05-11-2021, 02:11 PM | #26 |
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A little "consolation prize" would be kinda nice, since the other discouraging factor is if I don't manage to make the minimum five then what I've done feels like it doesn't "count" for much since the slate gets wiped clean.
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05-11-2021, 02:11 PM | #27 |
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Hmm, maybe candies or gummis on that front Emi? A consolation prize def would be a good incentive for peeps.
Also, some potential name changes for the current tiers: Pyukumuku's Pals, Corsola's Comrades, Finneon's Friends, etc etc
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05-11-2021, 02:15 PM | #28 |
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I think we should stick with something really general/universal like GG suggested, to avoid any personal associations that could potentially run into problems down the line.
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05-11-2021, 02:23 PM | #29 |
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Yeah, that's completely fair. I was thinking of water pokemon primarily because Fizzy Bubbles was originally a Water Pokemon RP, and it fit. Pyukumuku I def want for one of the tiers, since it is our current mascot Pokemon, but yeah we should try to avoid names/Pokemon that are heavily associated with a person as well.
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I much like the idea of having the Staff tiers being renamed either into Trainer classes ( as we do have a lot of them ) or unique creative tier names that are neutral and not heavily associated with a Pokémon OR person as... well I can see how some pokemon can be tied to some people, in both good and bad ways and I would rather not touch that at all.
Pyukumuku is the one I would spare from this as it is the mascot. As for SO/ZU rewarding, Both should have equal access to things on the Staff ladder, but I do agree that updators should be given a nice consolation prize and more should they go above and beyond. Basically, my thoughts on this are as such, the tier 1 rewards should be a given, while the more you update the more rewards/juicer the rewards should be. Quote:
For managing to at least get 1 update out You get a pretty damn nice choice to get 5 rare Candies OR an Enigma Egg OR a TM/TR PLUS a nice bonus of some form of currency ( IE. Cash additional or Yummi/Mysterious Gummi bonus of a set amount ) This allows Tier 1 one to be; Type Egg of choice OR Silver Umbra Along WITH a TM/TR of choice ( like two of your pick ) and or an addition of a currency such as 10 candies etc. Allowing for Tier 2 rewards to be nice and juicy for that hard work put in like Zone Eggs and whatever else that could be proposed along with the option. This way I feel that you get some nice rewards that are defs worth the effort put in for managing to get a reasonable update that meets the new minimum of 200 words or more if you choose, while still rewarding for those who can / manage to do more. Personally, as someone who had a burnout session who couldn't motivate to even get one update out, this feels pretty damn nice for gathering up the energy to attempt to get the update for your updatee out. BUT I do understand that this could be tweaked and adjusted upon to be just and fair. I just wanted to throw this out there in regards to Bi-Monthlies. In terms of FC earnings, I feel that Shops that get Monthly Updates such as the Bank and Candy shop are good as they are with 10 FC per update, but Daily/Weekly shop updates should get a bump as well from more than 1 FC, Perhaps Daily could stay at one for things like Department updates confirming since shops that are purchase and confirm are random and could scale pretty quickly or go rather slow based on the overall activity of FB, while Weekly updates with things as the MT/Daycare getting a 2 FC per update of the said shop since they are pretty consistent and you can almost always count on them getting updated should one person use the shop. Updating also requires a bit more of an edge, so I am fine with something along the lines of 3 FC per update and then 5 per adventure finish. This going hand in hand with the Bimonthlies proposal I made above feel like a great way to entice more updating AND reward people pretty fairly, while still acknowledging shop keepers reasonably. AS for actual FC tier rewards....... well I've got nothing at the moment. Spare mentioning previously brought up things Such as Custom Ability patches with unique properties brought up in unique ways by both MM and Slash These proposals would fit in with being discussed and scrutinized here along with the thread on abilities.
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05-13-2021, 08:27 AM | #33 |
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Tbh I'm of the opinion that Silver Umbras and Shiny Sprays (+ other "higher-quality" items) should be/remain a lot rarer - if not reserved for Updators only - but I might be in the minority here. At least I think they should stay at a Tier 2 Level for Bimonthlies. (Again no comment on Zone Eggs.)
Likewise, I don't think we need to increase FC gains for SOs any more, since the issue I see is with how easily their earnings stack as opposed to Updators when comparing the relative amount of work put in.
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05-13-2021, 01:29 PM | #34 |
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So, since Type Eggs and Zone Eggs are meant to be alternatives of each other, they should realistically be on the same tier. Silver Umbras I feel should move down. They are a heavy motivator for people, being pretty much updater exclusive right now sans a super, super rare drop from the Cram Shop. I get people wanting something updater exclusive. Though I would prefer if something new was created it wasn't a tangible item. Whenever new items are added I do need to insert it into Cram.
As for the consolation prize, I feel like it needs to be at least 3 updates minimum. People shouldn't have to wait a year or so to complete a short adventure, so having at least a little bit of motivation to hit that criteria should be required. If it was 1 or 2, people would only get an update about once or twice in a bi-monthly period, and well that isn't something we want to promote. As for renaming the tiers... We have about 4 tiers right now. I want to propose: Tier 2 renamed to Fizzy Office Worker Tier 3 renamed to Fizzy Ace Trainer Tier 4 renamed to Pyukumuku's Pal with any tiers above that be submitted to the community for approval. Thoughts?
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05-13-2021, 04:00 PM | #35 |
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I think those are fine. I don't think tiers should be limited to trainer classes (let's be real, it's boring as shit) but as long as new tiers are put towards the community it should be okay.
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Fine with the Tier name changes, as well as three Updates minimum in a Bimonthly period to qualify for the "consolation prize".
I do think Enigma Eggs should be a step below Type and/or Zone Eggs, on the regular Rewards ladder as well.
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05-13-2021, 06:22 PM | #37 |
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Alright, let me compile what's been said and do some proposals. Do still want input from other active updaters before pushing things to live through, but here is what I feel will be fine for now.
For an updated ladder: Spoiler: show Edits to the ladder so that more rewards become available as you start climbing the ladder, with full rewards starting at the 150 FC Bracket. For Bi-Monthlies: 3 Updates: 3 Rare Candies or 2 Mysterious Gummis 5 Updates: 5 Rare Candies or 1 TM/TR or 1 Enigma Egg or 1 Silver Umbra Coin 10 Updates: 1 Heart Scale or 1 Type Egg or 1 Zone Egg or 1 Shiny Spray Moved SUC down since it is something that would be a lot more motivating for certain updates. Type Eggs and Zone Eggs are counterparts so they need to be in the same tier. For the consolation tier, I put candies or gummis since they feel most like a consolation prize. For Tier Names: Tier 2 renamed to Fizzy Office Worker Tier 3 renamed to Fizzy Ace Trainer Tier 4 renamed to Pyukumuku's Pal Tiers 5 and onwards, for when somebody reaches that point (1500 FC omg) the staff member will propose a name to the community and then have the community approve on it. For FC Gains: Candy Shop Updates 5 -> 10 Weekly Shop Updates 1 -> 2 Role Play Updates (Zone/Shop) [200 Words Minimum] 1 -> 2 Making the Candy Shop more in line with the Pokebank, since they weren't actually the same amount of FC. Increasing the FC gains overall by one, not only to encourage shop roleplay again but also to allow both shop owners and updates to help move through the ladder faster. Raid Host FC will stay at 5 since Gym Leaders already enjoy some nice other benefits. This isn't an official proposal from the mods, this is just my collecting the thoughts of the thread and presenting my ideas. As I said, I want input from the rest of the active updaters/SOs.
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05-13-2021, 07:05 PM | #38 |
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I'd kinda prefer to see Type Eggs distributed consistently throughout the ladder
Would like to hear thoughts from others - both staff and non-staff - as well, since obviously I can't speak for everyone. My main interest is really in finding out what would most motivate people who currently aren't Updating to give it a try.
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05-14-2021, 09:55 AM | #39 |
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Something that I think would be good to consider is to intensify the amount of Pokedollars gained per FC every tier. So something like 250 - 300 - 350 or 250 - 350 - 450. Not only do I think that might help people want to continue to progress, but I also think that it brings the money gain more in line with how we have changed replies.
In addition, increasing the Rare Candy / Mysterious Gummi / Pokedollar rewards every couple of tiers can be considered too. As it stands those are the only tiers that don't change much over the course of the ladder. And of course, would like to reiterate that maybe having small mini-grand prizes at 100 FC and 200 FC would also be a good idea. As it stands, Shiny Sprays and Umbra Coins only have a set value for a lot of players. They're only going to use so many over the course of their time. I think it's good that they are accessible, but offering some additional diversity would also be a good idea.
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05-14-2021, 11:34 AM | #41 |
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I think the idea to increasing cash amounts is a good idea. As it stands all tiers give you $3000 as you pass through them. If we are to increase the amounts though, it shouldn't mean you have a massive net loss once you're in the 250-300 tier.
AS for Candy/Gummy increase, I think that might be a little more controversial and want a lot more input on that. I think adding something for 100 or 150 might work, but with all the incremental additions already I don't feel it is necessarily needed. Besides, I can't really think of anything else to add there that isn't covered somewhere else in the ladder tbch.
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On the assumption we will definitely be implementing them, Ability Capsules strike me as something that is simultaneously desirable enough but not notably economy shifting that we could easily slot them in as the mini-grands that Emi proposed. Alternatively we could consider early Zone/Type Eggs but I'm a bit more wary of that.
I think upping the Pokedollar gain across the board will only be a good idea. Gaining money in general seems to be something that is at an awkward place right now - I know I regularly find myself triple guessing whether spending on, say, Move Tutors is worthwhile just because of how inconsistent the current gaining rate is. I actually think this could become a big incentive force for that reason specifically. Raising the Candy/Gummi pay-out may be a little more controversial. I think it'd probably be best to make a Discord announcement linking a post specifically outlining pros and cons. Obviously it would make updating far more worthwhile, but I also have reservations that it'd inflate the bidding power of staff members too far beyond that of normal members, and while there's an argument that isn't a deal breaker I do think it could breed misgivings among people who would like to update but struggle to work it into their schedule. Other than that I'm not sure I have much else constructive to add. Ultimately I think any alterations should be given something like a 3 month trial period - see if it works out, if it suddenly upends the balance of the economy we have going. If it does, then we can just table another discussion.
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Okay so I'm firmly of the opinion that we do need to make 'mon available for updators on a bi-monthly basis even if they hit lowest tier, so...
3 Updates: 3 Rare Candies or 2 Mysterious Gummis or 1 Enigma Egg or 1 Silver Umbra Coin 5 Updates: 5 Rare Candies or 1 TM/TR or 1 Ability Capsule or 1 Type Egg or 1 Zone Egg 10 Updates: 1 Heart Scale or 1 Shiny Spray or 1 Starter Egg or 1 Fossil Egg Those last two things have existed in the past and would really help push the ongoing idea of rarities are a false concept of old FB, allowing them to become more widespread. I also have a lot of thoughts on the rewards ladder and will have a separate post on that later. |
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Oh wait I thought it was referring to Patches, nm. (Though in that case I'm not sure it's worth it either when it's easily purchasable at the Dept. Store.)
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05-26-2021, 08:25 PM | #49 |
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I feel it's fine to include both of those in tier 5. It allows people an alternative method that doesn't cost Watts/Pokedollars. Of course, there are more lucrative things here but it is still a nice alternative.
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