06-25-2014, 10:18 PM | #2551 |
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I want to try to get Reqs because involvement but I'm too hilariously bad.
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06-25-2014, 11:29 PM | #2552 |
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Mega Medicham is actually quite scary.
Spoiler: show Mega Medicham is REALLY SCARY Spoiler: show Advice is of course welcome. This is my first team and I'm definitely hoping for advice here. Defog makes me angry.
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06-26-2014, 12:04 AM | #2553 |
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Shuckle is an interesting Webber, as it doesn't even require the Focus Sash that all others need. Obviously it gives up speed for that though.
As for Defog, there isn't all that much you can do. Taunt is the best way to stop it, other than flat out killing the pokemon with Defog. I approve of Scolipede - it's really quite great. EDIT: I haven't mentioned this before, but I find MegaMawile to be quite underwhelming. I've never been swept by one, and I always deal with them easily. MegaMawile may be seen as the most powerful of all the Huge Power/Pure Power pokemon, but frankly I'd take Azumarill or MegaMedicham any day. Last edited by Red Panda; 06-26-2014 at 12:16 AM. |
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My entire team basically revolves around either "give Mega Medicham all the attack" or "take out all the flying types/defoggers/spinners who are not slowed by Sticky Web to an appropriate level." My team is super weak to rocks though.
I'm thinking of maybe including something more threatening for Shuckle, though. I'm liking Toxic/Infestation when it works, but it's just too slow and doesn't work against Steels and Poisons who basically end up with a bunch of free turns to beat you up with the tradeoff that they can't do it with someone else. The general problem is that even though he is a defensive Pokemon, Shuckle dies quickly to pretty much anything - sweepers can overpower his low HP, and tanks can status him and far outlast him if they carry even 1 offensive move, especially if that move is Seismic Toss. I think I'm going to try something that isn't Toxic and see how that goes for me. I'll also switch out one of the mons, possibly Cofagrigus, for something a little more defensively scary - the sarcophagus really isn't walling as much as I'd like. I'm torn about Talonflame - he's doing an awesome job right now but my team really needs more bulk and less weakness to Rocks. I will say that it's really surprising when I pull out an early Talonflame - it's usually a late game sweeper so nobody expects me to use it like a battering ram to crash open the gates before I charge in with Mega Medicham. Ooh, and recommendations for Megacham? Ice Punch and Bullet Punch really aren't providing the coverage I need in this tier, being non-STAB and whatnot. (for battle 2, I now realize I should have swapped out very quickly for Thundurus in the battle against Latias - would have prevented Defog and Recover from being things. It's just a shame that you can't always predict a Defogger switch, because the instant you don't it's kill them quickly or get defogg'd.)
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06-26-2014, 10:40 AM | #2556 |
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I've run Power Split before, it's decent. I'm going for an actually defensive Shuckle though.
I want to use Shuckle for hazards, and Defog is making that difficult; I need an answer to Defog and it just isn't there. Contrary helps somewhat by offering a penalty for using Defog - the evasion boost can be scary if you abuse Defog - but there needs to be something Shuckle can do that makes it really bad for you to make his evasion higher.
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If such a thing existed, everyone would be using Shuckle and soon no one would bother using Defog anymore. Like any move or strategy, Defog's popularity in OU is a testament to the fact that it has few good "counters" and affords its user far more benefit than it does harm. I sympathize, as I myself am often questing for solutions to the OU features which annoy my team most. But what you're asking for, essentially, is a metagame upheaver.
As Defog is common on Talonflame, Mandibuzz, and some Skarmory, one thing you can do is add two Pokémon to your team who absolutely decimate these three threats. Since Talonflame is the wet paper bag of the trio, anything that doesn't mind incoming Flying and Fire attacks should suffice. Skarmory falls pretty damn easily to any special attacks he doesn't resist, and so focus should probably be placed primarily on Mandibuzz. Basically, you want someone who:
That stated, Empoleon and Gliscor also use Defog. And Heatran's not too crazy about those guys. So, I decided to see what people on Smogon were saying. This guy seems pretty confident in his answers, dated March 2014: Quote:
Come to think of it, though, if you're not already running Hippowdon, it may be something to consider since Shuckle would appreciate the boost to Special Defense that sand affords him.
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06-26-2014, 11:29 AM | #2558 |
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(Defog is illegal on Talonflame, actually)
Hippowdon looks like a really good bet, actually, if I swap out a couple things. I'm not crazy about getting rid of Scolipede as it can really help Medicham get all set up even in a really bad situation, but I can definitely replace Cofagrigus, Talonflame, and/or Thundurus with more Sandstorm-friendly pokeys. I was thinking maybe Espeon so that I can predict the Defogs and get her out there accordingly, but I'm not sure what I would want to do with her after that, or even if Magic Bounce can block Defog. Bah. I liked it better when all you had to do was run a Ghost type. Now you have to counter every Defogger instead of the move Defog. Maybe I'll just run Thunderbolt/Flamethrower/Dazzling Gleam on Sylveon and leave it at that. That takes care of everyone right?
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06-26-2014, 11:37 AM | #2559 |
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*groan + roll eyes* Smoooooooogoooooooon ...
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06-26-2014, 12:03 PM | #2560 |
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Defog clears all Hazards from the field, so even if you Magic Blunced to would still clear your Sticky Web.
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06-26-2014, 12:25 PM | #2561 | |
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You could run Zapdos + Heatran or something. They cover their weaknesses decently unless you fight something with Gravity. In which case you are in serious trouble. Specially Defensive Heatran should do well unless Latios has Earthquake. Mandibuzz: Beaten by Zapdos. Latios: Taken on fairly well by Heatran unless it has Earthquake. Latias: Beaten by Heatran? May be a stall war? Mega Scizor: Beaten by Heatran if it lacks Superpower. Heat Wave from Zapdos also works. Mew: Dealt with by Heatran. May be a stall war. Zapdos: You have a Zapdos of your own, and Heatran fares well, too. Togekiss: Zapdos wins. Empoleon: Zapdos wins. Gliscor: Hidden Power Ice from Zapdos wins? |
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Remember that my sweeper packs Ice Punch and, if you have a stall team, will almost certainly be operating at +2 speed and +2 attack, possibly higher if you mismanage yourself.
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Does someone want to tell me how on earth Banette failed to do more than 94% HP damage to Jynx? (Random Battle)
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06-26-2014, 01:35 PM | #2564 |
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You may have forgotten to do EVs and natures. I remember you doing that on more than one occasion. Go check in teambuilder.
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06-26-2014, 01:38 PM | #2565 |
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It's like he didn't even read the post. :'D
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06-26-2014, 01:46 PM | #2566 |
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88 Atk Banette Shadow Sneak vs. 4 HP / 88 Def Jynx: 152-180 (64.6 - 76.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (calced w/ Banette @ lvl 82 & Jynx @ lvl 86)
what I calced wasnt 100% accurate, obviously, but it has to do with the fact that Jynx was at a higher level than Banette. Its part of the reason why randbats are the way they are. Lower Level = less damage |
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The leeeeeeeeevel. That'd be it.
And please. Don't lecture me on RandBats when I've laddered higher than you ever have.
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06-26-2014, 02:36 PM | #2568 |
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I wasnt lecturing you... ik ur probably 1000x better than me at randbats.
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06-26-2014, 02:46 PM | #2569 |
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Sorry if that came across as snippy. And thanks again for catching the oversight. I'm still surprised though that Jynx didn't die in one hit, but it looks like it was just a perfect storm of all the little factors that go into making Random Battle different from OU.
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06-26-2014, 03:29 PM | #2570 |
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Trying out some UU
So with all the RU, OU, and Randbats I've been doing, I figured giving UU a shot wouldn't be horrible. I immediately knew I wanted Sticky Web, as it allows for me to play with some pokemon that are on the slower side. It's mostly HO with Florges as an all-purpose Cleric and Sponge. Entei is pretty great with a set of Sacred Fire/Extremespeed/Stone Edge/Iron Head. Once Krookodile gets going he can be very difficult to take down. Porygon-Z hits like a truck (the day they give him Boomburst...). I've been tempted and really want to try using a Swords Dance set for Empoleon (Earthquake/Drill Peck/Waterfall) but I'm afraid that it would have lackluster results, so right now I have it as a bulky special sweeper, and it's good. It can take down most all dragons (even Kingdra) with little trouble. |
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>it was a random battle
OH I THOUGHT IT WAS UU I DIDN'T EVEN QUESTION IT WTF
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06-27-2014, 12:12 PM | #2573 |
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200+ turns and only 1 pokemon KOed.
A challenger of our league, even though he is an old member, E4 battle. His stall team vs my steels. Latios' Draco Meteor is what broke the balance. But man, that took forever.
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> King's Shield
Ahahaha what crack was Gamefreak smoking when it invented this. |
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