UPNetwork  

Go Back   UPNetwork > General Forums > POKÉMON

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-25-2019, 11:15 PM   #5051
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
Mono Water VS Mono Ice.

This one was a big closer and for some stupid reason I didn't anticipate the Lapras would have Water Absorb. Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2019, 01:33 AM   #5052
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
I'm starting to face KB, as I knew I would. Surprisingly, it's not been as horrible as I anticipated.

The main issue is that dynamax KB has no way of blocking Intimidate, and the most common variant using LO erodes KB's biggest feature: the huge HP. While I can't outspeed KB, I've been able to wear it down through intimidates keeping its attack at a manageable level. This might have just been a bad player, though.

I've also had a surprising amount of trouble with Ferrothorn, unlike in Gen VIII OU. And for the most part I'm seeing fewer Z-Move and Mega users, and far more dynamax abusers.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2019, 05:39 AM   #5053
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
Mega VS Dynamax, is Tyranitar bulky enough to eat a hit?
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2019, 06:28 AM   #5054
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
I've made it up to 1400 in the beta ladder but it's harder to progress because fewer high elo players are online.

My conclusion is that as busted as Ash-Greninja is with dynamax, Kartana is worse. Kartana is magnitudes worse than Gyarados, as this replay will showcase.

Leaf Blade
Smart Strike
Sacred Sword

All of these have the ability to snowball with dynamax. Killing something with Max Knuckle is a free Swords Dance boost. Killing something with Max Overgrowth summons Grassy Terrain for another double attack. And Max Steelspike adds +1 defense and makes Kartana even harder to break with physical attacks.

Like Gyarados and Ash-Greninja, it's the perfect synergy of offensive pressure. But unlike Gyarados, who needs to DD, Scarf Kartana returns to using Scarf after the dynamax ends.

Also, Dragapult's lack of a physical Ghost-STAB? Fixed by Z-Moves. The only reason I don't use Dragonium Z is I'm not sure Dragon Darts will work with it. But Phantom Force absolutely will.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2019, 09:55 PM   #5055
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
They unbanned Zygarde-Complete.

Why?

???
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2019, 07:51 AM   #5056
Emi
Barghest Barghest Barghe-
 
Emi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 12,068
Send a message via Skype™ to Emi
Dracovish is too strong, that's vvhy. /s
__________________
Emi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2019, 08:45 AM   #5057
Emi
Barghest Barghest Barghe-
 
Emi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 12,068
Send a message via Skype™ to Emi
Verlisify made a video about how Dracovish is overrated, and if that isn't a big flat glowing endorsement I don't know what is.
__________________
Emi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2019, 09:17 AM   #5058
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
In natdex, it is overrated in a sense.

Like with Darmanintan-G, the best set is scarf because it guarantees kills against anything that doesn't resist water or specially defensive walls, but a physically defensive Toxapex can check it.

The horrifying set is band, scarf + rain, or band + rain...all of which I have used, and it is admittedly impressive. But just throwing Dracovish in a team randomly isn't going to get the most out of it.

But, I've already seen the future. There are a few people on natdex who are using teams with the likes of:

Dracovish
Dracozolt
Darmanintan-G
Kartana

All scarfed. Zolt's Hustle Bolt Beak hits a little harder than Vish's Fishious Rend, and the two are only resisted by Dragon...who Darmanintan takes care of. Kartana rounds out the "unga bunga" attackers. All of them are dynamax threats.

Pretty lame.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2019, 12:42 PM   #5059
sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat
Thunder Badge
 
sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Dragonland
Posts: 615
dude, it's Darmanitan. not Darmanintan.
__________________
Dracen, Dragon Trainer

Cy, Bug Trainer


FB Profile
sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2019, 10:03 PM   #5060
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
Zygarde-C is so stupid and a huge threat. Look at this BS, even hitting it with x4 super-effective moves isn't enough.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 04:28 AM   #5061
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
Blissey/Chansey are infuriating and I'm glad they're gone! Breaking stall but only barely, due to the initial lucky kill of Ferrothorn.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 08:34 AM   #5062
Emi
Barghest Barghest Barghe-
 
Emi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 12,068
Send a message via Skype™ to Emi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger View Post
Zygarde-C is so stupid and a huge threat. Look at this BS, even hitting it with x4 super-effective moves isn't enough.
Zapdos can't kill Rhyperior vvith HP Grass so I'm not sure vvhat this is indicative of tbh

God that Zygarde player vvas a fucking moron
__________________
Emi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 09:55 AM   #5063
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
HP Ice from that Mega Manectric was able to kill Lando-T, then I did calcs and realized that Lando-T's own HP Ice can kill other Lando-T. I knew Lando ran it for coverage, but I didn't think it killed. I don't use Lando much so I was previously unaware of this interaction.

Coming off the stronger 130 SpA, I thought Zygarde would also go down to the HP Ice. The inability to deal with that Pokemon is why I ended up going back to Kyurem-B.

88 turns to kill stall, I could hear the seething through my computer screen when I set up the Stealth Rock. That was what won in the end.

KB is pretty dumb with the sub set but we need wallbreakers like this to break stall cores. Dynamax isn't enough.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2019, 07:26 PM   #5064
phoopes
Double Dragon
 
phoopes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,776
Dracovish is an absolute abomination to look at

but it's the kind of absolute abomination that I would use on my team to cheese victories lmao
__________________
phoopes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2019, 10:45 PM   #5065
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
Stall is literally everywhere. But it seems like the better players are at the bottom of the ladder, with those higher up getting so far only due to ragequits.

Like this guy, possibly the worst stall player I've played in Gen VIII. Certainly that 1000 elo battle was a lot harder than this was.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2019, 05:59 AM   #5066
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
I've seen this meme team before and I've beaten it, but it's annoying as fudge to play against.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2019, 12:22 AM   #5067
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
I thought I had no chance, behold the power of Dynamax.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2019, 08:04 AM   #5068
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
Got lucky this gent decided to Volt Switch with Galvantula, instead of Sticky Web.

Dracovish has certainly been a huge help for offense, but I'm still struggling with defensive options. I really need something that can handle Grass not named Azumarill. If only Sap Sipper could run Seismic Toss, she'd be usable.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2019, 12:40 PM   #5069
Heather
Naga's Voice
 
Heather's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: somewhere gay idk
Posts: 3,279
Dracovish is just 40 flavors of obnoxious. Fishious is 170 before strong jaw to anything slower than it.

I'm never a fan of Pokémon that just say "you automatically lose if you're slower at all regardless of anything else, fuck you."
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveTheFishGuy View Post
Quoth the Honchkrow (nevermore!).
Fizzy Member Post: Catherine Park
Heather is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 06:39 AM   #5070
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
TIL: Gengar can break through Cosmic Power Clefable using Hex and Will-o-Wisp.

It's too bad Gengar doesn't have Thunder Wave because that's so much better.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 07:46 AM   #5071
Emi
Barghest Barghest Barghe-
 
Emi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 12,068
Send a message via Skype™ to Emi
Gengar can also use SubDisable to force it out.
__________________
Emi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 08:05 AM   #5072
Doppleganger
我が名は勇者王!
 
Doppleganger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Emina Isle
Posts: 14,198
Send a message via AIM to Doppleganger
I'm using Gengar as I attempt to qualify for the Dynamax suspect. It's hard to set up because the only thing Gengar can come in on is Toxapex, and Scarf Dragapult is everywhere.

Dragapult itself is very hard to check in the OU meta proper, and I've found that Ditto (even without Dynamax) can reverse sweep just by transforming into a Dragapult on a free switch.
__________________
あなたの勇気が切り開く未来
ふたりの想いが見つけだす希望
今 信じあえる
あきらめない 心かさね
永遠を抱きしめて
Doppleganger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 11:47 AM   #5073
sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat
Thunder Badge
 
sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Dragonland
Posts: 615
I have zero interest in anything y'all are saying. Technical-type deals are beyond me.... but I can say with full honesty that I hate rotom in all its forms, and dracovish too.
__________________
Dracen, Dragon Trainer

Cy, Bug Trainer


FB Profile
sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 12:15 PM   #5074
Median Dia
Thankful For The Results
 
Median Dia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Past the Ledge
Posts: 2,184
Quote:
Originally Posted by sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat View Post
but I can say with full honesty that I hate rotom in all its forms, and dracovish too.

As someone who really likes Rotom-Mow and dracovish (seriously, I did not expect to actually be good), this saddens me. Rotom-Wash is a putz, though.

On a different note, can someone with a bit more hands-on knowledge judge the validity of this summary image?
Spoiler: show
Median Dia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 12:23 PM   #5075
sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat
Thunder Badge
 
sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Dragonland
Posts: 615
"lovely weather today" "how did I get here" "HYDRO PUUUMP" and "how fast are you? yes" are unimaginably correct. However, I think we need to cram Moxie into Gyarados's summary.
__________________
Dracen, Dragon Trainer

Cy, Bug Trainer


FB Profile
sixdragons_in_atrenchcoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   UPNetwork > General Forums > POKÉMON


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:30 AM.


Design By: Miner Skinz.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.