04-23-2017, 10:45 AM | #1 |
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Registration, Starter Pokemon, and Resetting
Hello everyone. Given that the subforum now exists, I think that this is an important topic to discuss. Right now we don't really have much a consensus on what we wish to do in these three areas, and the purpose of this thread is to hash something out that would allow us to put these systems into place.
There is a Google Doc here, which gives a concise idea on some of the ideas pitched on this issue as well are where many people sit on things like Starter Pokemon and the Registration Test. Feel free to give your opinions and suggestions on the topic. Ideally, I hope we can have something like this finished by the time the new mods come in. Resetting is something I think we can accomplish by ourselves since I don't think there is much we need to do there though. |
04-23-2017, 10:58 AM | #2 |
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Reading over the doc, most of the ideas in there are solid. I support just having a RP test, to show that the quality and potential is there. As for starters, while the previous list had some good ideas, some of the restrictions still made zero sense. Things like Type: Null or Tauros shouldn't be starters, but let people start with a Goomy or Pikachu if they want to. Also the resetting thread is probably the best idea. It allows people to soft and hard reset, and shows how they're doing their reset. Also the adoption center tie in is a good one, as it'll allow people ot adopt new Pokemon without potential AC droughts.
These are just my preliminary thoughts and can go more into depth if needed.
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04-23-2017, 11:00 AM | #3 |
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Ok so first of all I'm of the opinion that we should allow some of the Baby Pokemon's evolutions to be starters, but not all of them. If I had to split it up, I'd say Pikachu, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Marill, Roselia, Wobbuffet and possibly Chimecho. I'm not quite sure about Mr. Mime, Sudowoodo and Mantine but the others I feel are either "too rare" or "too powerful" to be starters. Though this does bring up the issue of that split seeming arbitrary and that we should allow exceptions for all the pokemon.
With regards to resetting, I believe that a trainer should be allowed to keep as many of their pokemon as they wish, and any remaining pokemon should be put up for adoption. With regards to items, I'm of two minds. Part of me feels that resetting and losing all items wouldn't be as big of a deal as resetting and losing all pokemon would be, but on the other hand if I were to reset, I'd lose my three evolution stones for my Panpour/Sear/Sage and that would be no good at all. Currency is the easiest to decide on, that can be reset ez. Though if people would want it we could allow them to use up as much of their currency as they please on something or other. A resetting thread is a good idea just so people have somewhere to document things. Finally, no forced resets please. If everyone is forced to reset it'll just lead to resentment and possibly to member loss which we just cannot handle right now
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04-23-2017, 11:17 AM | #4 |
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Registration: Absolutely all for getting rid of the rules scavenger hunt. I did not have much trouble with my FB registration test if memory serves, but I'm aware that I am by no means the majority on that. A registration test for FB should emphasize RPing skills over a comprehensive knowledge of the rules, IMO. I mean, I can see the logic behind the old test to an extent- you want to make sure newcomers are aware of the rules- but as I said, the RPing skills, that's what's important.
Starters: I've often been baffled by a lot of the restrictions behind starters. I mean, obviously, being able to start off with a Groudon or a Politoed, that would be something of a problem, but then you had a bunch of Pokémon that were just barred from being starters for arbitrary reasons- I mean, you could start with Gothita but not Solosis. That's just screwy. One idea I have is, we make it so the only things you absolutely can't start with are as follows; -Evolved Pokémon that are not evolved from baby Pokémon (IE: Clefairy and Roselia would be allowed as starters, but not Weezing and Victreebel) -Legendaries And make a list of stuff that could be started with, but your registration post must contain a well-written backstory for it. This could include the following; -Shinies -Any Ultra Rares (Type: Null, Phione, fossils) Resetting: I'm all for making it an allowable option. Emphasis on "option"- I'm absolutely against forcing everyone to start fresh. I like the idea of a resetting thread, something to keep the mods up to speed on what kinds of changes would be made, let them make sure everything that's being done is OK. |
04-23-2017, 11:28 AM | #5 |
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All I ask is that if Starter allowances change, existing members are grandfathered in if their starters are rendered no longer acceptable. I'd hate to lose my starter; something like that would lead to a lot of resentment.
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Nothing here is going to address a mandatory reset: the community has made it rather obvious we don't want it. This is the kind of thing I feel would be going off-topic.
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Ones that should be OK: Pikachu, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Togetic, Marill, Wobbuffet, Roselia, Chimecho. Unsure about: Sudowoodo, Mr. Mime, Mantine. Too much: Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Hitmontop, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Chansey, Snorlax, Lucario. On a related note, are we allowing all baby Pokémon, or putting restrictions on any of those as well? My thinking here was that you'd have to come up with a damn good backstory and write it well, put in that kind of effort in order to earn the right to start with something that rare, though I won't deny it still might be a bit much to allow starting with something so rare. |
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04-23-2017, 12:15 PM | #8 |
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I think we just have to decide on a specific set of criteria that all Pokemon are graded on, which we use for all subsequent generations as well.
For instance: "Your starter Pokemon must have been either a starter Pokemon, or catchable in any main line Pokemon game. It can not be a legendary Pokemon. It cannot be shiny. It can only be the lowest stage available in that Pokemon line (barring possible exception for Pikachu/Celfairy/etc, though the part of me that wants to make this as simplified as possible says to just axe exceptions, so either every basic stage of a baby line that is catchable in a main line game is allowed or none are)." That, to my knowledge would disqualify Type:Null, Phione, and Fossil Pokemon, as well as every legendary, of course. It also prevents Pokemon that are allowed from becoming disallowed in the future because their rarity in the current generation has changed. I think that allowing any non legendary or shiny Pokemon, for a "well developed" post is another layer of complexity to add into it. I suppose I'm game for that as long as the ones approving special Pokemon are consistent about the level of quality needed to obtain them. It wouldn't be fair if say, two people with different ideas of what is 'good enough' were approving starters. |
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I also have the question of where this would leave Pikachu if we do just an outright ban on starting with stuff that evolves from baby Pokémon- would it be barred as well, meaning only Pichu can be a starter out of that evolution line, or would Pikachu's status as the starter in Yellow take precedence there? |
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04-23-2017, 01:13 PM | #10 |
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Quite frankly, letting people start with some rare/special Pokémon at the sole cost of a good intro bio kind of puts me off. I'm sure Type Null has been resolved in most of our heads already, but low hanging fruit. Type: Null is the sort of thing that I would be going on at least one epic level adventure for, likely two, even, and this is regarding Marion's ideas about adventure length. Quite frankly, you can't match that level of complexity in a registration without writing an actual novel, and forcing anyone to have to read and evaluate that is simply not fair. In my opinion, just don't bother with a system like that beyond "if I would require a novel for a person to start with this, maybe let's not allow it as a starter."
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I don't know that a perfect system to figure out starters exists. The best we can manage might be finding something that puts most of the Pokemon on the right side of the line, and be able to live with the few that aren't. See, I actually disagree on Togetic, because Togepi wasn't created later like most baby Pokemon. For me, Togetic, like Lucario, is a much clearer cut 'evolved Pokemon'. They never existed as the most basic form. Edit: there are also some Pokemon that don't exist in the wild while the baby form does. You cannot catch Hitmonchan or Hitmonlee in any main game as it stands for instance, so they would not be allowed as starter choices under my example. I'll see if I can't make a list of any others. The way the that my example was written would disallow Pikachu from being chosen. Pichu is the lowest available form in that line, and the Pokemon must fit ALL criteria. It doesn't mean that you couldn't change it to say something like "Any Pokemon choosable as a starter can be chosen at the form it is obtained as a starter in the games" or something to allow Pikachu, however. Last edited by Schala; 04-23-2017 at 01:40 PM. |
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04-23-2017, 01:44 PM | #12 |
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Giving my two cents on what's been given so far;
I'm in agreement with removing the questionnaire part of the registration test. If the rules are clearly provided in the opening post of shops, registration threads and zones then I'm sure people can follow them with or without that test. I'm all for having a RP test decide if someone is capable enough to join. My question for this though is who gets to decide what is and isn't good as quality can be a subjective matter and is dependent on the examiner. Before, we had mods do everything that pertained to accepting new members; giving the test, examining it and approving members. If we keep this it means we allow only three people to decide these matters, and one of the problems with old!FB was the the mods took up too much responsibility and control. I think ZAs - who should have been approved as ZAs for being great writers in the first place - should also have the power to approve new members. As for removing bias and the subjective part of the examination it's usually best to have more than one person involved in approving members without it having to slow down the whole process because of discussion. I don't like the idea of blatantly copying WF but something like a '3-approval strikes' from different members is quick and efficient and polls an opinion from a slightly larger pool. Add to that, if we can get the approvers to add their feedback to the player it will help the member in knowing what they've done right and where they can improve upon in the future. As for the RP test itself, I have two minor (alternate) suggestions: 1. Make the RP test be a zone intro. It will better show if a person understands the idea of not self-updating. Add to that, it won't give the member the idea that their piece is cast aside immediately upon joining. After being accepted they can copy their RP test straight into a zone, instead of having provided work on a quality piece only to have to redo it entirely again. 2. Have the RP test be the backstory itself. Downside to this is that it doesn't show if a person understands roleplaying in zones. Upside to this is that the player has to provide reason for their character having X Pokémon if needed. Make the person justify their reason for having a rare Pokémon they want - instead of just doing it because they like it. This one is also hugely dependent on whether we restrict certain Pokémon from being starters or not. As for starting Pokémon, I do believe that some restriction should be put in place, and unfortunately I don't think it can be done by a simple rule. Instead we'll need a list of what is and isn't allowed, the same way we might have to make a list on rarities. But I consider these lists to be fluid in that Pokémon will probably change in rarity over time anyway. Just looking at ASB, they too often discuss Pokémon characteristics and restrictions periodically. It's not that I want to continuously change Pokémon rarities but I think we need to consider the possibility that that will have to happen every so often with community input. BTW, Alto (and I) have made a starting list for rarities we can work off of if we want to. (The idea is that anything but Rare+ can be used as a starter.) If I had to restrict starter Pokémon I would at least mention Fossils and Pseudo-legendaries. If we're not going to have restrictions then I definitely believe the player should have to write a good backstory that justifies how they have an Aerodactyl, rather than just 'because I like it'. As for Type: Null, I practically consider it to be on par with legendaries even if it isn't one itself. Albeit, a near-legendary that will have a lot less restrictions on it than most others. EDIT: Oh, and about resetting. No mandatory (full-on) reset as it'll put off a lot of people. It's been said enough times I think. A reset on items I could understand, especially if we're changing currency but I agree with Whimsy that we should allow people to have a buffer period in which they get to use their items or currency for whatever it is they want. Otherwise you're just going to have a group of people who are frustrated about not having it spent before the FB overhaul, rather than people who understand the decision to wipe it.
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Making a rarity list that's more fluid is one thing, we had that before with the Egg House anyways, that's fine but let that be in relation to Eggs and the new AC. But for the starter Pokémon I think we should look for some uniform criteria to judge all Pokémon by. And something like "No end game Pokémon can be a starter" already blocks a hell of a lot of really rare and powerful, if not all. As for registration; A simple RP test should be enough, in zone style I think is best, to help get a feel for that. And resets; Let people decide for themselves, I most definitely won't be resetting, and allow for soft and hard resets.
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04-23-2017, 02:38 PM | #14 |
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Honestly the easiest way to handle this is exactly what Schala has suggested. It just gives the absolute most options available to people. Sure, you don't get to start with a Pikachu, but you get a Pichu and honestly if you want you've got your Pikachu in no time flat. The primary factor here is that people can still get that special Pokemon they want, with a tiny bit of work, as opposed to an arbitrary rarity list where people get screwed out of things for what, to them, is seemingly no reason. >registration Honestly can someone right here and now tell me why we would actually need a test? Just make sure they've fleshed out a character and whatnot and they can learn as they go. If they accidentally break a rule of any kind just give them a little bit of a wagging finger and explain the situation. No need to overcomplicate what should be a simple process. >resets Just let people do whatever here. If they want to hard reset, go for it. If they want to soft reset and drop some stuff, that's fine too. If they want to reset so soft it makes Charmin look bad and drop moves or individual levels on Pokemon, cool, it's not like it's an abusable system to be having a net loss. |
04-23-2017, 03:08 PM | #15 |
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Hey there! I'm still having a hard time to keep up with everything, but I'll do my best, a little at a time, to do so
>Starters Legendaries are a no-go, obviously. Just to be safe, I would throw in the terms of mystical, ultra beasts, guardian deities and Pikachu variants (surfing, flying, cosplay) for good measure. For the whole evolution thing, I had something like MM said in terms of exceptions with baby Pokémon, but as he says, it's not possible to be simple about it. The best I can think of is to either:
For the second solution, here's a list of all the evolved (next stage) baby Pokémon, and I have color coded what I would like to suggest: green those I think their next evolution should be available as starters (because they're not that rare and not as powerful), red for those that should be banned as starters (too OP/rare), and yellow those I am not sure:
I also agree that Type: Null, Fossil Pokémon and shiny Pokémon should be banned too. Oh, and I also want to put on the table question some Pokémon that are rare/have special abilities, but they're not legendaries:
Registration test: I agree for having that RP test evaluated by more than one person (by mods and VAs). However, to be 100% honest, I'm not sure about removing the rules questionnaire part. I understand that the rules are there and can be looked into any time, but FB has a LOT of rules and a LOT of stuff to look into, and it would be nice to have something that will tell us that the new member has, at the very least, look into some of the basic stuff. Perhaps we could strip down those questions into very basic ones, instead of super-specific, so that way we get a sense that the person who's trying to get into at least looked at the rules beforehand and knows all the things this RP has to offer? Or perhaps we could make it that although the questionnaire is there, failing to answer a few questions correctly will not make a person fail its entry, but instead just give the correct answers? Resets: I am definitely down to be able to do resets (without being forced) and that at any time. I also fully support having a thread to keep track of those resets. I, for one, would like to do something close to a hard reset. What I'm wondering though, although that's more of a case-specific situation... I dunno if the kind of reset I want to do would be legit. I would like to do is to nuke everything from the beginning, as if I'm registering again (so all my previous items/Pokémon are gone, getting the basic starting items, getting a starter Pokémon, etc).... for the exception of keeping one single Pokémon from my original team, that is my Cosplay Pikachu. (Because dammit, it's as rare as you can get in terms of FB, and I sure will keep her if I can!) Do you think it's fine that I hard reset absolutely everything, and get a new starter Pokémon and items alongside of keeping that one (rare) Pokémon? Part of me think it's not fair as I'll be starting with two Pokémon, one being effing rare and the other that can be almost anything I want, but in another I think it is fair because I had to trade that "choice" for all my old Pokémon and items. Thoughts? ANTI DOUBLE-POST EDIT: In a completely unrelated subject of the current discussions, I just thought of something: Should we perhaps change what's included in the starter kit of items? Perhaps we could maybe add more flexibility for the members to choose from? Maybe (although I don't think it's the best idea, but hey throwing it in there) including a key stone and/or Z-Ring? Last edited by OkikuMew; 04-23-2017 at 04:21 PM. |
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I see Schala's point about Togetic. I just never really considered it to be on the same level as the likes of Hitmontop or Lucario- Togetic's never really been known as a strong Pokémon, which is likely why Togekiss became a thing to begin with. That said, I can see the logic behind disallowing it as a starter in any case- it still was never at any time the lowest point of its evolution family. Everything else we've been discussing can at least be said to have been considered unevolved at some point in their existence.
Still think that if there would be any exceptions to the "it can't be evolved" rule, Pikachu would be it. Even if it ends up the one and only exception, it just seems wrong to disallow it as a starter, considering it actually was a starter at one point. The registration test... it should absolutely focus on RP more than rules, but a stripped-down rules questionnaire that exists to simply acquaint newcomers with the very basics, at the very least, would accomplish what I think the original registration test was meant to, without sending potential newcomers on an ultra-infuriating scavenger hunt. Of the list Okiku gave, I can understand disallowing Rotom, Ditto, and Zorua as starters. Maybe Unown as well- it's rare, but pretty damn far from overpowered. IMO, that balances it out somewhat, but that's just my opinion. Castform, though, I'm not so sure about banning that one as a starter. It's not quite as rare as it once was, it's something you can catch in the wild, it's not really insanely overpowered... I mean, I'd agree it's kinda rare, but whether it's rare enough to warrant banning as a starter, I can't really be sure. What I'm worried about is getting right back into the territory of arbitrary starter bans, honestly. I mean, I don't think talking about Rotom, Ditto, Zorua, and Unown qualifies as heading that way, but I still want to be careful about that. A reset like Okiku's talking about... I wouldn't be opposed to allowing it. One rule that's been consistent in FB for as long as I can remember is that you're stuck with your starter no matter what. It's why I chose to start with Koffing- start with the pre-evo of my favorite Pokémon, so I wouldn't want to get rid of it anyway. I see what she's saying about the potential unfairness of getting to choose a new starter while also keeping something from your old team, but then there are two good points that come up. One, Okiku's amassed an impressive team over time, including two Eeveelutions, two starters, a Mienfoo with Fire Spin, a Shiny Snover, and so forth, and she'd be willing to surrender all of that. And two, the one she's thinking of keeping is a freaking Cosplay Pikachu, one of only two in all of FB. Speaking as someone with the only Shadow Ledian in all of FB, I can understand the desire to not want to get rid of something so ridiculously rare. EDIT: Quote:
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I don't agree with Rarity locking, because the rarity system is something we're not going to have a lot of fantastic justification though, but I'm also not the biggest fan of Schala's idea either. It's a great place to start with, but I still think its weird that we're going to force people to use Cleffa but then turn around and say to someone else "Oh sure, you can start with Druddigon." One of the problems with the old system is that it seemed arbitrary because we weren't given solid reasoning or any reasoning for why certain Pokemon were disallowed. We can not only do that, but make it transparent. I will say that if most people don't think this is a problem, but I'm not going to get upset if we don't do it.
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Like I said you can easily enough tweak wording to exclude or include certain Pokemon, such as what I mentioned earlier to allow Pikachu. I only see the problem when specific Pokemon outside of the guidelines are named to be allowed or disallowed. Quote:
I chose that example because it was one of the first ways I thought of, the benchmark was simple, and what was allowed based on it aligned well with my beliefs on the matter. For the sake of full disclosure on the matter, I believe that barring legendary Pokemon and ones like Type:Null, with a near legendary status and canonically only three in existence, that people should have access to as many families of Pokemon as possible for starter choices. I put the focus on baby Pokemon because it is currently much more possible to evolve than devolve. I don't have much problem with people picking Snorlax over Munchlax personally (or any of them besides Togepi and Riolu lines for reasons I stated earlier), but if people are against letting people pick certain ones but not others, I'd prefer to only allow babies rather than having a list of 5-6 being banned for being "too strong" or "too rare". The thing with forcing someone to start with Cleffa versus starting with Druddigon, is that it ultimately is up to the person. Is the person who starts with a Caterpie worse off than the person who chose a Piplup? If they were both happy with their pick, why should it matter? If a person wants a Clefairy, but has to start with a Cleffa, is that any worse than having to start with an Eevee even though you want an Espeon? If people are allowed to get "rare" Pokemon as starters, will they deliberately choose them for their rarity? Probably some people, but starters are not tradable, and again, as long as they wanted that Pokemon to start with, should it really matter if they went "Well, I want an Eevee and a Zigzagoon, but I'll go with the Eevee as my starter because Zigzagoon will likely be easier to get later"? ----- Since I said I would finish the list: The list of Pokemon that would only be available via baby based on my example, even with non-babies being allowed from the line: Hitmonchan Hitmonlee Hitmontop Togetic (Lucario and Snorlax both either exist as overworld and/or SOS encounters only, so you could ban those by disallowing those particular methods if you so chose) |
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Personally, I don't mind lifting any and all restrictions. Any restrictions the community does need in place (e.g. "No one can start with Mewtwo, because {Reason 1}{Reason 2}{Reason 3}[...]"), I feel should be what constitutes the ban list for starters. Anything else, I say go for it. So like ...
* Person has a really great idea for an RP with their trusty Arcanine who has been with them since they were a baby (and he was a Growlithe), but now they're a teen and he's an Arcanine, and like ... he's like their big guardian Totoro and they have this story in mind for him, and ... [etc, etc] ... I say go for it. * Person wants to RP with a grandfatherly Beartic, inspired by Tracey's Old Man * Person wants to RP with a pair of starters, two sisters, instead of just one starer. I say go for it. I have no problem with this. "Fair", "Unfair", these notions only start to gain traction when trading, battling, and other inter-player activities come into play. What does it matter to you that someone else has what you don't have in a world where you're never going to cross paths? "If she's gonna have two starters, then I have to get two starters too! Otherwise it's unfair to me! But I don't want to have two starters! I have a great idea for this single starter!" Then just have the single starter. "NO! IF SHE HAS TWO, I HAVE TO HAVE TWO!" No you don't. Relax. You do you, you let her do her. "NOOOOOOOOO! I HAVE TO--" Stop. Stop right there. See, I think this is the problem with a lot of FB right now: losing sight of the bigger picture. You're not here for other people. (Are you?) You're here for you. So long as other people aren't harming your enjoyment of the game, you enjoy it just fine the way you want to enjoy it. It's no one else's fault but your own if you're an obsessive min-maxer who can't find happiness unless the rules, compliant with his min-maxing tendencies, allow him to have exactly the best case he was hoping for. Like, "Oh boy! The rules forbid everything except for starters like the one I have a great idea for! Oh boy, yes! I'm so excited!" Why? I mean, be excited. But why are you excited contingent on others' happiness being prohibited? If you're going to ban a Mewtwo starter, do it because you're going to craft an FB where Mewtwo is 1) not ownable or else 2) ownable but only ownable under special circumstances. If you're going to ban an Arcanine starter, do it because the same. Either Arcanine isn't ownable or else he is ownable but only to a select few. Don't say, "Well, he can only be owned by people who get their hands on a Fire Stone first." Why. Why does that even matter? Why are we poisoning the creativity well here and shitting on people's dreams for the perfect starter for their character? Maybe I'm too coming at this too strongly with the mentality of a novelist and not an RPer. The mentality of someone who says, "I know the story I want to tell; and I want to tell it." But I feel like starters should be the kind of thing where we allow a pretty free rein, to encourage people to have fun with their No.1 starter of choice and to build a narrative around that bond. But in conclusion, and just to be clear ... I am in favor of lifting restrictions on all of the following:
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Starting with legendaries is just an absolute no, and I'm sure I don't need to state the reasons why.
As for the other stuff, I get where you're coming from, but in a big multiplayer forum-wide RPG it's just a mess waiting to happen. When you're just writing with one other person, or where it's a plotted role play with a fully developed character and off you go, it's generally different. Evolved starters defeats the point of it being a /starter/, that the trainer's meant to be at some sort of beginning, and anything more than a duo is just too much. Three is half of a standard party, for Arceus sake. As for sizes, markings and things, I'm all down for that, though. I loved the Orange Archipelago, and they had giant Pokemon for days! I'm not resetting, mind, so the rarities fight and stuff I'll leave to the others. I'm quite chillax about it. My favourite Pokemon would likely be available if I wanted to reset, anyway.
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In this regard, the only reasoning we have was "well its simpler". And you're right, but to the viewpoint of another person, its no less arbitrary. So its still forcing someone to make a choice. But I'd feel better disallowing the Druddigon because, says, its versatile and hence doesn't have the "feel" a starter should have, then to disallow Clefairy because we don't want people running around with Infernapes and Hydreigons and its just easier for us. Rarity isn't really a factor for me, to remind you. I don't care if someone starts with an Eevee. Eevee isn't really rare anymore. There are plenty of places in the Pokemon world where you can catch Eevee. Just because you couldn't in Kanto doesn't make it rare. There will be exceptions to this for me. I'm uncomfortable with people starting out with fossils, for example, because I feel it betrays the lore of the games in regards to the fossil Pokemon. Same with something like Phione, or Type: Null, or legends. Ultimately, I think that having consistency for new people is also important. You must be this "short" to be a starter if we want to meme. |
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As I said, I don't have any particular problem with allowing Pokemon with baby stages added after the fact to be chosen, I just want it to be consistent. If Clefairy is fine, then Jynx and Chansey should be too. Allowing evolutions, or disallowing single stage evolutions, because of how "cool" they are is arbitrary to the max. If something has to "feel like a starter" and not be too versatile, then how are we quantifying that? Only small, "cute" Pokemon? Only Pokemon with three stages? Pokemon that learn no more than x type of attacks/HMs? Again, we will just have to disagree on things. I'd rather have Cleffa and Druddigon than Cleffa and Clefairy available. Those that want Cleffa get Cleffa, those that want Clefairy get a Pokemon that evolves into Clefairy, and those that want Druddigon get Druddigon. Sure, Druddigon, Cleffa, and Clefairy all being available might be best, but if something gets limited, I'd much rather axe the one with a pre-evolution available than the one that cuts off an entire line (evolutions or not). Quote:
I think most people (besides Talon), are more or less in agreement with that list. No legendaries, no Type: Null, no Phione, and no fossils, seems to be something that everyone besides Talon in this thread have if not outright stated approval for, than something that they don't mind being a restriction. |
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Since I haven't weighed in on much besides the starters: Registration Test: I'm all for at the very least drastically cutting the questions part of the test. It's long (it took me at least twice as long, if not longer compared to the RP portion), intimidating, and frustrating. If we do keep a few questions just so people have a general idea of rules, having all of the answers in one thread so people don't have to go on a hunt, and as Okiku mentioned, making it so a wrong answer or two isn't a failure would be my vote. I certainly wouldn't be too sad to see that part of the test disappear, though. I actually really like EAI's idea of making the test an intro to a zone that could then be used. At the very least, I think that should be an option. (I personally liked the "write a reply to this scenario" as well, so having the person choose to either respond to a prompt or write an intro to the zone of their choosing, perhaps?) Having ZAs be able to weigh in and approve a test seems like a fine idea too, as long as there can be a decently quick turnaround on tests. I remember only having to wait a day or two for my test to be sent to me, and I heard back about the results fairly quickly as well, but I've noticed it taking weeks from when a person posted in the registration thread to their post being edited saying it was sent out. By that point, there's a good chance that that person has lost interest, so making sending out, grading, and sending back results something that occurs quickly is important. If any step (besides the person filling out the test, since there's no time limit unless we plan to implement one,) takes weeks, there's a problem. Starter Pack: I've got no problem with a Key stone and Z-ring being included in the starter pack, since they still have to purchase the stones and crystals to use them. As for the stuff already in the starter pack, barring Pokedollars and coins changing in value drastically (which they might depending on the numbers the economy thread ends up with I suppose), those should be fine. Everything else in the starter pack is fine as it is. Other things added in can also be discussed. Resets: Specific thread is good. No forced resets (barring a possible currency reset if people feel it is necessary for the economy). People can choose what parts to reset. Pokemon can be dropped off at the Adoption Center by the person resetting if they want. On another topic, since it hasn't actually been talked about that I've seen: Do we plan on keeping the starter level (Lv 5) as is? Does anyone want to argue for a change in starting level? (I assume no change, but I'm not sure how many people have even thought about it. I certainly didn't until right now.) |
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I think at the moment the best thing for us to do Schala is agree to disagree. I do think you bring up good points, and regardless if I agree with them or not I think the community should keep them in mind.
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