02-21-2013, 03:43 PM | #26 |
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I guess that they'll just make him want to improve as a trainer again after his seizure.
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02-21-2013, 05:32 PM | #27 |
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There was the Johto/Sinnoh Frontier. They could have him take a short detour to Johto and do the challenge on his way back to Kanto. Then he goes home to Pallet and finds out about the new region and goes there.
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02-21-2013, 05:40 PM | #28 |
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Except that he did the Battle Frontier in Kanto. The Johto one wasn't different enough to warrant it, I guess.
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02-22-2013, 05:44 AM | #29 | |
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02-22-2013, 10:16 AM | #30 |
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There aren't many cases of any serialized television show getting a reboot or a "spinoff" as you put it but with all new characters while the first show is still airing. Cheers had a spinoff in Frasier, but that used several pre-existing Cheers characters (Frasier and Lilith). Friends had a spinoff in Joey but not only did that use a pre-existing character, it also waited for the original to end first. Pinky and the Brain got their own series spun off of Animaniacs while it was still airing, but that too used pre-existing characters from the parent franchise.
To put it another way, we can consider many of the examples where a franchise had a long-running television series and no reboot nor "spinoff but with all-new characters" aired at the same time. DragonBall. Naruto. Bleach. Doctor Who. Battlestar Galactica. 24. Lost. The X-Files. Garfield & Friends. DuckTales. On and on we could go. Some of these had spinoffs but with preexisting characters (like Darkwing Duck from DuckTales), others were reboots but didn't happen until after the original finished airing (BSG, Doctor Who with respect to its various series). And many just plain never got any do-overs or spinoffs (like Naruto or Bleach). The only example I can think of that fits your criteria would be Star Trek: Voyager as its main crew were 100% new characters and it started airing while its predecessor, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, was still on the air. It took us somewhere completely new while still being recognizably "Star Trek" on the surface. And even that series still had cameos from characters or civilizations in previous Star Treks. But I suppose you could say none of what I've said really answers your question. Why don't they do a Pokémon reboot or a Pokémon "spinoff" series with all new characters in an all-new region. (Can you really call that a spinoff? ^^; ) I suppose there are several reasons. First, Nintendo wants to protect their intellectual property. That means trusting as few parties with the rights to do stuff with it as possible. They're afraid that the more people they allow to play around with those properties, the greater the risk of the IPs losing their value. Second, Nintendo may see a second Pokémon series with a stand-alone plot animated by a separate studio as unhealthy rather than healthy competition with their first or main series. If this is the case, I don't think it's very perceptive of Nintendo given the large demand from fans who have long since grown up for a more realistic, better animated, adult series for adults, and the overlap there with the anything-goes super-cartoon-physics lighthearted kids show is marginal. But that doesn't mean the fear isn't there. Third, it's quite possible that most animation studios are turned off by Nintendo's terms in any negotiated contracts. Perhaps the cost for the license is far too high. Perhaps Nintendo stipulates that come Hell or high water the studio has to get x many episodes out each year. Perhaps Nintendo wants their own insider to be the chief storyboard writer who gets final say over everything plot-related. Perhaps they demand that the mascot character be a currently-popular Pokémon. On and on the list goes. It may just so happen that ShoPro, way back when in 1997 or whenever, offered Nintendo the most generous terms (out of desperation to get the license) and Nintendo now wants these same terms out of any other suitors. I could keep going, but I think these three examples are enough to illustrate why we may not have gotten to have another studio take a crack at the Pokémon universe.
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02-22-2013, 10:20 AM | #31 |
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Didn't DS9 and TNG have a one-season overlap as well? I'm sure that DS9 started airing during TNG's final season.
Wasn't there that Pokémon Chronicles that was terrible and didn't really go anywhere? It would've been nice if that got picked up. Hell, even one about prior companions like May or Dawn would have been good (seeing how May should have been the chuffing main character during Hoenn in the first place).
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02-22-2013, 10:29 AM | #33 |
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Ah, fair enough. Misinterpreted what you meant with the 'all-new characters' thing.
As said, I'd rather see a spinoff with existing characters, which seems to be a formula that works well. Torchwood springs to mind. |
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Personally, what I most want to see when it comes to this discussion topic (and have wanted to see for many years now) is a Kanto reboot that is game-faithful and written for a young adult audience. Spoiler: show And what I really most want to see, more than anything else, be it in anime form, game form, whatever, is a franchise reboot that takes humans out of the equation. I want to see a Kanto-style league challenge ... but instead of it being a human child who rounds up six magical animals and barks "DODGE!" at them, I instead want it to be a band of brothers who coalesce around a shared dream or goal. They themselves train, like martial artists in the real world. They themselves come up with their strategies. They themselves adventure. No humans. No PokéBalls. Just a group of friends (that caps at anywhere from five to seven) who are aiming for the top.
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02-22-2013, 01:24 PM | #36 |
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Sounds more like Dragonball but with Pokémon instead of martial art schools to me.
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Pokémon Conquest, no, that had humans. And Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, not quite either, but close. Like I said, what I want is the Kanto story (and closer to the game's than to the first anime's) but with humans completely removed from the equation. Rather than capturing new teammates, you're recruiting them. Think of it like Journey to the West. Or Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Or any tale where the protagonist starts off on his own but bit by bit he recruits the team members who will become his second (or in some cases his first) family. There are no more PokéBalls. The fighting done by the various team members is now a lot more like "magical martial arts" than it is generic chess. (In this sense, you can find an easy comparison in Avatar: the Last Airbender where real-life martial arts styles were combined with one each of the four Aristotelian elements to produce an in-universe martial art.) The team, as a team, challenges gyms/dojos/whatever to collect badges. The badges are shared by the team. A team that collects eight badges gets to compete in the league tournament held once yearly. And the winner of that tournament gets an invitation to challenge the top squads in the land, the Elite Four. Defeat them and you earn the right to challenge the sitting Champion. Defeat them and your team is now the new Champion team in all the land.
Saying that what I want is "a Pokémon Mystery Dungeon anime" is close but is not precisely what I want. (I'd like that separately, sure! But that's not what I am talking about here.) PMD doesn't have a league system. PMD isn't focused on martial arts / combat prowess. PMD is basically "Pokémon rescue rangers / firefighters", which is but one focus of a Pokémon world without humans. Also, squads are really limited in size in the PMD games. Also, to date, PMD games have had the heroes anchored to a specific geographical location -- Treasure Town, for example -- whereas what I want is a journey that actually takes our heroes around the world, or at the very least throughout the nation, as they pick up new team members, learn new arts, and so on. You would probably be very, very close to the mark if you said "what Talon wants is PMD meets Avatar: the Last Airbender." That would be very, very close to summing up what it is that I want in as few words as possible.
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02-22-2013, 01:39 PM | #38 |
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Wouldn't that just be a Pokemon version of Final Fantasy, plus Pokemon League stuff?
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02-22-2013, 02:07 PM | #39 |
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I have the sudden and depressing urge to write a fanfic now.
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So, you take Wartortle, Shuckle, Grotle, Torkoal and Raticate and have them go adventuring?
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The trailer for this summer's movie is out now. Don't click it if you don't want to see spoilers regarding the anime. Don't watch past 1m20s (I mean it, it happens real soon after that) if you don't want to be spoiled on something I think we've all unfortunately been spoiled on already regarding Gen 6. ^^; (Hint: it was a spoiler from February.)
Anime spoilers inside but no Gen 6 spoilers: Spoiler: show Gen 6 spoilers: Spoiler: show
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Anime spoilers:
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Not saying you're wrong as to what their thinking might be, but the problem with that answer is,
Spoiler: show The other problem with your answer is ^^; ... Spoiler: show
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03-08-2013, 05:57 AM | #46 |
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But Oshawott is so very terrible.
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03-08-2013, 10:45 AM | #47 |
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Watch the series first, then come back to us. Oshawott is the single best-written Ashmon since his Chikorita over ten years ago. He's single-handedly the reason so many people, self included, went from hating the Pokémon (that terrible design! >_<) to loving it, and is easily the fan favorite of Unova, with Ash's Snivy, Ash's Krookodile, and Iris's Emolga fighting over 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places and with everyone else in a distant 5th place and beyond.
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See clearly I have outgrown the series because I think those pokemon are pretty shite. Oshawott has the virtue that is less irritating than Piplup and Torchic.
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Chikorita was well-written period, I don't know what you're talking about. I loved her in 2000, most fans loved her in 2000, I love her still in 2013, and most fans consider her the best developed Johtomon to this day. Hindsight has got nothing to do with it. Maybe for you it does, but that makes you weird. You weirdo.
As for Oshawott, Snivy, Krookodile, and Emolga ... "there's no accounting for taste." Not really sure how you can rationalize hating the four single most developed Pokémon with unique personalities that pass the RedLetterMedia test, but that's life for you. Opinions: people have 'em.
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Talon, why do you think they nerfed Ash even more in Unova, in general?
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