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Old 06-09-2013, 10:03 AM   #501
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I am making an OU team right now, and I'd like advice.

So far, I have Gardevoir, Mamoswine, Gyarados, and Breloom. Should I change anything? What else should I add? I also don't have a 4th move for Mamoswine.
How do you only have three moves on Mamoswine?
  • Earthquake
  • Ice Shard
  • Icicle Crash
  • Stone Edge
  • Superpower
  • Stealth Rock
I find myself frequently, frequently wishing that I at least had these six moves. Six moves. And yet somehow you have only three.

You don't have to have Alakazam if you don't like. Blaze was a bit disingenuous eager there. He's great, no doubt about it, but he's not a must-have. There are loads of excellent checks to a Keldeo for you to consider. (And to be perfectly honest, Gyarados isn't too bad of one and you already have him. Resists both STABs, can DD it up, may frighten away with Bounce, etc.)

As Blaze notes, your list of four is physical attacker-heavy, so special attackers or other roles would be things to consider before adding any more physical dudes. Assuming you want to keep the four you listed, you're really not hurting weaknesses-wise (good!), so I'll recommend a Steel type to offer some additional resistance to Dragon spam (and immunity to Toxic). Shop around and pick one you like. Skarmory could be helpful (as a hazards layer-down), and would free up Mamoswine to not have to run Stealth Rock. He might also invite special Electric or special Fire attacks, for each of which you have good switch-ins (Mamoswine and Gyarados). If you don't like the steel turkey, there's always Metagross, Jirachi, Forretress, Ferrothorn, Bronzong, a long list of good Steel types.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:14 AM   #502
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How do you only have three moves on Mamoswine?
  • Earthquake
  • Ice Shard
  • Icicle Crash
  • Stone Edge
  • Superpower
  • Stealth Rock
I find myself frequently, frequently wishing that I at least had these six moves. Six moves. And yet somehow you have only three.
Yeah, I know. At least if it's Choice scarf it's easier, cause Stealth Rock is stupid and there really is no need for Ice Shard unless you are THAT scared of Salamence. If we knew that he was going for, it would be easier to figure out. inb4EarthPower and Ice Beam

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You don't have to have Alakazam if you don't like. Blaze was a bit disingenuous eager there. He's great, no doubt about it, but he's not a must-have. There are loads of excellent checks to a Keldeo for you to consider. (And to be perfectly honest, Gyarados isn't too bad of one and you already have him. Resists both STABs, can DD it up, may frighten away with Bounce, etc.)
Honestly, I would have suggested Landorus instead of Alakazam because Lando hits like 6 nukes in one package, but some people don't use legends(like yourself Mr. Jirachi :P ) so I refrained from it. Alakazam is probably one of the best non-legend special attackers, mostly because you can never OHKO the thing with Focus Sash(Cloyster and Breloom excepted, but you never switch them in unless they run Sash too.)

It's hard to think of any others that I have used. Gothitelle is pretty good because of Shadow Tag, it's just the lack of reliable recovery is so annoying. >.> The thing is I need to know how this team is built and what you want to guard against. That is the only way I can make serious suggestions....

As Blaze notes, your list of four is physical attacker-heavy, so special attackers or other roles would be things to consider before adding any more physical dudes. Assuming you want to keep the four you listed, you're really not hurting weaknesses-wise (good!), so I'll recommend a Steel type to offer some additional resistance to Dragon spam (and immunity to Toxic). Shop around and pick one you like. Skarmory could be helpful (as a hazards layer-down), and would free up Mamoswine to not have to run Stealth Rock. He might also invite special Electric or special Fire attacks, for each of which you have good switch-ins (Mamoswine and Gyarados). If you don't like the steel turkey, there's always Metagross, Jirachi, Forretress, Ferrothorn, Bronzong, a long list of good Steel types.[/QUOTE]

>Metagross

Holding back to laughter. jk Metagross is like the Infernape of Steel types. It really hates weather.

Also, is the only legend you suggested Jirachi? Oh you! Bronzong isn't bad, it just can't do much other than set up Rocks, Screens, or Trick Room. Anything after that and it has trouble. Skarmory is seriously good if you know how to play it.

But like I said:

What is the goal of this team?

Is it HO, balance, random shit? Too difficult to make suggestions when I don't know what I'm dealing with.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:36 AM   #503
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Dude, every time you laugh about Metagross, you just sound like a huge moron.* I'm just telling you, because if nobody does, you're going to keep making a total ass of yourself like this. Just because Metagross is not as popular in Gen 5 as he was in Gens 3 and 4 doesn't mean some huge metagame shift occurred which rendered him horseshit. Metagross is still a great Pokémon, with both the stats and the moves to back it up. Part of what makes him so good, too, is the sheer volume of legitimate movesets he can run. Choice Band, Choice Scarf, Agility sets, utility sets ... physically offensive, specially offensive, mixed offensive, defensive ... Metagross is a great wild card. Even when you see it in Team Preview, you can't be certain right off the bat whether he's intended as that particular team's late game sweeper or whether he's intended as a revenge killer or mid-game wall breaker.

* Smogon usage stats for May 2013, since I know you love your precious Smogon usage stats so, so much:

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Total battles: 1072542
 Avg. weight/team: 0.348
 + ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | Rank | Pokemon            | Usage %   | Raw    | %       | Real   | %       | 
 + ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | 1    | Scizor             | 23.48928% | 374397 | 17.454% | 298017 | 17.243% | 
 | 2    | Ferrothorn         | 19.98081% | 354342 | 16.519% | 306123 | 17.712% | 
 | 3    | Politoed           | 18.90903% | 300511 | 14.009% | 276091 | 15.975% | 
 | 4    | Dragonite          | 17.23408% | 347029 | 16.178% | 271947 | 15.735% | 
 | 5    | Heatran            | 16.58880% | 250528 | 11.679% | 205769 | 11.906% | 
 | 6    | Jirachi            | 15.41532% | 227436 | 10.603% | 186963 | 10.818% | 
 | 7    | Tyranitar          | 15.18391% | 257283 | 11.994% | 221567 | 12.820% | 
 | 8    | Latios             | 14.47189% | 208898 |  9.738% | 164703 |  9.530% | 
 | 9    | Breloom            | 13.40895% | 253146 | 11.801% | 200615 | 11.608% | 
 | 10   | Garchomp           | 13.22152% | 257587 | 12.008% | 202775 | 11.733% | 
 | 11   | Rotom-Wash         | 13.03935% | 185018 |  8.625% | 161061 |  9.319% | 
 | 12   | Keldeo             | 12.84062% | 163885 |  7.640% | 126882 |  7.341% | 
 | 13   | Starmie            | 12.75272% | 223311 | 10.410% | 175909 | 10.178% | 
 | 14   | Terrakion          | 11.88172% | 157387 |  7.337% | 117845 |  6.819% | 
 | 15   | Alakazam           | 10.51313% | 227423 | 10.602% | 173879 | 10.061% | 
 | 16   | Gengar             |  9.90724% | 259933 | 12.118% | 204564 | 11.836% | 
 | 17   | Landorus-Therian   |  9.88853% | 114593 |  5.342% | 98844  |  5.719% | 
 | 18   | Celebi             |  9.84926% | 137342 |  6.403% | 112245 |  6.495% | 
 | 19   | Ninetales          |  9.77555% | 206788 |  9.640% | 188103 | 10.884% | 
 | 20   | Skarmory           |  9.72898% | 173698 |  8.097% | 150958 |  8.735% | 
 | 21   | Salamence          |  9.72885% | 223046 | 10.398% | 170252 |  9.851% | 
 | 22   | Forretress         |  9.57392% | 178168 |  8.306% | 154856 |  8.960% | 
 | 23   | Volcarona          |  9.18603% | 209320 |  9.758% | 160995 |  9.315% | 
 | 24   | Gliscor            |  8.90006% | 218164 | 10.170% | 172657 |  9.990% | 
 | 25   | Tentacruel         |  8.72307% | 143527 |  6.691% | 114165 |  6.606% | 
 | 26   | Jellicent          |  8.49251% | 132557 |  6.180% | 109519 |  6.337% | 
 | 27   | Mamoswine          |  8.40807% | 126194 |  5.883% | 101488 |  5.872% | 
 | 28   | Landorus           |  8.37818% | 99112  |  4.620% | 77278  |  4.471% | 
 | 29   | Thundurus-Therian  |  7.90645% | 125252 |  5.839% | 98812  |  5.717% | 
 | 30   | Gyarados           |  7.16588% | 156141 |  7.279% | 125017 |  7.234% | 
 | 31   | Espeon             |  7.10869% | 187381 |  8.735% | 146276 |  8.464% | 
 | 32   | Latias             |  6.95563% | 100123 |  4.668% | 77804  |  4.502% | 
 | 33   | Venusaur           |  6.85608% | 150759 |  7.028% | 116642 |  6.749% | 
 | 34   | Infernape          |  6.84979% | 181214 |  8.448% | 146421 |  8.472% | 
 | 35   | Magnezone          |  6.70289% | 112530 |  5.246% | 90038  |  5.210% | 
 | 36   | Donphan            |  6.56819% | 111487 |  5.197% | 94016  |  5.440% | 
 | 37   | Jolteon            |  6.53479% | 163547 |  7.624% | 131722 |  7.622% | 
 | 38   | Lucario            |  6.31159% | 147175 |  6.861% | 114857 |  6.646% | 
 | 39   | Cloyster           |  6.27523% | 222173 | 10.357% | 173834 | 10.058% | 
 | 40   | Conkeldurr         |  6.18256% | 125361 |  5.844% | 100313 |  5.804% | 
 | 41   | Kyurem-Black       |  5.86561% | 104488 |  4.871% | 80293  |  4.646% | 
 | 42   | Hydreigon          |  5.42458% | 146210 |  6.816% | 114600 |  6.631% | 
 | 43   | Blissey            |  5.07642% | 157399 |  7.338% | 121260 |  7.016% | 
 | 44   | Vaporeon           |  4.95638% | 121569 |  5.667% | 96226  |  5.568% | 
 | 45   | Hippowdon          |  4.89209% | 74552  |  3.475% | 67167  |  3.886% | 
 | 46   | Toxicroak          |  4.79526% | 104338 |  4.864% | 80313  |  4.647% | 
 | 47   | Dugtrio            |  4.78263% | 77649  |  3.620% | 62204  |  3.599% | 
 | 48   | Gastrodon          |  4.39748% | 76650  |  3.573% | 62620  |  3.623% | 
 | 49   | Metagross          |  4.29466% | 137071 |  6.390% | 111183 |  6.433% | 
 | 50   | Reuniclus          |  4.18910% | 75558  |  3.522% | 58573  |  3.389% | 
 | 51   | Haxorus            |  3.56976% | 96680  |  4.507% | 73397  |  4.247% | 
 | 52   | Tornadus           |  3.18766% | 40692  |  1.897% | 31759  |  1.838% | 
 | 53   | Victini            |  3.07917% | 58258  |  2.716% | 46415  |  2.686% | 
 | 54   | Weavile            |  2.77081% | 68621  |  3.199% | 54535  |  3.155% | 
 | 55   | Sableye            |  2.49856% | 61160  |  2.851% | 52086  |  3.014% | 
 | 56   | Chansey            |  2.34799% | 45166  |  2.106% | 35720  |  2.067% | 
 | 57   | Abomasnow          |  2.27125% | 44751  |  2.086% | 40548  |  2.346% | 
 | 58   | Kingdra            |  2.23284% | 56006  |  2.611% | 44622  |  2.582% | 
 | 59   | Bronzong           |  2.08721% | 39293  |  1.832% | 34367  |  1.988% | 
 | 60   | Chandelure         |  1.98612% | 65692  |  3.062% | 52366  |  3.030% | 
 | 61   | Gothitelle         |  1.80164% | 25584  |  1.193% | 21026  |  1.217% | 
 | 62   | Mew                |  1.79442% | 43980  |  2.050% | 37401  |  2.164% | 
 | 63   | Stoutland          |  1.76867% | 21522  |  1.003% | 16299  |  0.943% | 
 | 64   | Machamp            |  1.67492% | 47108  |  2.196% | 39836  |  2.305% | 
 | 65   | Slowbro            |  1.64857% | 28649  |  1.336% | 23320  |  1.349% | 
 | 66   | Porygon2           |  1.58839% | 30222  |  1.409% | 24498  |  1.417% | 
 | 67   | Togekiss           |  1.56557% | 55098  |  2.569% | 43599  |  2.523% | 
 | 68   | Wobbuffet          |  1.55723% | 32020  |  1.493% | 26635  |  1.541% | 
 | 69   | Arcanine           |  1.54601% | 66783  |  3.113% | 54439  |  3.150% | 
 | 70   | Staraptor          |  1.51050% | 38519  |  1.796% | 31187  |  1.805% | 
 | 71   | Smeargle           |  1.50954% | 48855  |  2.278% | 41802  |  2.419% | 
 | 72   | Darmanitan         |  1.50390% | 41093  |  1.916% | 32535  |  1.882% | 
 | 73   | Xatu               |  1.49360% | 22428  |  1.046% | 18385  |  1.064% | 
 | 74   | Cresselia          |  1.46420% | 26285  |  1.225% | 21226  |  1.228% | 
 | 75   | Ditto              |  1.44107% | 36146  |  1.685% | 27924  |  1.616% | 
 | 76   | Zapdos             |  1.43662% | 35042  |  1.634% | 28566  |  1.653% | 
 | 77   | Heracross          |  1.40617% | 47881  |  2.232% | 36742  |  2.126% | 
 | 78   | Mienshao           |  1.28984% | 32046  |  1.494% | 26922  |  1.558% | 
 | 79   | Ninjask            |  1.28541% | 70477  |  3.286% | 62999  |  3.645% | 
 | 80   | Azelf              |  1.26880% | 22859  |  1.066% | 20508  |  1.187% | 
 | 81   | Swampert           |  1.23308% | 59086  |  2.754% | 49625  |  2.871% | 
 | 82   | Amoonguss          |  1.19694% | 16932  |  0.789% | 14109  |  0.816% | 
 | 83   | Umbreon            |  1.16731% | 62863  |  2.931% | 48469  |  2.804% | 
 | 84   | Snorlax            |  1.13534% | 58698  |  2.736% | 47440  |  2.745% | 
 | 85   | Scrafty            |  1.09394% | 45852  |  2.138% | 36537  |  2.114% | 
 | 86   | Sawsbuck           |  1.02381% | 17845  |  0.832% | 13353  |  0.773% | 
 | 87   | Nidoking           |  0.98387% | 31070  |  1.448% | 25020  |  1.448% | 
 | 88   | Roserade           |  0.98327% | 26888  |  1.253% | 21663  |  1.253% | 
 | 89   | Zoroark            |  0.98026% | 36512  |  1.702% | 17001  |  0.984% | 
 | 90   | Charizard          |  0.96481% | 64399  |  3.002% | 51799  |  2.997% | 
 | 91   | Empoleon           |  0.94236% | 30669  |  1.430% | 24915  |  1.442% | 
 | 92   | Virizion           |  0.93807% | 16484  |  0.768% | 12800  |  0.741% | 
 | 93   | Froslass           |  0.92114% | 35990  |  1.678% | 30448  |  1.762% | 
 | 94   | Whimsicott         |  0.88608% | 24839  |  1.158% | 20439  |  1.183% | 
 | 95   | Aerodactyl         |  0.86790% | 32181  |  1.500% | 28179  |  1.630% | 
 | 96   | Raikou             |  0.86568% | 18196  |  0.848% | 14585  |  0.844% | 
 | 97   | Sharpedo           |  0.86470% | 20974  |  0.978% | 16085  |  0.931% | 
 | 98   | Blastoise          |  0.85808% | 39688  |  1.850% | 32763  |  1.896% | 
 | 99   | Azumarill          |  0.85344% | 19261  |  0.898% | 15138  |  0.876% | 
 | 100  | Sigilyph           |  0.84759% | 25572  |  1.192% | 19533  |  1.130% | 
 | 101  | Kyurem             |  0.84462% | 16160  |  0.753% | 12088  |  0.699% | 
 | 102  | Electivire         |  0.83146% | 50412  |  2.350% | 40532  |  2.345% | 
 | 103  | Crobat             |  0.82693% | 40826  |  1.903% | 33995  |  1.967% | 
 | 104  | Milotic            |  0.80801% | 38265  |  1.784% | 30393  |  1.759% | 
 | 105  | Ludicolo           |  0.80112% | 31343  |  1.461% | 24392  |  1.411% | 
 | 106  | Gallade            |  0.76628% | 38605  |  1.800% | 31271  |  1.809% | 
 | 107  | Ambipom            |  0.73416% | 28074  |  1.309% | 24296  |  1.406% | 
 | 108  | Hitmontop          |  0.70579% | 16136  |  0.752% | 12793  |  0.740% | 
 | 109  | Yanmega            |  0.68451% | 20815  |  0.970% | 16570  |  0.959% | 
 | 110  | Meloetta           |  0.67832% | 17638  |  0.822% | 13829  |  0.800% | 
 | 111  | Suicune            |  0.65806% | 16728  |  0.780% | 13580  |  0.786% | 
 | 112  | Honchkrow          |  0.64285% | 23919  |  1.115% | 18399  |  1.065% | 
 | 113  | Cobalion           |  0.62467% | 10837  |  0.505% | 8926   |  0.516% | 
 | 114  | Cofagrigus         |  0.61304% | 17898  |  0.834% | 14814  |  0.857% | 
 | 115  | Tangrowth          |  0.59999% | 14536  |  0.678% | 11424  |  0.661% | 
 | 116  | Gorebyss           |  0.58999% | 13873  |  0.647% | 11408  |  0.660% | 
 | 117  | Sandslash          |  0.56370% | 11262  |  0.525% | 8590   |  0.497% | 
 | 118  | Dusclops           |  0.56343% | 17187  |  0.801% | 14068  |  0.814% | 
 | 119  | Golurk             |  0.55839% | 16184  |  0.754% | 13309  |  0.770% | 
 | 120  | Feraligatr         |  0.54334% | 18573  |  0.866% | 14944  |  0.865% | 
 | 121  | Victreebel         |  0.54044% | 10515  |  0.490% | 8039   |  0.465% | 
 | 122  | Lilligant          |  0.53545% | 16116  |  0.751% | 12243  |  0.708% | 
 | 123  | Porygon-Z          |  0.51877% | 26638  |  1.242% | 20832  |  1.205% | 
 | 124  | Quagsire           |  0.51042% | 15350  |  0.716% | 12094  |  0.700% | 
 | 125  | Shaymin            |  0.50789% | 9702   |  0.452% | 7559   |  0.437% | 
 | 126  | Flygon             |  0.49697% | 27073  |  1.262% | 21814  |  1.262% | 
 | 127  | Rotom-Heat         |  0.49240% | 13213  |  0.616% | 10750  |  0.622% | 
 | 128  | Liepard            |  0.48754% | 14191  |  0.662% | 11680  |  0.676% | 
 | 129  | Sceptile           |  0.48349% | 32695  |  1.524% | 25434  |  1.472% | 
 | 130  | Slowking           |  0.47966% | 14024  |  0.654% | 11529  |  0.667% | 
 | 131  | Hitmonlee          |  0.47396% | 14667  |  0.684% | 11880  |  0.687% | 
 | 132  | Claydol            |  0.46013% | 12050  |  0.562% | 10044  |  0.581% | 
 | 133  | Venomoth           |  0.44235% | 13880  |  0.647% | 11120  |  0.643% | 
 | 134  | Medicham           |  0.43312% | 12650  |  0.590% | 10141  |  0.587% | 
 | 135  | Bisharp            |  0.40984% | 15792  |  0.736% | 12655  |  0.732% | 
 | 136  | Rhyperior          |  0.40036% | 20186  |  0.941% | 15900  |  0.920% | 
 | 137  | Cradily            |  0.39858% | 14071  |  0.656% | 11128  |  0.644% | 
 | 138  | Walrein            |  0.39769% | 13564  |  0.632% | 10549  |  0.610% | 
 | 139  | Durant             |  0.39619% | 14894  |  0.694% | 12682  |  0.734% | 
 | 140  | Aron               |  0.39613% | 19494  |  0.909% | 14445  |  0.836% | 
 | 141  | Exeggutor          |  0.39549% | 16151  |  0.753% | 12358  |  0.715% | 
 | 142  | Typhlosion         |  0.38418% | 23194  |  1.081% | 18445  |  1.067% | 
 | 143  | Riolu              |  0.38004% | 12249  |  0.571% | 9347   |  0.541% | 
 | 144  | Dusknoir           |  0.37381% | 17721  |  0.826% | 14502  |  0.839% | 
 | 145  | Shiftry            |  0.37081% | 10004  |  0.466% | 7643   |  0.442% | 
 | 146  | Moltres            |  0.35593% | 7629   |  0.356% | 6133   |  0.355% | 
 | 147  | Aggron             |  0.34580% | 19943  |  0.930% | 15804  |  0.914% | 
 | 148  | Galvantula         |  0.34357% | 17162  |  0.800% | 13223  |  0.765% | 
 | 149  | Krookodile         |  0.34331% | 20046  |  0.935% | 15877  |  0.919% | 
 | 150  | Shedinja           |  0.34085% | 17735  |  0.827% | 12989  |  0.752% | 
 | 151  | Mr. Mime           |  0.33791% | 7752   |  0.361% | 4911   |  0.284% | 
 | 152  | Jumpluff           |  0.33693% | 7082   |  0.330% | 5680   |  0.329% | 
 | 153  | Lapras             |  0.33547% | 24331  |  1.134% | 19571  |  1.132% | 
 | 154  | Kabutops           |  0.32128% | 10326  |  0.481% | 7914   |  0.458% | 
 | 155  | Glaceon            |  0.30601% | 15982  |  0.745% | 11634  |  0.673% | 
 | 156  | Lanturn            |  0.30091% | 12831  |  0.598% | 10655  |  0.617% | 
 | 157  | Druddigon          |  0.29004% | 6378   |  0.297% | 5462   |  0.316% | 
 | 158  | Magneton           |  0.28139% | 5800   |  0.270% | 4632   |  0.268% | 
 | 159  | Shuckle            |  0.27981% | 18462  |  0.861% | 14199  |  0.822% | 
 | 160  | Accelgor           |  0.27204% | 11295  |  0.527% | 9218   |  0.533% | 
 | 161  | Eelektross         |  0.27180% | 22438  |  1.046% | 18818  |  1.089% | 
 | 162  | Archeops           |  0.26807% | 12097  |  0.564% | 9639   |  0.558% | 
 | 163  | Spiritomb          |  0.26659% | 15763  |  0.735% | 12926  |  0.748% | 
 | 164  | Steelix            |  0.25952% | 13274  |  0.619% | 11066  |  0.640% | 
 | 165  | Cinccino           |  0.25719% | 13480  |  0.628% | 10607  |  0.614% | 
 | 166  | Uxie               |  0.25653% | 5844   |  0.272% | 5243   |  0.303% | 
 | 167  | Houndoom           |  0.25528% | 19489  |  0.909% | 15571  |  0.901% | 
 | 168  | Rotom-Mow          |  0.25403% | 5619   |  0.262% | 4728   |  0.274% | 
 | 169  | Gardevoir          |  0.24977% | 14838  |  0.692% | 11765  |  0.681% | 
 | 170  | Mismagius          |  0.23501% | 11696  |  0.545% | 9425   |  0.545% | 
 | 171  | Pikachu            |  0.23401% | 16959  |  0.791% | 13454  |  0.778% | 
 | 172  | Leafeon            |  0.22364% | 16304  |  0.760% | 12468  |  0.721% | 
 | 173  | Nidoqueen          |  0.22090% | 6545   |  0.305% | 5526   |  0.320% | 
 | 174  | Marowak            |  0.21239% | 8760   |  0.408% | 6905   |  0.400% | 
 | 175  | Registeel          |  0.20678% | 7829   |  0.365% | 6393   |  0.370% | 
 | 176  | Scyther            |  0.20538% | 9210   |  0.429% | 7485   |  0.433% | 
 | 177  | Volbeat            |  0.20396% | 6239   |  0.291% | 5267   |  0.305% | 
 | 178  | Swellow            |  0.20256% | 8289   |  0.386% | 6397   |  0.370% | 
 | 179  | Slaking            |  0.19025% | 9900   |  0.462% | 8237   |  0.477% | 
 | 180  | Drapion            |  0.18266% | 17929  |  0.836% | 14981  |  0.867% | 
 | 181  | Omastar            |  0.18235% | 6888   |  0.321% | 5430   |  0.314% | 
 | 182  | Absol              |  0.18229% | 13510  |  0.630% | 10542  |  0.610% | 
 | 183  | Clefable           |  0.18077% | 9407   |  0.439% | 7331   |  0.424% | 
 | 184  | Weezing            |  0.17153% | 9204   |  0.429% | 7512   |  0.435% | 
 | 185  | Miltank            |  0.17016% | 9185   |  0.428% | 7231   |  0.418% | 
 | 186  | Magmortar          |  0.16107% | 12999  |  0.606% | 10436  |  0.604% | 
 | 187  | Jynx               |  0.15138% | 6620   |  0.309% | 4995   |  0.289% | 
 | 188  | Mandibuzz          |  0.14903% | 4744   |  0.221% | 3866   |  0.224% | 
 | 189  | Torkoal            |  0.14818% | 6751   |  0.315% | 5728   |  0.331% | 
 | 190  | Rampardos          |  0.14299% | 8237   |  0.384% | 6313   |  0.365% | 
 | 191  | Flareon            |  0.13870% | 10706  |  0.499% | 8619   |  0.499% | 
 | 192  | Serperior          |  0.13542% | 11440  |  0.533% | 9001   |  0.521% | 
 | 193  | Parasect           |  0.13102% | 4248   |  0.198% | 3241   |  0.188% | 
 | 194  | Crustle            |  0.12884% | 5867   |  0.274% | 4786   |  0.277% | 
 | 195  | Golem              |  0.12251% | 7386   |  0.344% | 6508   |  0.377% | 
 | 196  | Regice             |  0.12009% | 4668   |  0.218% | 3668   |  0.212% | 
 | 197  | Torterra           |  0.11590% | 12929  |  0.603% | 10456  |  0.605% | 
 | 198  | Electrode          |  0.11286% | 6192   |  0.289% | 5398   |  0.312% | 
 | 199  | Bouffalant         |  0.11197% | 4609   |  0.215% | 3459   |  0.200% | 
 | 200  | Carracosta         |  0.11113% | 5805   |  0.271% | 4732   |  0.274% | 
 | 201  | Poliwrath          |  0.10959% | 7459   |  0.348% | 6201   |  0.359% | 
 | 202  | Regirock           |  0.10758% | 3256   |  0.152% | 2529   |  0.146% | 
 | 203  | Escavalier         |  0.10554% | 5827   |  0.272% | 4515   |  0.261% | 
 | 204  | Armaldo            |  0.10463% | 4718   |  0.220% | 3672   |  0.212% | 
 | 205  | Articuno           |  0.10439% | 5989   |  0.279% | 4647   |  0.269% | 
 | 206  | Seismitoad         |  0.10426% | 5276   |  0.246% | 4432   |  0.256% | 
 | 207  | Braviary           |  0.10423% | 8299   |  0.387% | 6536   |  0.378% | 
 | 208  | Scolipede          |  0.10335% | 5158   |  0.240% | 4194   |  0.243% | 
 | 209  | Ampharos           |  0.10255% | 9057   |  0.422% | 7423   |  0.430% | 
 | 210  | Emboar             |  0.10182% | 8578   |  0.400% | 7024   |  0.406% | 
 | 211  | Swanna             |  0.10040% | 3759   |  0.175% | 2807   |  0.162% | 
 | 212  | Cryogonal          |  0.09891% | 4026   |  0.188% | 3015   |  0.174% | 
 | 213  | Crawdaunt          |  0.09867% | 5443   |  0.254% | 4195   |  0.243% | 
 | 214  | Raichu             |  0.09572% | 10903  |  0.508% | 8922   |  0.516% | 
 | 215  | Qwilfish           |  0.09542% | 2685   |  0.125% | 2333   |  0.135% | 
 | 216  | Manectric          |  0.09392% | 6075   |  0.283% | 4869   |  0.282% | 
 | 217  | Whiscash           |  0.09387% | 3502   |  0.163% | 2698   |  0.156% | 
 | 218  | Samurott           |  0.09375% | 8697   |  0.405% | 7032   |  0.407% | 
 | 219  | Zangoose           |  0.09328% | 7221   |  0.337% | 5731   |  0.332% | 
 | 220  | Luxray             |  0.09321% | 11108  |  0.518% | 9176   |  0.531% | 
 | 221  | Gigalith           |  0.09260% | 4682   |  0.218% | 4067   |  0.235% | 
 | 222  | Tauros             |  0.09189% | 5330   |  0.248% | 4257   |  0.246% | 
 | 223  | Rotom              |  0.08998% | 3273   |  0.153% | 2652   |  0.153% | 
 | 224  | Ursaring           |  0.08995% | 7530   |  0.351% | 5882   |  0.340% | 
 | 225  | Hariyama           |  0.08737% | 4601   |  0.214% | 3691   |  0.214% | 
 | 226  | Drifblim           |  0.08502% | 6560   |  0.306% | 5236   |  0.303% | 
 | 227  | Rotom-Frost        |  0.08377% | 4206   |  0.196% | 3436   |  0.199% | 
 | 228  | Lickilicky         |  0.08333% | 3776   |  0.176% | 3022   |  0.175% | 
 | 229  | Entei              |  0.08184% | 3538   |  0.165% | 2867   |  0.166% | 
 | 230  | Kangaskhan         |  0.08054% | 3499   |  0.163% | 2935   |  0.170% | 
 | 231  | Probopass          |  0.07970% | 3368   |  0.157% | 2653   |  0.154% | 
 | 232  | Murkrow            |  0.07920% | 2638   |  0.123% | 2136   |  0.124% | 
 | 233  | Alomomola          |  0.07826% | 3341   |  0.156% | 2543   |  0.147% | 
 | 234  | Tropius            |  0.07615% | 4503   |  0.210% | 3334   |  0.193% | 
 | 235  | Klinklang          |  0.07365% | 3112   |  0.145% | 2455   |  0.142% | 
 | 236  | Altaria            |  0.07327% | 5737   |  0.267% | 4429   |  0.256% | 
 | 237  | Hitmonchan         |  0.07321% | 6595   |  0.307% | 5291   |  0.306% | 
 | 238  | Mesprit            |  0.07173% | 1696   |  0.079% | 1352   |  0.078% | 
 | 239  | Rhydon             |  0.06780% | 3193   |  0.149% | 2663   |  0.154% | 
 | 240  | Sawk               |  0.06203% | 3455   |  0.161% | 2759   |  0.160% | 
 | 241  | Rapidash           |  0.05663% | 5378   |  0.251% | 4250   |  0.246% | 
 | 242  | Floatzel           |  0.05602% | 5389   |  0.251% | 4335   |  0.251% | 
 | 243  | Basculin           |  0.05068% | 1388   |  0.065% | 1043   |  0.060% | 
 | 244  | Ferroseed          |  0.04962% | 1028   |  0.048% | 887    |  0.051% | 
 | 245  | Zebstrika          |  0.04923% | 2968   |  0.138% | 2436   |  0.141% | 
 | 246  | Piloswine          |  0.04894% | 884    |  0.041% | 734    |  0.042% | 
 | 247  | Primeape           |  0.04880% | 3770   |  0.176% | 3064   |  0.177% | 
 | 248  | Musharna           |  0.04843% | 2551   |  0.119% | 1912   |  0.111% | 
 | 249  | Huntail            |  0.04777% | 2265   |  0.106% | 1775   |  0.103% | 
 | 250  | Swoobat            |  0.04730% | 2333   |  0.109% | 1892   |  0.109% | 
 | 251  | Wailord            |  0.04579% | 3759   |  0.175% | 3047   |  0.176% | 
 | 252  | Linoone            |  0.04527% | 3943   |  0.184% | 3103   |  0.180% | 
 | 253  | Cacturne           |  0.04425% | 4501   |  0.210% | 3544   |  0.205% | 
 | 254  | Mantine            |  0.04409% | 2233   |  0.104% | 1853   |  0.107% | 
 | 255  | Muk                |  0.04315% | 5937   |  0.277% | 4979   |  0.288% | 
 | 256  | Regigigas          |  0.04300% | 2561   |  0.119% | 2100   |  0.122% | 
 | 257  | Gligar             |  0.04182% | 1688   |  0.079% | 1400   |  0.081% | 
 | 258  | Golduck            |  0.04173% | 3327   |  0.155% | 2796   |  0.162% | 
 | 259  | Camerupt           |  0.04146% | 3611   |  0.168% | 2911   |  0.168% | 
 | 260  | Clamperl           |  0.03973% | 1162   |  0.054% | 968    |  0.056% | 
 | 261  | Bastiodon          |  0.03861% | 4021   |  0.187% | 3366   |  0.195% | 
 | 262  | Skuntank           |  0.03713% | 2968   |  0.138% | 2429   |  0.141% | 
 | 263  | Beartic            |  0.03696% | 1855   |  0.086% | 1486   |  0.086% | 
 | 264  | Octillery          |  0.03529% | 2318   |  0.108% | 1727   |  0.100% | 
 | 265  | Pidgeot            |  0.03495% | 4075   |  0.190% | 3339   |  0.193% | 
 | 266  | Nosepass           |  0.03465% | 1315   |  0.061% | 891    |  0.052% | 
 | 267  | Audino             |  0.03431% | 1526   |  0.071% | 1208   |  0.070% | 
 | 268  | Emolga             |  0.03418% | 2757   |  0.129% | 2253   |  0.130% | 
 | 269  | Lopunny            |  0.03388% | 3266   |  0.152% | 2808   |  0.162% | 
 | 270  | Dunsparce          |  0.03357% | 2269   |  0.106% | 1684   |  0.097% | 
 | 271  | Pinsir             |  0.03340% | 3295   |  0.154% | 2523   |  0.146% | 
 | 272  | Butterfree         |  0.03287% | 3942   |  0.184% | 3123   |  0.181% | 
 | 273  | Persian            |  0.03257% | 2210   |  0.103% | 1885   |  0.109% | 
 | 274  | Mawile             |  0.03253% | 1344   |  0.063% | 1040   |  0.060% | 
 | 275  | Banette            |  0.03244% | 2297   |  0.107% | 1939   |  0.112% | 
 | 276  | Meganium           |  0.03217% | 4744   |  0.221% | 3825   |  0.221% | 
 | 277  | Togetic            |  0.03203% | 1324   |  0.062% | 1145   |  0.066% | 
 | 278  | Leavanny           |  0.03192% | 2849   |  0.133% | 2200   |  0.127% | 
 | 279  | Stunfisk           |  0.03012% | 2210   |  0.103% | 1799   |  0.104% | 
 | 280  | Vulpix             |  0.02897% | 909    |  0.042% | 844    |  0.049% | 
 | 281  | Magnemite          |  0.02773% | 2361   |  0.110% | 1562   |  0.090% | 
 | 282  | Cleffa             |  0.02747% | 383    |  0.018% | 320    |  0.019% | 
 | 283  | Purrloin           |  0.02645% | 792    |  0.037% | 653    |  0.038% | 
 | 284  | Masquerain         |  0.02627% | 1128   |  0.053% | 853    |  0.049% | 
 | 285  | Vileplume          |  0.02612% | 2169   |  0.101% | 1699   |  0.098% | 
 | 286  | Raticate           |  0.02606% | 1787   |  0.083% | 1378   |  0.080% | 
 | 287  | Wartortle          |  0.02516% | 920    |  0.043% | 762    |  0.044% | 
 | 288  | Spinda             |  0.02348% | 2495   |  0.116% | 2027   |  0.117% | 
 | 289  | Kingler            |  0.02295% | 2569   |  0.120% | 2029   |  0.117% | 
 | 290  | Relicanth          |  0.02288% | 1468   |  0.068% | 1181   |  0.068% | 
 | 291  | Mightyena          |  0.02246% | 2507   |  0.117% | 2014   |  0.117% | 
 | 292  | Cottonee           |  0.02178% | 1278   |  0.060% | 1021   |  0.059% | 
 | 293  | Tangela            |  0.02173% | 1066   |  0.050% | 822    |  0.048% | 
 | 294  | Castform           |  0.02160% | 1877   |  0.088% | 1475   |  0.085% | 
 | 295  | Haunter            |  0.02135% | 1779   |  0.083% | 1505   |  0.087% | 
 | 296  | Rattata            |  0.02123% | 3041   |  0.142% | 2429   |  0.141% | 
 | 297  | Arbok              |  0.02120% | 2034   |  0.095% | 1693   |  0.098% | 
 | 298  | Magcargo           |  0.02090% | 1404   |  0.065% | 1139   |  0.066% | 
 | 299  | Rotom-Fan          |  0.02058% | 1656   |  0.077% | 1373   |  0.079% | 
 | 300  | Magikarp           |  0.02000% | 2272   |  0.106% | 1661   |  0.096% | 
 | 301  | Dragonair          |  0.01892% | 1887   |  0.088% | 1574   |  0.091% | 
 | 302  | Misdreavus         |  0.01885% | 950    |  0.044% | 783    |  0.045% | 
 | 303  | Exploud            |  0.01880% | 1390   |  0.065% | 1186   |  0.069% | 
 | 304  | Vanilluxe          |  0.01868% | 1585   |  0.074% | 1236   |  0.072% | 
 | 305  | Beheeyem           |  0.01767% | 1177   |  0.055% | 904    |  0.052% | 
 | 306  | Pineco             |  0.01699% | 1610   |  0.075% | 1467   |  0.085% | 
 | 307  | Lileep             |  0.01695% | 285    |  0.013% | 237    |  0.014% | 
 | 308  | Lunatone           |  0.01688% | 992    |  0.046% | 794    |  0.046% | 
 | 309  | Graveler           |  0.01639% | 307    |  0.014% | 295    |  0.017% | 
 | 310  | Hippopotas         |  0.01564% | 1345   |  0.063% | 1125   |  0.065% | 
 | 311  | Golbat             |  0.01521% | 972    |  0.045% | 825    |  0.048% | 
 | 312  | Throh              |  0.01464% | 1123   |  0.052% | 930    |  0.054% | 
 | 313  | Dewgong            |  0.01442% | 1683   |  0.078% | 1377   |  0.080% | 
 | 314  | Simisage           |  0.01419% | 1068   |  0.050% | 856    |  0.050% | 
 | 315  | Hypno              |  0.01404% | 1652   |  0.077% | 1360   |  0.079% | 
 | 316  | Pelipper           |  0.01378% | 854    |  0.040% | 727    |  0.042% | 
 | 317  | Combusken          |  0.01354% | 904    |  0.042% | 712    |  0.041% | 
 | 318  | Simisear           |  0.01350% | 791    |  0.037% | 607    |  0.035% | 
 | 319  | Electabuzz         |  0.01336% | 1495   |  0.070% | 1263   |  0.073% | 
 | 320  | Palpitoad          |  0.01296% | 341    |  0.016% | 313    |  0.018% | 
 | 321  | Vespiquen          |  0.01281% | 1412   |  0.066% | 1019   |  0.059% | 
 | 322  | Seaking            |  0.01271% | 1507   |  0.070% | 1046   |  0.061% | 
 | 323  | Solrock            |  0.01265% | 622    |  0.029% | 521    |  0.030% | 
 | 324  | Dodrio             |  0.01246% | 1561   |  0.073% | 1175   |  0.068% | 
 | 325  | Bibarel            |  0.01230% | 1317   |  0.061% | 1042   |  0.060% | 
 | 326  | Granbull           |  0.01228% | 1112   |  0.052% | 850    |  0.049% | 
 | 327  | Garbodor           |  0.01186% | 1249   |  0.058% | 1028   |  0.059% | 
 | 328  | Simipour           |  0.01144% | 611    |  0.028% | 486    |  0.028% | 
 | 329  | Eevee              |  0.01138% | 1193   |  0.056% | 934    |  0.054% | 
 | 330  | Illumise           |  0.01116% | 465    |  0.022% | 372    |  0.022% | 
 | 331  | Girafarig          |  0.01100% | 1070   |  0.050% | 887    |  0.051% | 
 | 332  | Cherrim            |  0.01092% | 926    |  0.043% | 725    |  0.042% | 
 | 333  | Wynaut             |  0.01073% | 545    |  0.025% | 436    |  0.025% | 
 | 334  | Lumineon           |  0.01055% | 540    |  0.025% | 440    |  0.025% | 
 | 335  | Gothorita          |  0.01047% | 353    |  0.016% | 251    |  0.015% | 
 | 336  | Pachirisu          |  0.01042% | 617    |  0.029% | 501    |  0.029% | 
 | 337  | Glalie             |  0.00995% | 1149   |  0.054% | 944    |  0.055% | 
 | 338  | Seviper            |  0.00981% | 1606   |  0.075% | 1322   |  0.076% | 
 | 339  | Vigoroth           |  0.00963% | 856    |  0.040% | 682    |  0.039% | 
 | 340  | Purugly            |  0.00956% | 444    |  0.021% | 365    |  0.021% | 
 | 341  | Grumpig            |  0.00952% | 799    |  0.037% | 650    |  0.038% | 
 | 342  | Koffing            |  0.00950% | 268    |  0.012% | 215    |  0.012% | 
 | 343  | Kecleon            |  0.00940% | 1137   |  0.053% | 941    |  0.054% | 
 | 344  | Tentacool          |  0.00940% | 217    |  0.010% | 169    |  0.010% | 
 | 345  | Shelgon            |  0.00937% | 522    |  0.024% | 433    |  0.025% | 
 | 346  | Shroomish          |  0.00929% | 152    |  0.007% | 129    |  0.007% | 
 | 347  | Delibird           |  0.00924% | 551    |  0.026% | 436    |  0.025% | 
 | 348  | Onix               |  0.00923% | 1145   |  0.053% | 989    |  0.057% | 
 | 349  | Maractus           |  0.00917% | 646    |  0.030% | 480    |  0.028% | 
 | 350  | Bellossom          |  0.00904% | 1186   |  0.055% | 956    |  0.055% | 
 | 351  | Clefairy           |  0.00895% | 323    |  0.015% | 235    |  0.014% | 
 | 352  | Beedrill           |  0.00890% | 819    |  0.038% | 666    |  0.039% | 
 | 353  | Squirtle           |  0.00827% | 735    |  0.034% | 623    |  0.036% | 
 | 354  | Magmar             |  0.00824% | 754    |  0.035% | 620    |  0.036% | 
 | 355  | Gurdurr            |  0.00823% | 387    |  0.018% | 323    |  0.019% | 
 | 356  | Kadabra            |  0.00813% | 382    |  0.018% | 315    |  0.018% | 
 | 357  | Furret             |  0.00749% | 949    |  0.044% | 808    |  0.047% | 
 | 358  | Heatmor            |  0.00739% | 960    |  0.045% | 778    |  0.045% | 
 | 359  | Unfezant           |  0.00733% | 1081   |  0.050% | 881    |  0.051% | 
 | 360  | Noctowl            |  0.00732% | 1319   |  0.061% | 1068   |  0.062% | 
 | 361  | Corsola            |  0.00722% | 392    |  0.018% | 328    |  0.019% | 
 | 362  | Taillow            |  0.00721% | 468    |  0.022% | 337    |  0.019% | 
 | 363  | Munchlax           |  0.00711% | 673    |  0.031% | 544    |  0.031% | 
 | 364  | Machoke            |  0.00689% | 541    |  0.025% | 435    |  0.025% | 
 | 365  | Grovyle            |  0.00673% | 437    |  0.020% | 328    |  0.019% | 
 | 366  | Plusle             |  0.00648% | 321    |  0.015% | 272    |  0.016% | 
 | 367  | Zweilous           |  0.00634% | 401    |  0.019% | 337    |  0.019% | 
 | 368  | Metang             |  0.00634% | 366    |  0.017% | 313    |  0.018% | 
 | 369  | Lairon             |  0.00625% | 412    |  0.019% | 340    |  0.020% | 
 | 370  | Bulbasaur          |  0.00622% | 664    |  0.031% | 569    |  0.033% | 
 | 371  | Fearow             |  0.00620% | 778    |  0.036% | 607    |  0.035% | 
 | 372  | Charmeleon         |  0.00619% | 457    |  0.021% | 401    |  0.023% | 
 | 373  | Drilbur            |  0.00618% | 226    |  0.011% | 160    |  0.009% | 
 | 374  | Farfetch'd         |  0.00609% | 719    |  0.034% | 541    |  0.031% | 
 | 375  | Sunflora           |  0.00601% | 692    |  0.032% | 507    |  0.029% | 
 | 376  | Wigglytuff         |  0.00594% | 1065   |  0.050% | 857    |  0.050% | 
 | 377  | Ariados            |  0.00591% | 648    |  0.030% | 550    |  0.032% | 
 | 378  | Ivysaur            |  0.00587% | 335    |  0.016% | 277    |  0.016% | 
 | 379  | Solosis            |  0.00577% | 190    |  0.009% | 153    |  0.009% | 
 | 380  | Bayleef            |  0.00568% | 363    |  0.017% | 307    |  0.018% | 
 | 381  | Snover             |  0.00553% | 201    |  0.009% | 168    |  0.010% | 
 | 382  | Pichu              |  0.00551% | 722    |  0.034% | 562    |  0.033% | 
 | 383  | Yamask             |  0.00533% | 269    |  0.013% | 176    |  0.010% | 
 | 384  | Ledian             |  0.00529% | 429    |  0.020% | 369    |  0.021% | 
 | 385  | Watchog            |  0.00516% | 530    |  0.025% | 393    |  0.023% | 
 | 386  | Sudowoodo          |  0.00504% | 1082   |  0.050% | 905    |  0.052% | 
 | 387  | Roselia            |  0.00504% | 329    |  0.015% | 284    |  0.016% | 
 | 388  | Trapinch           |  0.00499% | 527    |  0.025% | 395    |  0.023% | 
 | 389  | Sandshrew          |  0.00488% | 242    |  0.011% | 203    |  0.012% | 
 | 390  | Kricketune         |  0.00488% | 286    |  0.013% | 236    |  0.014% | 
 | 391  | Delcatty           |  0.00477% | 604    |  0.028% | 507    |  0.029% | 
 | 392  | Phione             |  0.00469% | 598    |  0.028% | 443    |  0.026% | 
 | 393  | Lickitung          |  0.00465% | 457    |  0.021% | 354    |  0.020% | 
 | 394  | Scraggy            |  0.00459% | 509    |  0.024% | 434    |  0.025% | 
 | 395  | Treecko            |  0.00451% | 523    |  0.024% | 427    |  0.025% | 
 | 396  | Mankey             |  0.00435% | 85     |  0.004% | 65     |  0.004% | 
 | 397  | Chimecho           |  0.00413% | 376    |  0.018% | 316    |  0.018% | 
 | 398  | Stantler           |  0.00391% | 315    |  0.015% | 266    |  0.015% | 
 | 399  | Sneasel            |  0.00379% | 427    |  0.020% | 366    |  0.021% | 
 | 400  | Swalot             |  0.00376% | 754    |  0.035% | 608    |  0.035% | 
 | 401  | Metapod            |  0.00346% | 404    |  0.019% | 331    |  0.019% | 
 | 402  | Porygon            |  0.00332% | 609    |  0.028% | 526    |  0.030% | 
 | 403  | Starly             |  0.00328% | 557    |  0.026% | 364    |  0.021% | 
 | 404  | Gabite             |  0.00327% | 335    |  0.016% | 289    |  0.017% | 
 | 405  | Minun              |  0.00327% | 354    |  0.017% | 298    |  0.017% | 
 | 406  | Poliwag            |  0.00326% | 125    |  0.006% | 97     |  0.006% | 
 | 407  | Bidoof             |  0.00326% | 553    |  0.026% | 459    |  0.027% | 
 | 408  | Feebas             |  0.00324% | 381    |  0.018% | 294    |  0.017% | 
 | 409  | Gastly             |  0.00320% | 551    |  0.026% | 481    |  0.028% | 
 | 410  | Shelmet            |  0.00315% | 125    |  0.006% | 94     |  0.005% | 
 | 411  | Zubat              |  0.00315% | 251    |  0.012% | 199    |  0.012% | 
 | 412  | Dwebble            |  0.00312% | 256    |  0.012% | 195    |  0.011% | 
 | 413  | Unown              |  0.00311% | 339    |  0.016% | 264    |  0.015% | 
 | 414  | Jigglypuff         |  0.00304% | 465    |  0.022% | 370    |  0.021% | 
 | 415  | Charmander         |  0.00296% | 345    |  0.016% | 289    |  0.017% | 
 | 416  | Carnivine          |  0.00282% | 196    |  0.009% | 167    |  0.010% | 
 | 417  | Snivy              |  0.00276% | 325    |  0.015% | 273    |  0.016% | 
 | 418  | Abra               |  0.00267% | 191    |  0.009% | 161    |  0.009% | 
 | 419  | Caterpie           |  0.00260% | 258    |  0.012% | 191    |  0.011% | 
 | 420  | Dewott             |  0.00259% | 263    |  0.012% | 222    |  0.013% | 
 | 421  | Chatot             |  0.00255% | 312    |  0.015% | 257    |  0.015% | 
 | 422  | Sealeo             |  0.00251% | 71     |  0.003% | 61     |  0.004% | 
 | 423  | Klang              |  0.00249% | 134    |  0.006% | 114    |  0.007% | 
 | 424  | Mothim             |  0.00247% | 328    |  0.015% | 265    |  0.015% | 
 | 425  | Axew               |  0.00243% | 300    |  0.014% | 230    |  0.013% | 
 | 426  | Chimchar           |  0.00242% | 199    |  0.009% | 159    |  0.009% | 
 | 427  | Luvdisc            |  0.00241% | 189    |  0.009% | 140    |  0.008% | 
 | 428  | Sunkern            |  0.00240% | 389    |  0.018% | 269    |  0.016% | 
 | 429  | Drowzee            |  0.00235% | 89     |  0.004% | 74     |  0.004% | 
 | 430  | Oshawott           |  0.00235% | 334    |  0.016% | 302    |  0.017% | 
 | 431  | Togepi             |  0.00233% | 127    |  0.006% | 116    |  0.007% | 
 | 432  | Natu               |  0.00233% | 132    |  0.006% | 111    |  0.006% | 
 | 433  | Zorua              |  0.00229% | 412    |  0.019% | 196    |  0.011% | 
 | 434  | Dustox             |  0.00225% | 549    |  0.026% | 390    |  0.023% | 
 | 435  | Quilava            |  0.00223% | 451    |  0.021% | 393    |  0.023% | 
 | 436  | Beautifly          |  0.00219% | 312    |  0.015% | 244    |  0.014% | 
 | 437  | Pidgeotto          |  0.00219% | 236    |  0.011% | 195    |  0.011% | 
 | 438  | Exeggcute          |  0.00217% | 58     |  0.003% | 48     |  0.003% | 
 | 439  | Totodile           |  0.00216% | 233    |  0.011% | 204    |  0.012% | 
 | 440  | Duosion            |  0.00212% | 186    |  0.009% | 146    |  0.008% | 
 | 441  | Fraxure            |  0.00212% | 188    |  0.009% | 160    |  0.009% | 
 | 442  | Geodude            |  0.00211% | 181    |  0.008% | 153    |  0.009% | 
 | 443  | Omanyte            |  0.00208% | 328    |  0.015% | 295    |  0.017% | 
 | 444  | Wormadam-Sandy     |  0.00205% | 109    |  0.005% | 92     |  0.005% | 
 | 445  | Pidgey             |  0.00202% | 91     |  0.004% | 78     |  0.005% | 
 | 446  | Diglett            |  0.00197% | 191    |  0.009% | 147    |  0.009% | 
 | 447  | Mudkip             |  0.00196% | 169    |  0.008% | 131    |  0.008% | 
 | 448  | Buizel             |  0.00196% | 310    |  0.014% | 271    |  0.016% | 
 | 449  | Pignite            |  0.00195% | 271    |  0.013% | 230    |  0.013% | 
 | 450  | Monferno           |  0.00195% | 264    |  0.012% | 231    |  0.013% | 
 | 451  | Hoppip             |  0.00194% | 171    |  0.008% | 133    |  0.008% | 
 | 452  | Tepig              |  0.00193% | 261    |  0.012% | 216    |  0.012% | 
 | 453  | Cubone             |  0.00192% | 272    |  0.013% | 230    |  0.013% | 
 | 454  | Aipom              |  0.00191% | 178    |  0.008% | 152    |  0.009% | 
 | 455  | Marshtomp          |  0.00191% | 240    |  0.011% | 216    |  0.012% | 
 | 456  | Swinub             |  0.00188% | 284    |  0.013% | 231    |  0.013% | 
 | 457  | Zigzagoon          |  0.00183% | 303    |  0.014% | 268    |  0.016% | 
 | 458  | Slowpoke           |  0.00180% | 143    |  0.007% | 97     |  0.006% | 
 | 459  | Poliwhirl          |  0.00179% | 185    |  0.009% | 157    |  0.009% | 
 | 460  | Servine            |  0.00176% | 129    |  0.006% | 111    |  0.006% | 
 | 461  | Dratini            |  0.00174% | 90     |  0.004% | 67     |  0.004% | 
 | 462  | Cyndaquil          |  0.00173% | 201    |  0.009% | 172    |  0.010% | 
 | 463  | Yanma              |  0.00171% | 161    |  0.008% | 142    |  0.008% | 
 | 464  | Lampent            |  0.00165% | 156    |  0.007% | 122    |  0.007% | 
 | 465  | Skitty             |  0.00164% | 130    |  0.006% | 108    |  0.006% | 
 | 466  | Frillish           |  0.00163% | 116    |  0.005% | 97     |  0.006% | 
 | 467  | Ponyta             |  0.00162% | 115    |  0.005% | 104    |  0.006% | 
 | 468  | Seadra             |  0.00161% | 199    |  0.009% | 151    |  0.009% | 
 | 469  | Bronzor            |  0.00159% | 119    |  0.006% | 102    |  0.006% | 
 | 470  | Duskull            |  0.00154% | 122    |  0.006% | 102    |  0.006% | 
 | 471  | Staryu             |  0.00152% | 218    |  0.010% | 178    |  0.010% | 
 | 472  | Psyduck            |  0.00150% | 145    |  0.007% | 121    |  0.007% | 
 | 473  | Piplup             |  0.00145% | 221    |  0.010% | 179    |  0.010% | 
 | 474  | Kakuna             |  0.00144% | 122    |  0.006% | 110    |  0.006% | 
 | 475  | Voltorb            |  0.00135% | 186    |  0.009% | 153    |  0.009% | 
 | 476  | Wormadam           |  0.00134% | 49     |  0.002% | 46     |  0.003% | 
 | 477  | Croagunk           |  0.00130% | 209    |  0.010% | 169    |  0.010% | 
 | 478  | Magby              |  0.00125% | 78     |  0.004% | 63     |  0.004% | 
 | 479  | Chikorita          |  0.00125% | 165    |  0.008% | 134    |  0.008% | 
 | 480  | Golett             |  0.00123% | 44     |  0.002% | 39     |  0.002% | 
 | 481  | Larvitar           |  0.00121% | 68     |  0.003% | 57     |  0.003% | 
 | 482  | Mienfoo            |  0.00119% | 86     |  0.004% | 69     |  0.004% | 
 | 483  | Shellder           |  0.00118% | 115    |  0.005% | 99     |  0.006% | 
 | 484  | Nuzleaf            |  0.00115% | 65     |  0.003% | 50     |  0.003% | 
 | 485  | Baltoy             |  0.00114% | 83     |  0.004% | 73     |  0.004% | 
 | 486  | Boldore            |  0.00113% | 136    |  0.006% | 121    |  0.007% | 
 | 487  | Litwick            |  0.00111% | 270    |  0.013% | 225    |  0.013% | 
 | 488  | Whirlipede         |  0.00111% | 92     |  0.004% | 84     |  0.005% | 
 | 489  | Torchic            |  0.00110% | 124    |  0.006% | 106    |  0.006% | 
 | 490  | Anorith            |  0.00109% | 31     |  0.001% | 25     |  0.001% | 
 | 491  | Drifloon           |  0.00108% | 43     |  0.002% | 32     |  0.002% | 
 | 492  | Krabby             |  0.00106% | 57     |  0.003% | 49     |  0.003% | 
 | 493  | Kirlia             |  0.00104% | 52     |  0.002% | 45     |  0.003% | 
 | 494  | Woobat             |  0.00102% | 71     |  0.003% | 62     |  0.004% | 
 | 495  | Growlithe          |  0.00100% | 88     |  0.004% | 79     |  0.005% | 
 | 496  | Wooper             |  0.00099% | 53     |  0.002% | 41     |  0.002% | 
 | 497  | Prinplup           |  0.00098% | 38     |  0.002% | 35     |  0.002% | 
 | 498  | Wormadam-Trash     |  0.00098% | 178    |  0.008% | 130    |  0.008% | 
 | 499  | Meowth             |  0.00097% | 265    |  0.012% | 237    |  0.014% | 
 | 500  | Pupitar            |  0.00096% | 84     |  0.004% | 65     |  0.004% | 
 | 501  | Remoraid           |  0.00094% | 35     |  0.002% | 28     |  0.002% | 
 | 502  | Flaaffy            |  0.00093% | 78     |  0.004% | 72     |  0.004% | 
 | 503  | Swadloon           |  0.00093% | 51     |  0.002% | 44     |  0.003% | 
 | 504  | Krokorok           |  0.00092% | 189    |  0.009% | 142    |  0.008% | 
 | 505  | Archen             |  0.00092% | 172    |  0.008% | 140    |  0.008% | 
 | 506  | Sentret            |  0.00091% | 168    |  0.008% | 124    |  0.007% | 
 | 507  | Tyrogue            |  0.00090% | 70     |  0.003% | 54     |  0.003% | 
 | 508  | Chinchou           |  0.00089% | 198    |  0.009% | 170    |  0.010% | 
 | 509  | Wurmple            |  0.00087% | 104    |  0.005% | 74     |  0.004% | 
 | 510  | Deino              |  0.00087% | 53     |  0.002% | 43     |  0.002% | 
 | 511  | Staravia           |  0.00085% | 116    |  0.005% | 96     |  0.006% | 
 | 512  | Tranquill          |  0.00085% | 100    |  0.005% | 86     |  0.005% | 
 | 513  | Deerling           |  0.00085% | 104    |  0.005% | 79     |  0.005% | 
 | 514  | Paras              |  0.00083% | 106    |  0.005% | 102    |  0.006% | 
 | 515  | Cranidos           |  0.00082% | 102    |  0.005% | 78     |  0.005% | 
 | 516  | Weedle             |  0.00081% | 107    |  0.005% | 94     |  0.005% | 
 | 517  | Teddiursa          |  0.00079% | 118    |  0.006% | 103    |  0.006% | 
 | 518  | Grotle             |  0.00078% | 56     |  0.003% | 48     |  0.003% | 
 | 519  | Doduo              |  0.00078% | 180    |  0.008% | 141    |  0.008% | 
 | 520  | Patrat             |  0.00077% | 200    |  0.009% | 182    |  0.011% | 
 | 521  | Croconaw           |  0.00076% | 126    |  0.006% | 100    |  0.006% | 
 | 522  | Elekid             |  0.00076% | 135    |  0.006% | 119    |  0.007% | 
 | 523  | Happiny            |  0.00075% | 144    |  0.007% | 116    |  0.007% | 
 | 524  | Smoochum           |  0.00075% | 93     |  0.004% | 79     |  0.005% | 
 | 525  | Lombre             |  0.00074% | 82     |  0.004% | 68     |  0.004% | 
 | 526  | Buneary            |  0.00074% | 126    |  0.006% | 94     |  0.005% | 
 | 527  | Mime Jr.           |  0.00069% | 164    |  0.008% | 128    |  0.007% | 
 | 528  | Joltik             |  0.00068% | 86     |  0.004% | 67     |  0.004% | 
 | 529  | Mantyke            |  0.00067% | 139    |  0.006% | 119    |  0.007% | 
 | 530  | Marill             |  0.00067% | 73     |  0.003% | 65     |  0.004% | 
 | 531  | Klink              |  0.00064% | 19     |  0.001% | 15     |  0.001% | 
 | 532  | Pansage            |  0.00064% | 156    |  0.007% | 121    |  0.007% | 
 | 533  | Pidove             |  0.00063% | 41     |  0.002% | 36     |  0.002% | 
 | 534  | Machop             |  0.00062% | 28     |  0.001% | 25     |  0.001% | 
 | 535  | Corphish           |  0.00062% | 202    |  0.009% | 184    |  0.011% | 
 | 536  | Horsea             |  0.00062% | 53     |  0.002% | 49     |  0.003% | 
 | 537  | Elgyem             |  0.00061% | 41     |  0.002% | 34     |  0.002% | 
 | 538  | Roggenrola         |  0.00061% | 65     |  0.003% | 54     |  0.003% | 
 | 539  | Turtwig            |  0.00059% | 107    |  0.005% | 93     |  0.005% | 
 | 540  | Pawniard           |  0.00059% | 50     |  0.002% | 45     |  0.003% | 
 | 541  | Nincada            |  0.00059% | 41     |  0.002% | 32     |  0.002% | 
 | 542  | Larvesta           |  0.00058% | 56     |  0.003% | 47     |  0.003% | 
 | 543  | Igglybuff          |  0.00057% | 105    |  0.005% | 90     |  0.005% | 
 | 544  | Vibrava            |  0.00056% | 107    |  0.005% | 94     |  0.005% | 
 | 545  | Shinx              |  0.00055% | 46     |  0.002% | 38     |  0.002% | 
 | 546  | Tirtouga           |  0.00055% | 86     |  0.004% | 72     |  0.004% | 
 | 547  | Venonat            |  0.00054% | 49     |  0.002% | 41     |  0.002% | 
 | 548  | Shieldon           |  0.00054% | 68     |  0.003% | 60     |  0.003% | 
 | 549  | Wailmer            |  0.00053% | 62     |  0.003% | 59     |  0.003% | 
 | 550  | Rhyhorn            |  0.00053% | 107    |  0.005% | 92     |  0.005% | 
 | 551  | Bonsly             |  0.00053% | 68     |  0.003% | 60     |  0.003% | 
 | 552  | Glameow            |  0.00052% | 80     |  0.004% | 70     |  0.004% | 
 | 553  | Burmy              |  0.00052% | 13     |  0.001% | 13     |  0.001% | 
 | 554  | Luxio              |  0.00051% | 49     |  0.002% | 47     |  0.003% | 
 | 555  | Lotad              |  0.00051% | 28     |  0.001% | 20     |  0.001% | 
 | 556  | Bagon              |  0.00051% | 51     |  0.002% | 39     |  0.002% | 
 | 557  | Minccino           |  0.00051% | 117    |  0.005% | 100    |  0.006% | 
 | 558  | Gloom              |  0.00049% | 88     |  0.004% | 81     |  0.005% | 
 | 559  | Azurill            |  0.00048% | 100    |  0.005% | 86     |  0.005% | 
 | 560  | Phanpy             |  0.00046% | 90     |  0.004% | 75     |  0.004% | 
 | 561  | Bellsprout         |  0.00046% | 42     |  0.002% | 33     |  0.002% | 
 | 562  | Cubchoo            |  0.00046% | 26     |  0.001% | 23     |  0.001% | 
 | 563  | Gible              |  0.00043% | 162    |  0.008% | 129    |  0.007% | 
 | 564  | Carvanha           |  0.00043% | 44     |  0.002% | 39     |  0.002% | 
 | 565  | Seedot             |  0.00043% | 25     |  0.001% | 22     |  0.001% | 
 | 566  | Oddish             |  0.00042% | 34     |  0.002% | 27     |  0.002% | 
 | 567  | Surskit            |  0.00042% | 154    |  0.007% | 110    |  0.006% | 
 | 568  | Goldeen            |  0.00041% | 45     |  0.002% | 38     |  0.002% | 
 | 569  | Herdier            |  0.00040% | 86     |  0.004% | 63     |  0.004% | 
 | 570  | Karrablast         |  0.00036% | 35     |  0.002% | 30     |  0.002% | 
 | 571  | Sandile            |  0.00035% | 48     |  0.002% | 43     |  0.002% | 
 | 572  | Munna              |  0.00035% | 25     |  0.001% | 20     |  0.001% | 
 | 573  | Skorupi            |  0.00035% | 25     |  0.001% | 21     |  0.001% | 
 | 574  | Cherubi            |  0.00035% | 32     |  0.001% | 27     |  0.002% | 
 | 575  | Spheal             |  0.00034% | 54     |  0.003% | 41     |  0.002% | 
 | 576  | Budew              |  0.00034% | 18     |  0.001% | 17     |  0.001% | 
 | 577  | Weepinbell         |  0.00033% | 49     |  0.002% | 39     |  0.002% | 
 | 578  | NidoranF           |  0.00033% | 187    |  0.009% | 159    |  0.009% | 
 | 579  | Barboach           |  0.00033% | 14     |  0.001% | 12     |  0.001% | 
 | 580  | Rufflet            |  0.00032% | 32     |  0.001% | 27     |  0.002% | 
 | 581  | Ledyba             |  0.00032% | 30     |  0.001% | 21     |  0.001% | 
 | 582  | Nidorino           |  0.00032% | 198    |  0.009% | 171    |  0.010% | 
 | 583  | Cacnea             |  0.00032% | 43     |  0.002% | 35     |  0.002% | 
 | 584  | Tynamo             |  0.00032% | 31     |  0.001% | 28     |  0.002% | 
 | 585  | Houndour           |  0.00032% | 72     |  0.003% | 58     |  0.003% | 
 | 586  | Slakoth            |  0.00031% | 15     |  0.001% | 13     |  0.001% | 
 | 587  | Electrike          |  0.00030% | 29     |  0.001% | 25     |  0.001% | 
 | 588  | Spearow            |  0.00030% | 38     |  0.002% | 31     |  0.002% | 
 | 589  | Shuppet            |  0.00030% | 129    |  0.006% | 98     |  0.006% | 
 | 590  | Trubbish           |  0.00030% | 108    |  0.005% | 84     |  0.005% | 
 | 591  | Wingull            |  0.00029% | 48     |  0.002% | 30     |  0.002% | 
 | 592  | Lillipup           |  0.00028% | 35     |  0.002% | 23     |  0.001% | 
 | 593  | Foongus            |  0.00028% | 23     |  0.001% | 16     |  0.001% | 
 | 594  | Slugma             |  0.00028% | 17     |  0.001% | 16     |  0.001% | 
 | 595  | Gulpin             |  0.00027% | 29     |  0.001% | 24     |  0.001% | 
 | 596  | Panpour            |  0.00027% | 40     |  0.002% | 34     |  0.002% | 
 | 597  | Timburr            |  0.00027% | 39     |  0.002% | 31     |  0.002% | 
 | 598  | Ralts              |  0.00026% | 66     |  0.003% | 55     |  0.003% | 
 | 599  | Beldum             |  0.00024% | 29     |  0.001% | 29     |  0.002% | 
 | 600  | Snorunt            |  0.00024% | 24     |  0.001% | 20     |  0.001% | 
 | 601  | Spoink             |  0.00023% | 53     |  0.002% | 46     |  0.003% | 
 | 602  | Vanillish          |  0.00023% | 23     |  0.001% | 21     |  0.001% | 
 | 603  | Chingling          |  0.00023% | 98     |  0.005% | 96     |  0.006% | 
 | 604  | Numel              |  0.00023% | 79     |  0.004% | 68     |  0.004% | 
 | 605  | Tympole            |  0.00022% | 6      |  0.000% | 3      |  0.000% | 
 | 606  | Petilil            |  0.00021% | 19     |  0.001% | 16     |  0.001% | 
 | 607  | Ducklett           |  0.00021% | 27     |  0.001% | 21     |  0.001% | 
 | 608  | Vanillite          |  0.00021% | 35     |  0.002% | 31     |  0.002% | 
 | 609  | Blitzle            |  0.00021% | 20     |  0.001% | 17     |  0.001% | 
 | 610  | Meditite           |  0.00020% | 218    |  0.010% | 124    |  0.007% | 
 | 611  | Finneon            |  0.00020% | 26     |  0.001% | 24     |  0.001% | 
 | 612  | Kabuto             |  0.00019% | 86     |  0.004% | 73     |  0.004% | 
 | 613  | Spinarak           |  0.00019% | 27     |  0.001% | 20     |  0.001% | 
 | 614  | Combee             |  0.00018% | 44     |  0.002% | 33     |  0.002% | 
 | 615  | Makuhita           |  0.00018% | 12     |  0.001% | 10     |  0.001% | 
 | 616  | Darumaka           |  0.00018% | 37     |  0.002% | 35     |  0.002% | 
 | 617  | Gothita            |  0.00017% | 18     |  0.001% | 14     |  0.001% | 
 | 618  | Shellos            |  0.00016% | 29     |  0.001% | 20     |  0.001% | 
 | 619  | Mareep             |  0.00015% | 23     |  0.001% | 21     |  0.001% | 
 | 620  | Skiploom           |  0.00015% | 10     |  0.000% | 8      |  0.000% | 
 | 621  | Eelektrik          |  0.00015% | 29     |  0.001% | 25     |  0.001% | 
 | 622  | Pansear            |  0.00014% | 38     |  0.002% | 37     |  0.002% | 
 | 623  | Poochyena          |  0.00014% | 36     |  0.002% | 29     |  0.002% | 
 | 624  | Vullaby            |  0.00013% | 27     |  0.001% | 18     |  0.001% | 
 | 625  | Seel               |  0.00013% | 17     |  0.001% | 15     |  0.001% | 
 | 626  | Cascoon            |  0.00013% | 33     |  0.002% | 25     |  0.001% | 
 | 627  | Nidorina           |  0.00013% | 21     |  0.001% | 19     |  0.001% | 
 | 628  | NidoranM           |  0.00012% | 64     |  0.003% | 59     |  0.003% | 
 | 629  | Stunky             |  0.00012% | 31     |  0.001% | 26     |  0.002% | 
 | 630  | Hoothoot           |  0.00011% | 11     |  0.001% | 8      |  0.000% | 
 | 631  | Loudred            |  0.00009% | 34     |  0.002% | 30     |  0.002% | 
 | 632  | Snubbull           |  0.00009% | 22     |  0.001% | 17     |  0.001% | 
 | 633  | Sewaddle           |  0.00008% | 23     |  0.001% | 19     |  0.001% | 
 | 634  | Grimer             |  0.00007% | 9      |  0.000% | 7      |  0.000% | 
 | 635  | Silcoon            |  0.00007% | 22     |  0.001% | 18     |  0.001% | 
 | 636  | Swablu             |  0.00006% | 28     |  0.001% | 25     |  0.001% | 
 | 637  | Whismur            |  0.00004% | 7      |  0.000% | 6      |  0.000% | 
 | 638  | Venipede           |  0.00002% | 6      |  0.000% | 3      |  0.000% | 
 | 639  | Kricketot          |  0.00001% | 16     |  0.001% | 11     |  0.001% | 
 | 640  | Ekans              |  0.00000% | 5      |  0.000% | 5      |  0.000% | 
 + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +
As you can see, Metagross is in 49th place. Top 20 material like in previous generations? No. But the playing field is also littered with over 250 species lines at this point, and the Gen 5 OU playing field's top 20 is bombarded with legendaries. 49th place is pretty respectable for the cramped OU metagame, and places Metagross above such familiar OU faces as Kingdra (58th), Porygon2 (66th), Heracross (77th), and both Slowbro (65th) and Slowking (130th). With the exception of Kingdra, none of these is so common that you frequently see them in an OU team with a ranking above 1500 usually, but a) Kingdra. YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY, SIR! and b) the others are still common enough at lower rankings in OU, not to mention seen on rare occasion even at higher levels.

But if that doesn't do it for you, how about this: you keep pushing Gothitelle for his OU team, and her OU ranking for May 2013 was only 61st place. So you're either stupid for recommending Gothitelle, stupid for ridiculing the recommendation of Metagross, or both.
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I quite literally have my glasses off and may have missed the j/k, but still. You should quit making fun of Metagross recommendations if you're going to sit there and push for Gothitelle. You really can't have it both ways. ^^;
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I quite literally have my glasses off and may have missed the j/k, but still. You should quit making fun of Metagross recommendations if you're going to sit there and push for Gothitelle. You really can't have it both ways. ^^;
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Usage stats really aren't the catch all end all though. It is nice to use when you are preparing a team, but it really won't tell you much about one's viability in OU. Even when it was suspected, Tornadus-T was only in the 20s, far lower than Politoed, Scizor, Genesect etc. Some people don't use Gothitelle because of its steep learning curve(it really is a hard Pokemon to master), and many people use Metagross simply because it is from Gen IV and it is familiar. Metagross an fulfill a variety of roles, and that really is its saving point. You pretty much know what Ferrothorn does(other than C-Band, I'm not even sure why that set is even on the analysis anymore you never see it), Politoed is either offensive or defensive(and the counters really don't change either way), but Metagross can definitely be a pain to face if you aren't careful.

A lot of really good Pokemon though are low because of a steep difficulty curve. For example, Kingdra, Gothitelle, Victini, Slowbro etc. I can name an important flaw in all of those(Kingdra's reliance on opposing Rain, Gothitelle's lack of recovery, Victini's stat drops from V-create, Slowbro's weakness to voltTurn) that makes them harder to use. So, usage stats aren't really a good indicator.

And I take you didn't grab the 1850 stats did you?

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+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | Rank | Pokemon            | Usage %   | Raw    | %       | Real   | %       | 
 + ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | 1    | Scizor             | 28.21496% | 374397 | 17.454% | 298017 | 17.243% | 
 | 2    | Jirachi            | 23.30055% | 227436 | 10.603% | 186963 | 10.818% | 
 | 3    | Politoed           | 22.18541% | 300511 | 14.009% | 276091 | 15.975% | 
 | 4    | Keldeo             | 21.53491% | 163885 |  7.640% | 126882 |  7.341% | 
 | 5    | Tyranitar          | 19.99645% | 257283 | 11.994% | 221567 | 12.820% | 
 | 6    | Dragonite          | 18.44879% | 347029 | 16.178% | 271947 | 15.735% | 
 | 7    | Latios             | 17.51462% | 208898 |  9.738% | 164703 |  9.530% | 
 | 8    | Breloom            | 17.12504% | 253146 | 11.801% | 200615 | 11.608% | 
 | 9    | Ferrothorn         | 16.41276% | 354342 | 16.519% | 306123 | 17.712% | 
 | 10   | Rotom-Wash         | 16.16540% | 185018 |  8.625% | 161061 |  9.319% | 
 | 11   | Heatran            | 16.11261% | 250528 | 11.679% | 205769 | 11.906% | 
 | 12   | Landorus-Therian   | 16.01611% | 114593 |  5.342% | 98844  |  5.719% | 
 | 13   | Garchomp           | 15.64321% | 257587 | 12.008% | 202775 | 11.733% | 
 | 14   | Terrakion          | 15.04395% | 157387 |  7.337% | 117845 |  6.819% | 
 | 15   | Celebi             | 13.92480% | 137342 |  6.403% | 112245 |  6.495% | 
 | 16   | Skarmory           | 13.10229% | 173698 |  8.097% | 150958 |  8.735% | 
 | 17   | Starmie            | 13.07273% | 223311 | 10.410% | 175909 | 10.178% | 
 | 18   | Landorus           | 12.90527% | 99112  |  4.620% | 77278  |  4.471% | 
 | 19   | Latias             | 11.37075% | 100123 |  4.668% | 77804  |  4.502% | 
 | 20   | Tentacruel         | 10.72074% | 143527 |  6.691% | 114165 |  6.606% | 
 | 21   | Mamoswine          |  9.55792% | 126194 |  5.883% | 101488 |  5.872% | 
 | 22   | Forretress         |  8.93302% | 178168 |  8.306% | 154856 |  8.960% | 
 | 23   | Jellicent          |  8.64522% | 132557 |  6.180% | 109519 |  6.337% | 
 | 24   | Gengar             |  7.93813% | 259933 | 12.118% | 204564 | 11.836% | 
 | 25   | Thundurus-Therian  |  7.85810% | 125252 |  5.839% | 98812  |  5.717% | 
 | 26   | Ninetales          |  7.80672% | 206788 |  9.640% | 188103 | 10.884% | 
 | 27   | Alakazam           |  7.60410% | 227423 | 10.602% | 173879 | 10.061% | 
 | 28   | Volcarona          |  7.23241% | 209320 |  9.758% | 160995 |  9.315% | 
 | 29   | Lucario            |  6.90742% | 147175 |  6.861% | 114857 |  6.646% | 
 | 30   | Magnezone          |  6.79181% | 112530 |  5.246% | 90038  |  5.210% | 
 | 31   | Hippowdon          |  6.37110% | 74552  |  3.475% | 67167  |  3.886% | 
 | 32   | Salamence          |  6.10319% | 223046 | 10.398% | 170252 |  9.851% | 
 | 33   | Gliscor            |  5.98856% | 218164 | 10.170% | 172657 |  9.990% | 
 | 34   | Venusaur           |  5.73914% | 150759 |  7.028% | 116642 |  6.749% | 
 | 35   | Conkeldurr         |  5.59883% | 125361 |  5.844% | 100313 |  5.804% | 
 | 36   | Gyarados           |  5.56299% | 156141 |  7.279% | 125017 |  7.234% | 
 | 37   | Kyurem-Black       |  5.41608% | 104488 |  4.871% | 80293  |  4.646% | 
 | 38   | Donphan            |  5.08175% | 111487 |  5.197% | 94016  |  5.440% | 
 | 39   | Tornadus           |  4.78899% | 40692  |  1.897% | 31759  |  1.838% | 
 | 40   | Reuniclus          |  4.69674% | 75558  |  3.522% | 58573  |  3.389% | 
 | 41   | Dugtrio            |  4.55027% | 77649  |  3.620% | 62204  |  3.599% | 
 | 42   | Toxicroak          |  4.11090% | 104338 |  4.864% | 80313  |  4.647% | 
 | 43   | Hydreigon          |  3.88269% | 146210 |  6.816% | 114600 |  6.631% | 
 | 44   | Gastrodon          |  3.85733% | 76650  |  3.573% | 62620  |  3.623% | 
 | 45   | Cloyster           |  3.68161% | 222173 | 10.357% | 173834 | 10.058% | 
 | 46   | Infernape          |  3.67605% | 181214 |  8.448% | 146421 |  8.472% | 
 | 47   | Espeon             |  3.62135% | 187381 |  8.735% | 146276 |  8.464% | 
 | 48   | Bronzong           |  3.58396% | 39293  |  1.832% | 34367  |  1.988% | 
 | 49   | Vaporeon           |  3.33871% | 121569 |  5.667% | 96226  |  5.568% | 
 | 50   | Blissey            |  2.92273% | 157399 |  7.338% | 121260 |  7.016% | 
 | 51   | Weavile            |  2.89490% | 68621  |  3.199% | 54535  |  3.155% | 
 | 52   | Gothitelle         |  2.63733% | 25584  |  1.193% | 21026  |  1.217% | 
 | 53   | Victini            |  2.60720% | 58258  |  2.716% | 46415  |  2.686% | 
 | 54   | Jolteon            |  2.57485% | 163547 |  7.624% | 131722 |  7.622% | 
 | 55   | Chansey            |  2.44405% | 45166  |  2.106% | 35720  |  2.067% | 
 | 56   | Xatu               |  2.44309% | 22428  |  1.046% | 18385  |  1.064% | 
 | 57   | Metagross          |  2.42359% | 137071 |  6.390% | 111183 |  6.433% | 
 | 58   | Smeargle           |  2.40570% | 48855  |  2.278% | 41802  |  2.419% | 
 | 59   | Haxorus            |  2.28923% | 96680  |  4.507% | 73397  |  4.247% | 
 | 60   | Kingdra            |  2.28810% | 56006  |  2.611% | 44622  |  2.582% | 
 | 61   | Cresselia          |  2.19069% | 26285  |  1.225% | 21226  |  1.228% | 
 | 62   | Amoonguss          |  2.18795% | 16932  |  0.789% | 14109  |  0.816% | 
 | 63   | Abomasnow          |  2.16783% | 44751  |  2.086% | 40548  |  2.346% | 
 | 64   | Porygon2           |  1.88695% | 30222  |  1.409% | 24498  |  1.417% | 
 | 65   | Mew                |  1.76806% | 43980  |  2.050% | 37401  |  2.164% | 
 | 66   | Chandelure         |  1.64817% | 65692  |  3.062% | 52366  |  3.030% | 
 | 67   | Slowbro            |  1.62500% | 28649  |  1.336% | 23320  |  1.349% | 
 | 68   | Stoutland          |  1.58233% | 21522  |  1.003% | 16299  |  0.943% | 
 | 69   | Sableye            |  1.36497% | 61160  |  2.851% | 52086  |  3.014% | 
 | 70   | Zapdos             |  1.27784% | 35042  |  1.634% | 28566  |  1.653% | 
 | 71   | Azelf              |  1.25949% | 22859  |  1.066% | 20508  |  1.187% | 
 | 72   | Kyurem             |  1.14939% | 16160  |  0.753% | 12088  |  0.699% | 
 | 73   | Roserade           |  1.14452% | 26888  |  1.253% | 21663  |  1.253% | 
 | 74   | Ditto              |  1.13083% | 36146  |  1.685% | 27924  |  1.616% | 
 | 75   | Wobbuffet          |  1.03986% | 32020  |  1.493% | 26635  |  1.541% | 
 | 76   | Mienshao           |  0.98703% | 32046  |  1.494% | 26922  |  1.558% | 
 | 77   | Virizion           |  0.95232% | 16484  |  0.768% | 12800  |  0.741% | 
 | 78   | Cobalion           |  0.94004% | 10837  |  0.505% | 8926   |  0.516% | 
 | 79   | Heracross          |  0.88298% | 47881  |  2.232% | 36742  |  2.126% | 
 | 80   | Darmanitan         |  0.77610% | 41093  |  1.916% | 32535  |  1.882% | 
 | 81   | Ninjask            |  0.76284% | 70477  |  3.286% | 62999  |  3.645% | 
 | 82   | Nidoking           |  0.76001% | 31070  |  1.448% | 25020  |  1.448% | 
 | 83   | Staraptor          |  0.72392% | 38519  |  1.796% | 31187  |  1.805% | 
 | 84   | Snorlax            |  0.71213% | 58698  |  2.736% | 47440  |  2.745% | 
 | 85   | Blastoise          |  0.70981% | 39688  |  1.850% | 32763  |  1.896% | 
 | 86   | Sharpedo           |  0.65932% | 20974  |  0.978% | 16085  |  0.931% | 
 | 87   | Sawsbuck           |  0.63226% | 17845  |  0.832% | 13353  |  0.773% | 
 | 88   | Togekiss           |  0.61411% | 55098  |  2.569% | 43599  |  2.523% | 
 | 89   | Empoleon           |  0.60872% | 30669  |  1.430% | 24915  |  1.442% | 
 | 90   | Machamp            |  0.60839% | 47108  |  2.196% | 39836  |  2.305% | 
 | 91   | Azumarill          |  0.60474% | 19261  |  0.898% | 15138  |  0.876% | 
 | 92   | Arcanine           |  0.59091% | 66783  |  3.113% | 54439  |  3.150% | 
 | 93   | Meloetta           |  0.58963% | 17638  |  0.822% | 13829  |  0.800% | 
 | 94   | Raikou             |  0.57083% | 18196  |  0.848% | 14585  |  0.844% | 
 | 95   | Zoroark            |  0.57022% | 36512  |  1.702% | 17001  |  0.984% | 
 | 96   | Quagsire           |  0.56070% | 15350  |  0.716% | 12094  |  0.700% | 
 | 97   | Aerodactyl         |  0.55440% | 32181  |  1.500% | 28179  |  1.630% | 
 | 98   | Swampert           |  0.52520% | 59086  |  2.754% | 49625  |  2.871% | 
 | 99   | Shaymin            |  0.50515% | 9702   |  0.452% | 7559   |  0.437% | 
 | 100  | Feraligatr         |  0.50191% | 18573  |  0.866% | 14944  |  0.865% | 
 | 101  | Tangrowth          |  0.48808% | 14536  |  0.678% | 11424  |  0.661% | 
 | 102  | Umbreon            |  0.47170% | 62863  |  2.931% | 48469  |  2.804% | 
 | 103  | Cofagrigus         |  0.46492% | 17898  |  0.834% | 14814  |  0.857% | 
 | 104  | Suicune            |  0.46434% | 16728  |  0.780% | 13580  |  0.786% | 
 | 105  | Froslass           |  0.46396% | 35990  |  1.678% | 30448  |  1.762% | 
 | 106  | Charizard          |  0.46183% | 64399  |  3.002% | 51799  |  2.997% | 
 | 107  | Dusclops           |  0.45060% | 17187  |  0.801% | 14068  |  0.814% | 
 | 108  | Scrafty            |  0.43738% | 45852  |  2.138% | 36537  |  2.114% | 
 | 109  | Ludicolo           |  0.43027% | 31343  |  1.461% | 24392  |  1.411% | 
 | 110  | Moltres            |  0.40704% | 7629   |  0.356% | 6133   |  0.355% | 
 | 111  | Electivire         |  0.39756% | 50412  |  2.350% | 40532  |  2.345% | 
 | 112  | Whimsicott         |  0.39236% | 24839  |  1.158% | 20439  |  1.183% | 
 | 113  | Yanmega            |  0.38857% | 20815  |  0.970% | 16570  |  0.959% | 
 | 114  | Gallade            |  0.38593% | 38605  |  1.800% | 31271  |  1.809% | 
 | 115  | Uxie               |  0.38508% | 5844   |  0.272% | 5243   |  0.303% | 
 | 116  | Mr. Mime           |  0.38454% | 7752   |  0.361% | 4911   |  0.284% | 
 | 117  | Milotic            |  0.37446% | 38265  |  1.784% | 30393  |  1.759% | 
 | 118  | Rotom-Mow          |  0.34643% | 5619   |  0.262% | 4728   |  0.274% | 
 | 119  | Venomoth           |  0.34634% | 13880  |  0.647% | 11120  |  0.643% | 
 | 120  | Honchkrow          |  0.33932% | 23919  |  1.115% | 18399  |  1.065% | 
 | 121  | Gorebyss           |  0.33106% | 13873  |  0.647% | 11408  |  0.660% | 
 | 122  | Sandslash          |  0.33032% | 11262  |  0.525% | 8590   |  0.497% | 
 | 123  | Slowking           |  0.32525% | 14024  |  0.654% | 11529  |  0.667% | 
 | 124  | Lilligant          |  0.31819% | 16116  |  0.751% | 12243  |  0.708% | 
 | 125  | Hitmontop          |  0.31803% | 16136  |  0.752% | 12793  |  0.740% | 
 | 126  | Sigilyph           |  0.30712% | 25572  |  1.192% | 19533  |  1.130% | 
 | 127  | Crobat             |  0.30634% | 40826  |  1.903% | 33995  |  1.967% | 
 | 128  | Bisharp            |  0.29594% | 15792  |  0.736% | 12655  |  0.732% | 
 | 129  | Exeggutor          |  0.28537% | 16151  |  0.753% | 12358  |  0.715% | 
 | 130  | Ambipom            |  0.27537% | 28074  |  1.309% | 24296  |  1.406% | 
 | 131  | Flygon             |  0.25848% | 27073  |  1.262% | 21814  |  1.262% | 
 | 132  | Shedinja           |  0.22543% | 17735  |  0.827% | 12989  |  0.752% | 
 | 133  | Victreebel         |  0.22065% | 10515  |  0.490% | 8039   |  0.465% | 
 | 134  | Kabutops           |  0.21114% | 10326  |  0.481% | 7914   |  0.458% | 
 | 135  | Aron               |  0.21035% | 19494  |  0.909% | 14445  |  0.836% | 
 | 136  | Porygon-Z          |  0.20666% | 26638  |  1.242% | 20832  |  1.205% | 
 | 137  | Rotom-Heat         |  0.20294% | 13213  |  0.616% | 10750  |  0.622% | 
 | 138  | Seismitoad         |  0.20294% | 5276   |  0.246% | 4432   |  0.256% | 
 | 139  | Golurk             |  0.20053% | 16184  |  0.754% | 13309  |  0.770% | 
 | 140  | Magneton           |  0.19649% | 5800   |  0.270% | 4632   |  0.268% | 
 | 141  | Spiritomb          |  0.19238% | 15763  |  0.735% | 12926  |  0.748% | 
 | 142  | Sceptile           |  0.19126% | 32695  |  1.524% | 25434  |  1.472% | 
 | 143  | Jynx               |  0.19096% | 6620   |  0.309% | 4995   |  0.289% | 
 | 144  | Rhyperior          |  0.19080% | 20186  |  0.941% | 15900  |  0.920% | 
 | 145  | Nidoqueen          |  0.18328% | 6545   |  0.305% | 5526   |  0.320% | 
 | 146  | Lapras             |  0.17833% | 24331  |  1.134% | 19571  |  1.132% | 
 | 147  | Cinccino           |  0.17587% | 13480  |  0.628% | 10607  |  0.614% | 
 | 148  | Liepard            |  0.17513% | 14191  |  0.662% | 11680  |  0.676% | 
 | 149  | Aggron             |  0.17124% | 19943  |  0.930% | 15804  |  0.914% | 
 | 150  | Claydol            |  0.16954% | 12050  |  0.562% | 10044  |  0.581% | 
 | 151  | Lanturn            |  0.16732% | 12831  |  0.598% | 10655  |  0.617% | 
 | 152  | Gardevoir          |  0.16513% | 14838  |  0.692% | 11765  |  0.681% | 
 | 153  | Durant             |  0.16476% | 14894  |  0.694% | 12682  |  0.734% | 
 | 154  | Hitmonlee          |  0.16114% | 14667  |  0.684% | 11880  |  0.687% | 
 | 155  | Steelix            |  0.15747% | 13274  |  0.619% | 11066  |  0.640% | 
 | 156  | Riolu              |  0.14733% | 12249  |  0.571% | 9347   |  0.541% | 
 | 157  | Jumpluff           |  0.14220% | 7082   |  0.330% | 5680   |  0.329% | 
 | 158  | Krookodile         |  0.13494% | 20046  |  0.935% | 15877  |  0.919% | 
 | 159  | Shiftry            |  0.13216% | 10004  |  0.466% | 7643   |  0.442% | 
 | 160  | Walrein            |  0.13157% | 13564  |  0.632% | 10549  |  0.610% | 
 | 161  | Marowak            |  0.13146% | 8760   |  0.408% | 6905   |  0.400% | 
 | 162  | Eelektross         |  0.13015% | 22438  |  1.046% | 18818  |  1.089% | 
 | 163  | Accelgor           |  0.12948% | 11295  |  0.527% | 9218   |  0.533% | 
 | 164  | Pikachu            |  0.12856% | 16959  |  0.791% | 13454  |  0.778% | 
 | 165  | Typhlosion         |  0.12405% | 23194  |  1.081% | 18445  |  1.067% | 
 | 166  | Dusknoir           |  0.12035% | 17721  |  0.826% | 14502  |  0.839% | 
 | 167  | Klinklang          |  0.11995% | 3112   |  0.145% | 2455   |  0.142% | 
 | 168  | Shuckle            |  0.11825% | 18462  |  0.861% | 14199  |  0.822% | 
 | 169  | Volbeat            |  0.11439% | 6239   |  0.291% | 5267   |  0.305% | 
 | 170  | Medicham           |  0.11408% | 12650  |  0.590% | 10141  |  0.587% | 
 | 171  | Houndoom           |  0.11047% | 19489  |  0.909% | 15571  |  0.901% | 
 | 172  | Cradily            |  0.10523% | 14071  |  0.656% | 11128  |  0.644% | 
 | 173  | Scyther            |  0.10332% | 9210   |  0.429% | 7485   |  0.433% | 
 | 174  | Druddigon          |  0.09669% | 6378   |  0.297% | 5462   |  0.316% | 
 | 175  | Absol              |  0.09617% | 13510  |  0.630% | 10542  |  0.610% | 
 | 176  | Galvantula         |  0.09331% | 17162  |  0.800% | 13223  |  0.765% | 
 | 177  | Weezing            |  0.09225% | 9204   |  0.429% | 7512   |  0.435% | 
 | 178  | Glaceon            |  0.09211% | 15982  |  0.745% | 11634  |  0.673% | 
 | 179  | Magmortar          |  0.08572% | 12999  |  0.606% | 10436  |  0.604% | 
 | 180  | Leafeon            |  0.08315% | 16304  |  0.760% | 12468  |  0.721% | 
 | 181  | Omastar            |  0.07929% | 6888   |  0.321% | 5430   |  0.314% | 
 | 182  | Carracosta         |  0.07690% | 5805   |  0.271% | 4732   |  0.274% | 
 | 183  | Parasect           |  0.07616% | 4248   |  0.198% | 3241   |  0.188% | 
 | 184  | Clefable           |  0.07506% | 9407   |  0.439% | 7331   |  0.424% | 
 | 185  | Archeops           |  0.07367% | 12097  |  0.564% | 9639   |  0.558% | 
 | 186  | Torterra           |  0.07305% | 12929  |  0.603% | 10456  |  0.605% | 
 | 187  | Mawile             |  0.07228% | 1344   |  0.063% | 1040   |  0.060% | 
 | 188  | Altaria            |  0.07043% | 5737   |  0.267% | 4429   |  0.256% | 
 | 189  | Raichu             |  0.06906% | 10903  |  0.508% | 8922   |  0.516% | 
 | 190  | Rampardos          |  0.06899% | 8237   |  0.384% | 6313   |  0.365% | 
 | 191  | Crustle            |  0.06604% | 5867   |  0.274% | 4786   |  0.277% | 
 | 192  | Torkoal            |  0.06562% | 6751   |  0.315% | 5728   |  0.331% | 
 | 193  | Mismagius          |  0.06542% | 11696  |  0.545% | 9425   |  0.545% | 
 | 194  | Drapion            |  0.06540% | 17929  |  0.836% | 14981  |  0.867% | 
 | 195  | Luxray             |  0.06366% | 11108  |  0.518% | 9176   |  0.531% | 
 | 196  | Swellow            |  0.06345% | 8289   |  0.386% | 6397   |  0.370% | 
 | 197  | Mantine            |  0.06241% | 2233   |  0.104% | 1853   |  0.107% | 
 | 198  | Slaking            |  0.06228% | 9900   |  0.462% | 8237   |  0.477% | 
 | 199  | Mandibuzz          |  0.06220% | 4744   |  0.221% | 3866   |  0.224% | 
 | 200  | Samurott           |  0.06150% | 8697   |  0.405% | 7032   |  0.407% |
It is interesting to see Gothitelle above Metagross fufufufufufufufu.....

But like I said, usage stats don't show everything.
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Usage stats really aren't the catch all end all though.
You don't have to tell me that. I'm the one who is always, always telling you that. But you never shut up about them and so here we are. A bitter taste of your own medicine!

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And I take you didn't grab the 1850 stats did you?
No, but even then, Gothitelle only just barely inches out Metagross while Metagross still comes out ahead of Kingdra. Not to mention that all make a respectable showing of 60th place or higher, which is indeed pretty damn respectable when we're talking the 1850s. Regardless, I'm less interested in usage statistics for the top one hundred individuals on Smogon and am more interested in what people in general are finding to be viable. It has to be said that even within the tier that is OU, there are distinctly different metagames at the top, the middle, and the bottom levels of play. Sometimes a strategy that works well in the 1900s bombs horribly in the 1600s because of various presences or absences of various checks, counters, and targets.

Anyway, the point is you sound dumb every time you knock Metagross. UU it is not. BL it is is even not. It's OU.
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You don't have to tell me that. I'm the one who is always, always telling you that. But you never shut up about them and so here we are. A bitter taste of your own medicine!
But i usually only talk about them to get you to shut up about legends. :<


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No, but even then, Gothitelle only just barely inches out Metagross while Metagross still comes out ahead of Kingdra. Not to mention that all make a respectable showing of 60th place or higher, which is indeed pretty damn respectable when we're talking the 1850s. Regardless, I'm less interested in usage statistics for the top one hundred individuals on Smogon and am more interested in what people in general are finding to be viable. It has to be said that even within the tier that is OU, there are distinctly different metagames at the top, the middle, and the bottom levels of play. Sometimes a strategy that works well in the 1900s bombs horribly in the 1600s because of various presences or absences of various checks, counters, and targets.

Anyway, the point is you sound dumb every time you knock Metagross. UU it is not. BL it is is even not. It's OU.
People in general are stupid.

This is true(and why laddering is such a pain, because of the random fool who runs a completely different set that is stupid but manages to wreck 5/6ths of your team), but most of the time a lot of the usage of things come from the very bottom. Trust me, you rarely see Metagross in the middle level of play. That might just be luck though.

You might want to check out the Viability thread on Smogon. It isn't too bad(plus it puts Politoed as a possible suspect which you'll like[despite the obvious domination sun will have]). You might find it interesting.
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Be very, very careful running Breloom in today's metagame. That's my piece of advice, anyway.

By the way, I'm honestly a bit too knackered to figure out how much that'd affect you, but personally I'd drop Breloom for _something_ else, what exactly depends on what you want, and I thought I'd also mention that Landorus and Jirachi are reasonably syned, Landorus hits so hard on the special site it's fucked up, and either ScarfRachi or DefensiveRachi is good.

That's what I think anyway.
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quick question- are people playing on showdown or PO?
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I play Showdown, but I play PO When PS is down on occasion.
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My first match since the reset... and 'Kazam rape.

And this brings me to 3-0... was generally worried about this one.
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Oh God, why are people still using Riolu? That thing is terrible. Absolutely terrible. There is no end to what counters that thing. I would rather use Aron or Probopass than Riolu.
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Sand v. Sand... It get's pretty stally at the end.
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This rain team is meant for balanced offense but it ends up turning into stall every so often.

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How do you only have three moves on Mamoswine?
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  • Superpower
  • Stealth Rock
I find myself frequently, frequently wishing that I at least had these six moves. Six moves. And yet somehow you have only three.
That was because I got Ice Shard, Earthquake, and Superpower and couldn't figure out what else I wanted.

I eventually settled on Stone Edge for coverage but I still feel kind of nyeeeeeh was that the right choice...

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You don't have to have Alakazam if you don't like. Blaze was a bit disingenuous eager there. He's great, no doubt about it, but he's not a must-have. There are loads of excellent checks to a Keldeo for you to consider. (And to be perfectly honest, Gyarados isn't too bad of one and you already have him. Resists both STABs, can DD it up, may frighten away with Bounce, etc.)
Yeah, I thought about that one pretty quickly. It all depends on what exactly Keldeo does because I still don't know that. Never been interested enough in Unidonkey to care. :X

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As Blaze notes, your list of four is physical attacker-heavy, so special attackers or other roles would be things to consider before adding any more physical dudes. Assuming you want to keep the four you listed, you're really not hurting weaknesses-wise (good!), so I'll recommend a Steel type to offer some additional resistance to Dragon spam (and immunity to Toxic). Shop around and pick one you like. Skarmory could be helpful (as a hazards layer-down), and would free up Mamoswine to not have to run Stealth Rock. He might also invite special Electric or special Fire attacks, for each of which you have good switch-ins (Mamoswine and Gyarados). If you don't like the steel turkey, there's always Metagross, Jirachi, Forretress, Ferrothorn, Bronzong, a long list of good Steel types.
I'm thinking Forretress - he was my first wall and I still wub have a soft spot for him <3

And I was going to take Gardevoir for my special attacker and go for the Calm Mind. I could definitely replace Breloom though, since Rangeet said that he wasn't that good anymore? But I don't know why?

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Yeah, I know. At least if it's Choice scarf it's easier, cause Stealth Rock is stupid and there really is no need for Ice Shard unless you are THAT scared of Salamence. If we knew that he was going for, it would be easier to figure out. inb4EarthPower and Ice Beam
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Honestly, I would have suggested Landorus instead of Alakazam because Lando hits like 6 nukes in one package, but some people don't use legends(like yourself Mr. Jirachi :P ) so I refrained from it. Alakazam is probably one of the best non-legend special attackers, mostly because you can never OHKO the thing with Focus Sash(Cloyster and Breloom excepted, but you never switch them in unless they run Sash too.)
Lando was a bitch to me in BW. I have used hundreds of Ultra Balls on him and finally caved for the Master Ball. Ugh...might give him a try on PS, but I swear he's not going to be my favorite *cries*

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It's hard to think of any others that I have used. Gothitelle is pretty good because of Shadow Tag, it's just the lack of reliable recovery is so annoying. >.> The thing is I need to know how this team is built and what you want to guard against. That is the only way I can make serious suggestions....
Ok.

What I need is a team that will deal heavy damage and guard against common threats without being gimmicky. I need Babby's First OU team + pokemon I actually like.

The problem is that I do not have any comp experience beyond the casual play-with-friends, and I don't want to start off with just the cheese. Even my beloved Shuckle can wait until I am ready to learn the finer points of comp.

I do really enjoy strategy games, hence why I can pull off a win every so often
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[QUOTE=Shuckle;462232]That was because I got Ice Shard, Earthquake, and Superpower and couldn't figure out what else I wanted.

I eventually settled on Stone Edge for coverage but I still feel kind of nyeeeeeh was that the right choice...[/SPOILER]

In this case, your item should probably be either a Life Orb for power or a Choice Scarf. Life Orb is preferred for obvious reasons.

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Yeah, I thought about that one pretty quickly. It all depends on what exactly Keldeo does because I still don't know that. Never been interested enough in Unidonkey to care. :X
Keldeo is the rain special sweeper. 129 Special Attack, Hydro Pump, 108 Speed, and Secret Sword, which allows it to 2HKO every Chansey and Blissey variant. Keldeo can just clean up a weakened team quickly. Celebi is probably the best counter for it outside of HP Bug.

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I'm thinking Forretress - he was my first wall and I still wub have a soft spot for him <3
Forry isn't bad at all, but you might find him a little difficult to use because of the lack of reliable recovery.

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And I was going to take Gardevoir for my special attacker and go for the Calm Mind. I could definitely replace Breloom though, since Rangeet said that he wasn't that good anymore? But I don't know why?
Breloom is still really good...but so is Garchomp and Salamence and Dragonite and Keldeo and every other over-prepared threat.

*insert how CM Jirachi outclasses CM Gardevoir*

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NEXT ON THE LIST: SPECIAL SWEEPER HAXORUS

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Lando was a bitch to me in BW. I have used hundreds of Ultra Balls on him and finally caved for the Master Ball. Ugh...might give him a try on PS, but I swear he's not going to be my favorite *cries*
Landorus mostly makes use of a powerful Sheer Force set. Sheer Force boosts the power of any move with a secondary effect by 20%. And cancels LO recoil. Landorus has a very nice base 110 special attack. And Earth Power. See where I am going?

If I remember correctly, Focus Blast does about 40% to Blissey. Which means it can even muscle through Blissey. The only Pokemon who can really counter him is Celebi, and I run U-Turn cause FUUKCELEBII!!!!!

Ok.

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What I need is a team that will deal heavy damage and guard against common threats without being gimmicky. I need Babby's First OU team + pokemon I actually like.

The problem is that I do not have any comp experience beyond the casual play-with-friends, and I don't want to start off with just the cheese. Even my beloved Shuckle can wait until I am ready to learn the finer points of comp.

I do really enjoy strategy games, hence why I can pull off a win every so often
I've noticed. :P

Anyways, it seems like what you are looking for is balance. Balance is really hard to do without weather. Seriously. Here are some recommended teammates.

-Landorus-T : Intimidate + 140 Attack
-Reuinculus: Fits well on balance, abusing good bulk and massive power
-Aggron: Suicide lead that either takes out two Pokemon or just one and sets up Rocks
-Tornadus: Either Prankster Rain Dance + Hurricane or Pranster Sub + Bulk Up + Acrobatics. Prankster is the key here, ruining Stall
-Terrakion: Really needs Sand to work in balance, but Taunt Terrakion is just mean. Really nice STABs complete the set
-Jirachi: SubCM Jirachi is an absolute terror. REALLY needs Rain, but if you got it, Thunder + Flash Cannon just wrecks
-Latias: Really screws over Keldeo, and Sets up Calm Mind easily

This is the ones I can think of at the moment, but most balance either ends up being Rain Balance or Sand Balance.

And Talon and I tend to be on, so I can battle you and see how you do.
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I run Focus Sash on my Mamoswine and find that it's a generally great item for him to have with an Ice Shard set.
Choice Scarf: totally viable, but if you're going to do this then you may as well run Icicle Crash / Earthquake / Superpower / Stone Edge and get it over with. Do this though and you'll cry bitter tears as you fail to outspeed faster/higher priority users or just plain faster Pokémon (like a twice or thrice DD'd Pokémon)

Life Orb: Sure, it affords extra damage, but fuck that recoil, man. Mamoswine doesn't want that shit. He's deceptively fragile as is, yes, but that's no reason to go rushing him into the grave either. If you're gonna do this, why not just run a Fighting Gem or a Rock Gem for extra punch for when you really need it?

Focus Sash: this converts Mamoswine into an excellent surprise revenge killer. There's only one catch: no entry hazards on the field, please! But with smart use of a Rapid Spinner on your team, you can ensure that Mamoswine gets out there safely and completely forks over the competition. I can't tell you how many times I've had this happen:
  • use Earthquake against physically defensive Volcarona, fail to OHKO; Volcarona QDs; Volcarona strikes first next turn with a move sure to OHKO ... except OH SNAP! FOCUS SASH!; and then I 2HKO that same turn with a second Earthquake
  • Dragonite uses DD and Outrages, killing my currently-out guy; switch in Mamoswine; use Ice Shard against him, fail to OHKO; Dragonite strikes for the throat with another Outrage salvo, but ... FOCUS SASH!; Mamoswine completes the 2HKO next turn
There are other scenarios too, but I see these often enough that they stand out in my mind. Nothing bar nothing beats the value of a Pokémon who can revenge kill someone's Quiver Dancer or Dragon Dancer. And Focus Sash very often allows Mamoswine to be that Pokémon.
Personally, I would rank the choices Focus Sash > Choice Scarf > Life Orb. But that's not to say that Life Orb is a bad recommendation nor that it can't be better in specific situations. I've often considered swapping Focus Sash off of my own Mamoswine, despite the boons noted above, simply because of the temptation to swap off Ice Shard for Icicle Crash and to plant a Choice Scarf back on there, making him a different breed of revenge killer in his own right ... though not one that can really handle your average QD or DD spammer imo.
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Recently, Random battles has been giving me a hard time, or at least something where my team was onsided to the point where one pokemon ruins me. The match before this, this pokemon was Archeops vs. a team of Wurmple/Slakoth/Exeggutor/Toxicroak/Gallade/Scrafty. (killed Archeops, but a Darumaka ripped through who was left)

this time, it was Golbat
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Hint: names of pokemon were Ampere, Watt, Joule, Volta, Newton, and Ohm.
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Probably my best played UU battle in quite a while.

I'm actually really happy with this team. It's 4-0 (two wins under phoopes, two wins under phUUpes) and I haven't run into anything that's completely stumped me yet. Sure it helps that I made some great predictions (like in that last battle, Pory2 staying in on Cobalion comes to mind), but I think the team is solid. I've had a way to deal with every threat that's been thrown at me so far and that makes me very very happy. Small sample size but I like the way things are shaping up so far. I got the inspiration for certain parts of the team from this Smogcast.
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Otherwise known as my FB woobat is very happy after seeing this. Yeah basically we both lead with the same Pokemon. First time that has happened to me.
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Have been procrastinating sharing stuff because I've saved over 100 logs at this point that I wanted to show you guys and I know no one will want to read them or watch that many battles @_@ ... but suffice to say:
  • I've made Top 50 for Random Battle via Juisho (15 W 2 L 0 T). The bold score is 2003.
  • I've made Top 200, I believe, for Random Battle via the alt Suisho (78 W 39 L 0 T, I believe). The bold score is somewhere in the 1900s, though I forget exactly what.
  • I've made Top 5 for the Challenge Cup via Juisho. (I forget the scores.) Highest unofficial ranking was 1st place by bold score. Highest official ranking was 2nd place, but a few people have since officially scored higher than me.
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