exclude the games you're calling nukiges (e.g. I've known several eroges whose stories I quite loved yet which were also quite all about the eroticism!), but saying "some semblance of story" definitely doesn't work since (afaik) all eroge have got at least some SEMBLANCE of a story to them, otherwise they would by definition be nothing more than HCGs set to music. Unless we're going to include those crappy Flash pornographic dating sims from the late 1990s, but those shouldn't count.
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:07 AM   #5486
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I've never played a nuki, but from what I've seen in H anime, I can surmise what I think it constitutes. Take the anime Rape! Rape! Rape!

-two girls talking in a high school setting
-they give their names in a conversation
-one wanders off and gets raped

And that's it. You've got a name, a look, and a setting. Technically there's a plot. But just a twinge. It's definitely not deep and not really substantive at all.

MDKB was pretty close to a nuki, but it apparently has too much plot and character to register. If websites like VNDB consider it legit, I'd say nuki must have practically nothing to qualify.
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:43 AM   #5487
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Disclaimer: the following is intended for adult audiences only.

Pretty much all ero-anime adaptations of eroge are akin to the X/1999 movie or the Unlimited Blade Works movie: incredibly, incredibly abridged. Some examples that come to mind where I've both played the game and seen the anime adaptation include the Kansen series ... and that's all I can say without digging myself into a hole. ^^; Anyway, point is, you shouldn't judge a game by its anime adaptation cover. The anime is pretty much always heavily abridged.

But I know what you're wanting to say. A game that might be considered a nukige would be anything where sex scenes are never more than five minutes away and the plot's pretty shallow. Games where there's "an actual story being told" and which take 20+ hours to beat don't fit the bill -- not even if they're pornographic.

TBH with you, though, I've never heard of the term nukige before. It probably derives from 抜く, which has a lot of sexual meanings, perhaps the most common of which is to pull out. I guess the idea is that the experience is so fast with a nukige that you're "already pulling out" in little time, done with what you came to do, as compared with a more story-based eroge where your goal is to not rush it. I dunno.
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Old 09-07-2013, 02:20 AM   #5488
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Well I decided to go ahead and start. Honestly, I don't think I'll be going very far. It's really REALLY lame. The main girl is this forced "quirky airhead", and the main guy is the usual "lazy guy". It has been a bunch of really bad attempts at humor so far. The voices sound like they put bags over the VAs' heads. Also the music sounds like elevator music. I guess this is what I should have expected from something licensed by JAST. Licensed VNs are hardly ever good!
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Old 09-07-2013, 08:32 PM   #5489
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I just watched the first half of The End of Evangelion and something happened to me that has never happened to me before.

I got physically nauseous. I won't go into detail, but an anime literally made me feel sick to my stomach. I've seen all sorts of horrible, terrible things, even in real life, that barely affected me. I've been horribly desensitized to gore and messed up stuff in general, and yet, a scene in the movie - an animated scene - made me feel like throwing up. And I still feel a bit nauseous even now.

I just... I can't explain it.
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Old 09-07-2013, 08:59 PM   #5490
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C'mon VGM...it's just blood, flesh, and semen.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:08 PM   #5491
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Just watched Monogatari 10. Felt a bit rushed, but another great arc nonetheless.

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Seeing Mayoi grown-up was a treat. Too bad the meeting was so short.

The scene where Araragi and Shinobu were walking together was sweet and sad... Though it kinda carried on too long into sappiness. ^^; Whereas the confrontation with Kiss-Shot seemed a little lackluster in comparison.

Still, it was a nice resolution. Loved the part where Mayoi mirrored Araragi' typical assault at the end too.


Hope the series can keep this up (unlike Nisemonogatari). Whole time I kept thinking I can't wait to see what the studio does with Kagepro. *shot*

(Incidentally, I did not know SHAFT head-tilts were a thing until now, but I won't say no to those either~)
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Old 09-07-2013, 10:17 PM   #5492
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I just watched the first half of The End of Evangelion and something happened to me that has never happened to me before.

I got physically nauseous. I won't go into detail, but an anime literally made me feel sick to my stomach. I've seen all sorts of horrible, terrible things, even in real life, that barely affected me. I've been horribly desensitized to gore and messed up stuff in general, and yet, a scene in the movie - an animated scene - made me feel like throwing up. And I still feel a bit nauseous even now.

I just... I can't explain it.
I'll make an educated guess as to which scene it was! :3

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The one where sub-Angels rip Asuka several new ones? I'll admit, I was slightly bothered by it at age 12, but after seeing it one time I'm completely unfazed by it. I'm way more bothered by the psychological stuff that's more present in the original TV-anime (such as when the term "mind-rape" was applied literally to Asuka in one episode).
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Yes. Seeing the Eva get ripped apart and then its guts torn out in VERY GRUESOME MANNERS and then showing that Asuka was feeling the exact pain - and then showing it get even FURTHER picked apart... it was just sickening.

In the end, I don't know how I feel about the movie or the ending. I have.... feelings about it. Not necessarily bad, but definitely not good ones either.
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Yes. Seeing the Eva get ripped apart and then its guts torn out in VERY GRUESOME MANNERS and then showing that Asuka was feeling the exact pain - and then showing it get even FURTHER picked apart... it was just sickening.

In the end, I don't know how I feel about the movie or the ending. I have.... feelings about it. Not necessarily bad, but definitely not good ones either.
So are you planning to watch the reboot films? You Are [Not] Alone and so on, which...kinda rewrite the whole story.

I think I made a post about at least one of those movies...
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TBH, for a series like Gin no Saji it's moreso something I probably wouldn't mind too badly? Since the show isn't so hung up on mystery and stuff so much as it is showcasing to us all of the neat stuff to do with farming (and now in TECHNICOLOR®! ) But I doubt I'll read ahead. ^^; Think I'd prefer to just keep watching with the show and enjoy the mild and pleasant surprises each week.

If you want to find a manga Talon has read ahead of the anime, you've got to find one where either he discovered it before discovering there was an anime (e.g. Genshiken) or else one where he didn't think there'd ever be any (more) anime (e.g. Rozen Maiden). I think those kind of sum up the situations where I read ahead of the anime. Meina's Owl ... Usagi Drop (back when I discovered it in stores, before there was any word of an anime) ... Yeah, if I discover the manga first, then I may read on even if an anime is announced.

But -- LOL -- even this strategy doesn't always pan out. For example, Genshiken Nidaime, where even though I'd read all of the original manga and the first three chapters of the sequel ... I ended up falling behind reading the sequel and then, when I heard the sequel was getting an anime, decided "Well I'll just wait for that instead! " (Spoiler: I may consider doing this with Rozen Maiden too. Although with Rozen Maiden it's not likely to be relevant for quite some time. ... wait, why am I laughing about that? )
Understandable. I wouldn't want to spoil anything regardless though, some stuff does happen that I doubt you would want to know earlier. It flows better not knowing (of course).
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So are you planning to watch the reboot films? You Are [Not] Alone and so on, which...kinda rewrite the whole story.

I think I made a post about at least one of those movies...
At some point, yeah, for sure. I briefly read some synopsis for them thinking they were just updated animation but remakes, but it looks like from what I saw the story, while the same at it's core, changes completely in terms of plot, which sort of threw me off, so I'm going to have to see them... especially since I read that the fourth movie will be a completely different ending than "The End of Evangelion" from beginning to end. THAT intrigues me.





In other news, I've been watching To Aru Kagaku no Railgun and it has been fairly decent so far. Some questionable moments... as in, ecchi ^_^; I'm really on a roll with that lately, feels like all the anime I've been checking out recently has just been full of that. Regardless though, this one is pretty tame about it - it's basically a point of comedy relief. It's also not overbearing nor is it in every episode, it's pretty spotty... but overall the premise is interesting enough to want me to keep watching.

Essentially, it's a superpower show. Set in an alternate Earth/future, just about any and everyone can develop some sort of superpower. The story follows four girls and their lives in the city as they learn to harness their powers and use them as part of a sort of citizen police force called "Judgment", whose task is to follow and subdue potentially dangerous criminals before the actual police arrive (more or less).

It's not anything groundbreaking or fantastic, but it's entertaining to say the least.
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In other news, I've been watching To Aru Kagaku no Railgun and it has been fairly decent so far. Some questionable moments... as in, ecchi ^_^; I'm really on a roll with that lately, feels like all the anime I've been checking out recently has just been full of that. Regardless though, this one is pretty tame about it - it's basically a point of comedy relief. It's also not overbearing nor is it in every episode, it's pretty spotty... but overall the premise is interesting enough to want me to keep watching.

Essentially, it's a superpower show. Set in an alternate Earth/future, just about any and everyone can develop some sort of superpower. The story follows four girls and their lives in the city as they learn to harness their powers and use them as part of a sort of citizen police force called "Judgment", whose task is to follow and subdue potentially dangerous criminals before the actual police arrive (more or less).

It's not anything groundbreaking or fantastic, but it's entertaining to say the least.
That's actually a spinoff to Toaru Majutsu no Index. Index is quite a bit better, since it's the main plot and all. You also learn more about Misaka in it than you really do in Railgun (not sure about the seasons after 1 though). It's just a shame JC turned season 2 into a bunch of harem crap. Index had a nice plot to it, so it sucks it got covered in filth.

I tried reading the Index LN, but it just felt amateurish, so it was difficult to stick with.
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That's actually a spinoff to Toaru Majutsu no Index. Index is quite a bit better, since it's the main plot and all. You also learn more about Misaka in it than you really do in Railgun (not sure about the seasons after 1 though). It's just a shame JC turned season 2 into a bunch of harem crap. Index had a nice plot to it, so it sucks it got covered in filth.

I tried reading the Index LN, but it just felt amateurish, so it was difficult to stick with.
Yeah, I wasn't sure which to watch first. I read Railgun was a prequel to Index, so I figured I'd watch it first. I also read Index was pretty meh, but you're telling me the opposite, so maybe I will give it a chance after all (though I probably was going to anyway).

Your description of the LN sounds exactly like Sword Art Online when I tried reading it. Just... cliched and nondescript bullcrap. Eugh.
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I don't have time to write about Monogatari episode 10 but that was absolutely my favourite episode of the series so far. Fucking beautiful.
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