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Old 02-09-2017, 01:40 PM   #7401
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Kimi no Na wa

Now comes the hammer, sorry. I will say that pretty much everyone on this forum has too high a power level to be moved to tears by this story. The plot, and all its developments, are things we've all seen before en masse. It is so common, it detracts from the story. In fact, there was an anime released just last year which pretty much stole Kimi no Na wa's thunder. You guys will know what I'm talking about if you decide to watch this.
I was moved to tears by the "final" climax, but I will admit the story developments are riddled with clichés/flaws. (Frankly my biggest concern for people on this forum is that the plot holes will hamper their enjoyment.) It's nothing we haven't seen before, in animé or other forms of fiction, or from Shinkai himself. But it does the formula well, knowing when to hit that emotional high point. I liken it to Moana, which I watched recently. It follows the Disney formula and tries to be tongue-in-cheek by coyly acknowledging it - though that doesn't stop it from being predictable at every turn. Still, both are nice, enjoyable films that turn out some surprising feels by the end. As Dopple said: "cute, fun, pure and easy to digest".

And I think the key word there is "fun". The first half of the film is legitimately a rather hilarious romp through all the shenanigans the characters get into. That's something neither Shinkai or even Miyazaki has been able to master before IMO, as both their movies tend to be meandering and melancholic even during "lighthearted" portions. If anything, I'd liken Makoto Shinkai more to Mamoru Hosoda (the director of The Girl Who Leapt Through Time and Wolf Children) now with this endeavor. Hosoda's films have a way of being thoroughly entertaining from start to finish, while also achieving some heartwrenching/warming moments. Shinkai tried to mimic Miyazaki in Children Who Chase Lost Voices, but fell into the same trap of becoming so bloated by its own fantasy world at the cost of characterization and story progression. Shinkai struck a nice balance here, and it paid off. (I remember reading somewhere that at a pre-screening, he walked around the room and was pleasantly surprised by the amount of laughter in the audience. I really think it's a testament to the strength of the film itself that it was able to keep me engaged even with the low quality of the rip I saw, rather than resorting to just ogling the pretty animation.) It is still very much a "Shinkai film", focusing on the typical theme of "starcrossed lovers forced apart by some kind of distance/phenomenon", but is also just a "feel-good" film, keeping the romance lowkey compared to the characters' actual charming/comical interactions (to the point where I was hopeful that the relationship wouldn't turn out to be romantic - but alas).

I'm curious now though, Dopple: Which 2016 animé are you referring to in relation? The only one I can think of is

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Boku Dake ga Inai Machi


Incidentally, someone just alerted me to the fact that RADWIMPS released full English versions of the soundtrack's insert songs. Although... The lyrics sound weirdly similar to a girl's English covers on YT. (See official "Sparkle" and hers for comparison.) I see one of the comments suggest they maybe talked it over and she's either getting royalties or the band loaned her the lyrics during production. No idea what the story is there, but I hope the proper people are getting credit.

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Old 02-10-2017, 04:08 AM   #7402
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I was moved to tears by the "final" climax, but I will admit the story developments are riddled with clichés/flaws. (Frankly my biggest concern for people on this forum is that the plot holes will hamper their enjoyment.) It's nothing we haven't seen before, in animé or other forms of fiction, or from Shinkai himself. But it does the formula well, knowing when to hit that emotional high point. I liken it to Moana, which I watched recently. It follows the Disney formula and tries to be tongue-in-cheek by acknowledging it - though that doesn't stop it from being predictable at every turn. Still, both are nice, enjoyable films that turn out some surprising feels by the end. As Dopple said: "cute, fun, pure and easy to digest".

And I think the key word there is "fun". The first half of the film is legitimately a rather hilarious romp through all the shenanigans the characters get into. That's something neither Shinkai or even Miyazaki has been able to master before IMO, as both their movies tend to be meandering and melancholic even during "lighthearted" portions. If anything, I'd liken Makoto Shinkai more to Mamoru Hosoda (the director of The Girl Who Leapt Through Time and Wolf Children) now with this endeavor. Hosada's films have a way of being thoroughly entertaining from start to finish, while also achieving some heartwrenching/warming moments. Shinkai tried to mimic Miyazaki in Children Who Chase Lost Voices, but fell into the same trap of becoming so bloated by its own fantasy world at the cost of characterization and story progression. Shinkai struck a nice balance here, and it paid off. (I remember reading somewhere that at a pre-screening, he walked around the room and was pleasantly surprised by the amount of laughter in the audience. I really think it's a testament to the strength of the film itself that it was able to keep me engaged even with the low quality of the rip I saw, rather than resorting to just ogling the pretty animation.) It is still very much a "Shinkai film", focusing on the typical theme of "starcrossed lovers forced apart by some kind of distance/phenomenon", but is also just a "feel-good" film, keeping the romance lowkey compared to the characters' actual charming/comical interactions (to the point where I was hopeful that the relationship wouldn't turn out to be romantic - but alas).
I guess it's fair to say the first two parts were very Miyazaki-like, and the last two parts were pure Shinkai. Like, copypasta Shinkai. Those early parts were funny/whimsical, and being well-worn didn't force me to dislike them.

No, what I actively disliked was the third part, where the cliche was out in the open. There were some cool bits in there, and some touching romantic bits, but you could really cut that third part out and the movie wouldn't be affected much?

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I'm curious now though, Dopple: Which 2016 animé are you referring to in relation? The only one I can think of is

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Boku Dake ga Inai Machi
You nailed it. The similarities are there, and that anime fit the episodic formula a lot better than Kimi no Na wa did the movie format.

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Incidentally, someone just alerted me to the fact that RADWIMPS released full English versions of the soundtrack's insert songs. Although... The lyrics sound weirdly similar to a girl's English covers on YT. (See official "Sparkle" and hers for comparison.) I see one of the comments suggest they maybe talked it over and she's either getting royalties or the band loaned her the lyrics during production. No idea what the story is there, but I hope the proper people are getting credit.
It's possible, I've heard NicoNico stars got hired for singing songs based on their English proficiency. The video serves as something like a demo tape.
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:34 PM   #7403
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No, what I actively disliked was the third part, where the cliche was out in the open. There were some cool bits in there, and some touching romantic bits, but you could really cut that third part out and the movie wouldn't be affected much?
The "twist" is something you'll likely either love or hate, though I think pretty much everyone here can see it coming a mile away.

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You nailed it. The similarities are there, and that anime fit the episodic formula a lot better than Kimi no Na wa did the movie format.
Personally I think I prefer the movie format more, since the animé stagnated at some points. The film kept it fairly tight and well-paced, except for maybe the third act as you mentioned.
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Youjo Senki is on break this week (recap), so I don't have any new anime updates. But I do have a manga one -

Kumo desu ga, nani ka?

I kind of forced this onto BBB but it's really fun. It's like Re:Monster with all of the flaws fixed up. Instead of a handsome alpha male reincarnated into a handsome alpha male who creates his own interspecies harem, you have a Japanese school girl reincarnated as a giant spider. She is cute and has a fun personality.

The story focus is also quite different. Re:Zero became a power fantasy really quickly and the ability gain got out of hand. The main character was never challenged after the early part of the story and just crushed/raped everything afterward with overwhelming power.

Kumo desu ga reads like something out of Discovery Channel, a fight for survival. The main character has to judge threats and often runs away from them, hides, and preys on things that are weaker than herself. Sometimes she's forced into a battle with a stronger opponent or numerically superior opponent, and in pretty much every battle she's forced to use tactics that are the product of her human mind.

At one point in the story she meets another of her species, an evolved form, and all it does is rush at prey and overwhelm it with force. She comments that she's never actually gone mano-y-mano with prey, and has always used tactics or subterfuge to get food. It's a clear reminder that the story is actually focused on survival.

It reminds me of an RPG-themed version of Crimsons, sort of. Crimsons was the life cycle of the sockeye salmon with shounen tropes, but it was pretty loyal to facts barring the supernatural elements like instinct. Kumo desu ga isn't loyal to facts, but the main character does employ the same kind of tactics as real spiders: sticky traps, trap doors, poison, ambush and retreat. Combined with her personality it's a great read.

If this continues, and I don't know where it will end, I'd rate it as an Excellent. Not a deep series but a very fun one!

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Oh I'm also playing a certain game.
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Kumo desu ga, nani ka?

I read the light novel of this, until its premature end (due to the translator quitting).

You know what this reminds me the most of? Konosuba. It's Konosuba with real stakes, starring Aqua alone.

The story is really one of two halves. The first one is of "Kumo-chan" doing whatever she can to survive. It has a clear direction, is fun and exciting. Then the twists start to roll out. The second part is a little strange and has less direction. It's definitely a step down, if only because I don't get it.

I'd rate the first part of Kumo ga an Outstanding, because while not super deep, it hit every other positive. The second part is...Mediocre? Translations ended before I could tell.

Oh, I skipped most of the side stories as well. I felt they took away from the main story.
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I just finished Occultic;Nine.

God that show was terrible the first episode and then pretty meh for the following few, but episode 6 onward was a nonstop thrill ride.

Despite the numerous times this show obviously speeds up the pace to cram everything into 12 episodes... I give it a solid 8/10. I recommend it.

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