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Old 11-19-2016, 03:58 PM   #1776
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Mareanie is probably my favorite Water-type, and has got to be the cutest thing ever. I need a Mareanie in Fizzy Bubbles.
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Old 11-20-2016, 02:37 AM   #1777
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Pyukumuku. It was love at first sight. I mean, come on:



So adorable!

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And then I discover that it doesn't learn a single offensive move.

That the only ways it can be used in Singles are beyond pathetic ...

That even in Doubles it's not the best partner in the world ...

Y U DO THIS TO ME, GAME FREK? -____-

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Maybe if I'm lucky this is going to be Carbink all over again and an adorable sea slug or sea cucumber princess is waiting around the corner with great moves and better stats. Sure would be nice. *sigh*
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:38 AM   #1778
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Mareanie is probably my favorite Water-type, and has got to be the cutest thing ever. I need a Mareanie in Fizzy Bubbles.
Outside of Surskit and Lanturn, I'd have to agree there.

I've loved its design since its TCG Leaked and tbh it and Cutiefly have my favourite designs this Gen.


Can't wait to get one when I decide to PASBL again




Also having gone over some stats for my planned ingame team

Jesus christ Minior is fucking ridiculous.
That thing is guaranteed OU.
So glad it isn't trash but still


also shiny minior is fabulous and i must have it
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:29 PM   #1779
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Old 11-21-2016, 03:02 AM   #1780
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Why is Minior good? It appears to be trash?
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:55 AM   #1781
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Why is Minior good? It appears to be trash?
What about Minior is trash
(Outside weak to priority)

Its immune to statuses above 50% HP and has 100 Defenses, meaning it can easily set up a Shell Smash or two, and below 50% HP it can sweep

Its Movepool is prett6 diverse and is only really lacking Flying Type STAB, which it honestly doesn't care about too much in terms of coverage
It can go mixed easily too since it gets Power Gem.



Also Shiny Minior is best Gen VII Shiny
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:34 AM   #1782
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What about Minior is trash
(Outside weak to priority)

Its immune to statuses above 50% HP and has 100 Defenses, meaning it can easily set up a Shell Smash or two, and below 50% HP it can sweep

Its Movepool is prett6 diverse and is only really lacking Flying Type STAB, which it honestly doesn't care about too much in terms of coverage
It can go mixed easily too since it gets Power Gem.



Also Shiny Minior is best Gen VII Shiny
In what reality is Minior lacking Flying-type STAB? White Herb Shell Smash, you couldn't ask for a more perfect way to set up that Acrobatics.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:41 AM   #1783
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Minior is really solid but its very much like Cloyster: it excels at one thing and one thing only and is pretty terrible otherwise. I suspect it'll fit solidly into UU, honestly.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:15 PM   #1784
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Yes but unlike cloyster it's immune to status which is what potentially elevates it to OU.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:18 PM   #1785
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Not really. Immunity to status doesn't really make it a game changer. It's going to come in on things that it can scare out, usually by threatening a revenge kill, and then boost up. Walls that commonly use status, such as Rotom-W, Mega Sableye, and Toxapex all handle it with ease because of their solid bulk, typing, and the ability to hit Minior hard. In addition, Minior is very lackluster against offensive teams who will snipe it easily. Not to mention that because of Pelipper DrizzleSwim is back in full force and Minior has serious issues defeating Pokemon like Mega Swampert or Feraligatr.

Like, its really good, but OU is just not kind to it and it will probably be UU.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:50 PM   #1786
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I guess that a lead in question on how viable are the new Pokemon, move, abilities and so on in competitive Pokemon? While I've yet to play the game as by 3DS is busted and I don't have the money to get a new one, I've been reading up a bunch about Sun and Moon. The Pokemon of this gen seem rather slow on average which doesn't bode too well. Which gen 7 pokemon do you think are viable in OU? Are Z-moves as meta-game changing as Megas were? Are some abilities powerful enough to make up for lackluster stats, such as Dazzle Bruxish? Any new strategies going to be showing up?
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:36 PM   #1787
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New mons: At higher tiers, I think the UBs are likely to be the only ones with much real presence. Most Alolan mons suffer from either bad typing, bad movepools or just poor stats.

Z-Moves: The only time I think you'll see Z-moves are on Pokemon that are already coming in to blitz things. They'll certainly punch holes, but in reality I doubt they'll see much usage because the usual item sets aren't one-shot nukes that then leave you holding a useless item.

New strats: They seem to be pushing terrains and weather again with new setters for all, and what with the relative plethora of Hail-reliant abilities and moves, I can see Hail teams coming into the picture. Rain teams will likely make a return because Pelipper, and as I think someone's mentioned before, RaiKoko in doubles is downright bonkers.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:41 PM   #1788
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I still stand firm that Z-Conversion Porygon-Z is crazy.
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:49 PM   #1789
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Holy shit this game is so good. Just arrived on Ula'Ula Island (after doing some serious backtracking and such) and I'm really happy with my squad.

Decidueye
Toucannon
Charjabug
Oricorio
Lycanroc
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All Level 36. I haven't decided what kind of Oricorio I want yet but this looks like the final squad. Besides evolving Charjabug, which I know is location-based but I have no idea where lol.
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:57 PM   #1790
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Holy shit this game is so good. Just arrived on Ula'Ula Island
Holy shit, can you catch a giant yellow frog there?

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Old 11-21-2016, 07:23 PM   #1791
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In what reality is Minior lacking Flying-type STAB? White Herb Shell Smash, you couldn't ask for a more perfect way to set up that Acrobatics.
Meant Special Flying, but yeah Acro is good

That said I'd personally Sash it, considering it really does not care about the Defense drops. It gets outsped before it uses it, and afterwards sits at the right speed tier where the only notable thing to outspeed it is Mega Manectric, and gets OHKO'd by Priority wether or not its defenses drop, especially considering it mostly wants investment in its offenses and hp.

also solarbeam and rock typ8ng means it works decentlt on sun teams and can counter opposing suns


Anyway, on the viability of Gen VII in general, I'm fairly sure that it suffers the same thing the last few Gens had, and that is that most Pokémon are one-trick ponies.
Toxapex for example is great defensively, but unlike Ferrothorn is bad at actually doing Damage, and will most likely be unable to stall very succesfully due to its total lack of offensive presence.


but why do I even care lol I only LC and Cutiefly is awesome there and that's what counts
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Old 11-21-2016, 10:35 PM   #1792
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I feel like Mudbray will do will in LC. 70/70/55 is a great defensive spread with evoilite and a base 100 attack is nasty.
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Old 11-22-2016, 12:23 AM   #1793
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Can we talk about how terrifying the dex entries are this gen?
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Old 11-22-2016, 12:33 AM   #1794
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I'm not sure if they're horrifying so much as they are just honest.
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Old 11-22-2016, 12:00 PM   #1795
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>Minior
See the thing is Shell Smash doesn't force you into Shields Down mode, so you can keep the defenses and status immunity after Shell Smashing. Granted, I've been able to box it into Mega Pinsir Quick Attack kill range before it's able to do massive damage like every time, but doing that effectively usually requires at least one thing to die, so that's a thing to consider.
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Old 11-22-2016, 06:52 PM   #1796
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Toxapex for example is great defensively, but unlike Ferrothorn is bad at actually doing Damage, and will most likely be unable to stall very succesfully due to its total lack of offensive presence.
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Old 11-24-2016, 12:44 AM   #1797
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Holy shit, can you catch a giant yellow frog there?

OMG I USED TO WATCH THAT WHEN I WAS LITTLE

EPIC FLASHBACK

Anyway. The Totem Raticate thingy was SO FREAKING SCARY, It looked like it was on it's period oml
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Old 11-25-2016, 01:55 AM   #1798
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Can I propose that this thread be used to talk about story spoilers for those who have finished/reached a certain part of the game and they want to talk about it?
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Old 11-25-2016, 07:59 PM   #1799
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Can I propose that this thread be used to talk about story spoilers for those who have finished/reached a certain part of the game and they want to talk about it?
Counter point: I propose you make a new thread specifically for discussing the story/spoilers.
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Anyone else having a hell of a time catching Necrozma?
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