12-31-2011, 03:37 PM | #326 |
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I still have to catch up, but I come bearing news. Someone posted this video which looks to be a promo(?), extra or ripped game OP for Fate/Prototype, a.k.a. a FSN scenario built up from Nasu's concept ideas. Here we have the female Shirou and a male King Arthur, and Gilgamesh is gay.
Years ago I would have been like cooooooool but now the water feels tepid. Especially if this is a promo. Seriously Nasu? How far are you going to milk this?
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Spoiler: show Other thoughts from before I paused as well as from after as I continue to switch between watching the trailer and writing this post: Spoiler: show The impression I get from watching this trailer is that the following was the key difference between the original game and FSN:
Thanks for sharing this with us, Doppel. Will definitely be looking forward to locating a downloadable copy. VERDICT FOR RIGHT NOW: probably going to be worse than FSN, which in turn is worse than Fate/Zero, but ... I'm still interested. And from the look of things, it could still be more interesting to me than either Tsukihime or Kara no Kyoukai were. So that's got to count for something.
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Okay, I realize that's a scary wall of text that no one is likely to want to read except me. So I'll sum it up in brief here. Apologies for the double-post:
1. New Gil I'm fine with it. 2. New Saber I'm really intrigued by where they could take this. His relationship with Ayaka mirrors FSN Archer's relationship with Tohsaka Rin somewhat. 3. New Shirou I like her. She's a vast improvement over Shirou in many ways. Or at the very least, she's an interesting "What if ...?" character. 4. New (other characters) I like some, I dislike others. Lancer is cool. Really dislikin' what they did to Kirei, though. His replacement seems seems like the lamest NasuVerse character ever. 5. Expectations I expect it will be fun. I am glad Doppel shared this with us. I consider it good news. At the same time, from what I saw, I don't think it will be better than FSN. Nor, in turn, do I think it will be better than F/Z. But I do think it could be better than either Tsukihime or Kara no Kyoukai. Could. We'll just have to wait and see. If you'd like to read more of my thoughts on what was shown, the essay above is waiting for you.
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12-31-2011, 06:18 PM | #329 |
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I think Gilgamesh still has GOB, that and Excalibur as a laser weapon came out in development pretty early. It's UBW that was the derivative idea, and in the original story Saber was meant to be the protagonist, while Ayaka the romantic interest.
I can understand why Nasu went for FSN's set-up given this combination - Saber doesn't make for a very interesting protagonist from a first person point of view. Characters with strong advantages but no disadvantages kill tension. Head is busy right now, sorry if this is incomprehensible.
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Either I'd forgotten about or else I didn't know that Saber was originally meant to be the player-character and that Ayaka (a.k.a. Shirou) was who you targeted. That's interesting to know, but I agree with you that the decision to reverse the roles was a necessary one for FSN to have worked as well as it did. But I still stand by the conclusions I drew from watching this trailer: it seems that numerous people are aiming for Saber and that it's up to Ayaka to stave them off. She definitely appears to have been recast as the primary protagonist even if, as you say, she was originally written as the supporting protagonist. Thus, in a sense, the Fate/Prototype that we're about to receive won't even be the real prototype. Much like Mahou Tsukai no Yoru, it's looking like Fate/Prototype is going to be a very touched-up, heavily rewritten version of the prototype Nasu wrote back when he was in high school or college. I'd be delighted if some of the better Heroic Spirit choices that wormed their ways into Fate/Extra and Fate/Apocrypha were to show up in this outing. In particular, I'd love to see this girl as Archer and this guy as Rider. I'm not holding my breath, though. In fact, if anything, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised if most of the Servant identities are kept the same in an effort to appease those fans who are already up in arms over all the changes Fate/Prototype is making to the FSN landscape. But we'll see. I dunno. If you come at Fate/Prototype as an alternate universe fanfic, then that's all the more reason to go wild and completely wipe the board clean.
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12-31-2011, 08:35 PM | #331 |
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Yeah major halation right now. Trying to multi-multi task.
What I meant was Unlimited Blade Works was based on Gate of Babylon, as Archer evolved as a character based on Gilgamesh and Shirou ideas. That's why the three share a lot in common, although I think in the Kotomine Kirei - Emiya Shirou case, it's not a common ancestry issue so much as it is convergent evolution.
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Ignored whether the Engrish matched up with the Japanese subtitles on the first pass through, but looking back at it now, the translation is god awful. Any one of us could get a job in Japan Englishproofing things for corporations, it seems, if only they cared. Here's a better translation for you:
You can't bring back the dead. (lit. The dead will not be resurrected.) Once you lose something, it's gone for good. (lit. Lost things do not return.) Even the greatest miracle can only affect the living. (lit. Whatever miracle you speak of, things capable of change are restricted to, presently, living things.) That third line is theirs since the way they translated it was very nice. The other two are my own translation. I've offered literal translations in parentheses for all three lines. What's interesting about this opening, and I didn't really appreciate this the first time I watched it, is that it tells us about a major difference between Shirou and Ayaka. Shirou's initial goal (whether you want to call it his grail wish or not) was to become a superhero, right? In at least one of the three paths (if not all three, I forget), Shirou is confronted with the reality that he can't wish away the fire from ten years ago because to do so would be to wish away the very event that determined his course in life. Not that it matters -- Shirou never really gets to make a wish, always instead focused on destroying the corrupted grail -- but what is interesting to note is that Ayaka's wish may be to restore her parents to life. Not only is this hinted at by the topic covered by each of the three lines, it is also hinted at very strongly in the original Japanese subtitling for the third line where it says 今を, meaning "now; currently, at present, presently", indicating that for now, in this day and age, we lack the means to bring back the dead; but that perhaps in the future, perhaps in the very near future, there will be a way by which the dead can be brought back to life. Such as a ... Grail wish, maybe? :O Come to think of it, it'll be interesting to see if the grail is even corrupted in Fate/Prototype or if instead it's a holy vessel genuinely capable of granting whatever one wish your heart desires. I would assume that it's corrupted if corrupted Gil is still around? But then again, who the hell knows: maybe Gil isn't actually a hold-over from War 4 this time and is instead the War 5 summon into the Archer class. If so, the only thing left requiring us to conclude that the grail must be contaminated is the fact that it would even host a war in the first place from which so much suffering is born. Although even by Nasu's own FSN logic, that argument doesn't necessarily hold. (You can get into all sorts of twisted temporal arguments since Nasu's Grail war traverses time in a non-linear sense, but if we look at things linearly, the fact of the matter is that there was a time pre-the end of War 3 where the grail was not yet corrupted and yet the war was obviously very, very real.) Re-watching it right now ... listening more closely to the conversations ... Gilgamesh tells Arthur that Sajou Ayaka's life only has three days remaining. (Whether he's talking about the end of the grail war or something entirely different, who knows.) When Gil takes that phial out from his coat pocket, he tells Arthur, "If you want this, you're going to have to take it." I don't have a very good ear, I'm afraid (I'm a much better reader than listener), so I can't really tell if that's Ayaka's life force inside of the phial or if it's something different altogether. Forgot to mention last time, but ... awwwwwww at the scene with the doves. Spoiler: show ATTENTION!!! Was looking at UTW's site to see if they had already subbed (or had announced plans to sub) this trailer. But look what unfortunate (?) news someone brought :According to the Type-Moon website, Fate/Prototype is just a digest OVA/Trailer there and there no plans for any release be it a Visual Novel or anime.Awwww. Although I guess this must make you happy, Doppel. This was more a treat for the fans, I guess, than a bonafide sneak peek of things yet to come? I guess only time will tell whether or not we're going to get a Fate/Prototype OAV. But I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed. ^^; I was looking forward to some Fate/Prototype next fall or winter to tide me over once Fate/Zero wraps up in late June.
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Sigh. Fuckin' figures: UTW releases a batch for Fate/Zero including typographical error fixes, grammatical error fixes, translation fixes, and the extended Episode 11 -- but the subs don't want to load in VLC. I'm pretty much committed to using VLC on this platform, so when sub groups decide that they want to break VLC, it means that I don't get to play with them anymore. It would be pretty awful if UTW joins those "fuck VLC" ranks as they're the only group that does Carnival Phantasm and one of only two groups that I know of that touched Fate/Zero, the other being Commie. I posted on their blog but am expecting to be inundated with spiteful jeers from the readerbase and a polite "no" or two from the staff. Sigh.
I really wish VLC would get their act together and render subtitles the same way that other players (e.g. MPlayer) do. I also really wish that they'd get their act together and update their official build. I'm tired of having to use a buggy nightly build whenever I want to watch 10-bit files. [/rant] EDIT: Obviously, I have MPlayer and its Windows pseudo-VLC equivalent SMPlayer on here, too, but I typically find that they're just not as good. However, I upgraded SMPlayer to the newest version just now (my old one was about half a year old, I think) and it's doing the job just fine for now. Still: I prefer to use VLC. Despite all the flak Linux nerds give VLC, it is the Swiss army knife of media players. It is ridiculously portable and remarkably powerful. I like it. I get sad when anime fansub groups go all "Linux is king, the rest of you are subhumans"
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Double-post. Just finished Episode 11 version 2.0. Thoughts ...
Fantastic. If the episode three weeks ago was akin to UBW - the Movie, this was more akin to playing UBW itself. Everything that was missing from the episode's original broadcast but was present in the book chapter showed up in this episode. Kirei and Tokiomi's conversation about the Assassins, Gil's greater presence during the conversation (and a small peek at his own philosophy about rule), and Gil's and Rider's mutual declarations of intent to kill the other ... all was present in this do-over. There were also smaller things that had been cut for time but which, now included, made conversations flow much more intelligibly. When I first watched Episode 11, I was so glued to my seat that I forgot to take any screencaps, something I ordinarily do by habit at an average frequency of like one every five seconds. So I know I was hooked. But at the same time, I remember being very confused and telling myself, "We are so going to have to re-watch this once UTW gets their release out so we can make heads or tails of things." But once UTW's release came out and I watched it, things didn't get much better. Not until watching the re-broadcast just now does the conversation truly feel like a naturally-flowing one rather than a scripted one that was heavily edited for time. It's ... hard to explain other than to say, you don't have to think as hard when watching the new version of the episode as you did before. If the first one, in order for it to make sense to you, was akin to studying an chapter of assigned reading from a philosophy textbook in college, the second one is more like you listening in to two ordinary people discussing the same values explored by that textbook chapter. It's just ... surprisingly easier to follow despite the minimal insertions it received. Acquire if you already got the original Ep11? Absolutely. It's up to you whether you want to keep both versions or just the new version, but I definitely think you'd be being foolish to keep only the original version in your archives. Watch if you already watched the original Ep11? I'd say so, unless you watched the original so many times that you're burnt out on Fate/Zero right now, in which case go ahead and watch it in April before the show starts back up.
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Watched 13. It was good. I actually liked the Ryuunosuke part best.
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I also found myself far more bothered by the animation in this episode than I was in 11. Haven't (re-)watched the new version yet to compare, will probably do so soon after a break. Watched the Fate/Prototype trailer as well. For the most part, it looks pretty dang cool. That epic music really sells it. Never mind the Engrish though, the version I watched had terrible subs. =| I looked for another release but couldn't find any. Still, the gist of several lines lead me to question some of the points Talon made. Will provide timestamps when I can find them so hopefully you can clarify the exact meaning. Spoiler: show
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Still reading the rest of your post but wanted to get this out there now so you could reply/edit/whatever.
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I know. =x I'm just saying that's how I felt towards episode 13.
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[x] stay night (anime)
[x] Extra [x] Zero (anime) [-] stay night (manga) [] stay night (game) [] UBW [] Carnival Phantasm (do I need this one?) I didn't give up my stockpiles getting somewhere! Thought of grabbing more of the manga but only 11 out of ??? volumes are out an since Tokyopop was releasing it... x_x; Games most important part but I stink at finding it or info on its requirements. I'll keep slowly poking around. When I get to playing Extra who should I go with for my servant o.o? |
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The game: There's an appreciably-seeded torrent on Nyaa right now for the game w/ Japanese voices that's right around 4.0 gigabytes. If you don't do torrents, uh, I don't know what to tell you but someone else might. The torrent comes with an instruction manual on how to install the game and everything. Very helpful stuff, I should think. (I don't know as I didn't personally use that one. That one was created just this past October, but I installed back in Summer 2010.)
The UBW movie: I would get it. But I would strictly hold off on watching it until: (a) you play the path, so that the movie makes more sense and you don't end up hating it; or else (b) you decide, "You know, I'm never going to play the game, so let's just watch this and have fun. " But be prepared to be mega-confused as it totally assumes the viewer has played the game and goes through events not depicted in the FSN anime and at a blistering pace. Carnival Phantasm: I would highly recommend this. You will love it unless you don't like comedy parodies. But like ... did you like Chibits (the Sumomo/Kotoko bonus at the end of Chobits)? If you liked Chibits, then you will love Carnival Phantasm. You can also start watching it now although some references may go over your head. (But it's not the end of the world and, having seen the FSN and Tsukihime animes, you're going to get ~85-90% of the references anyway.) But if you're only aiming for official stuff, then this one is strictly optional. It's based on the fan parody manga TAKE-MOON by Takenashi Eri, the lady who wrote the Kannagi ~ Crazy Shrine Maidens series. Obviously it has Type-Moon's blessing and stuff but the ideas are pretty much all hers. I guess I would say ... it's about as necessary to your collection as if CLAMP had done a Sailor Moon parody manga that all Sailor Moon fans loved but that wasn't done by Takeuchi Naoko.
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Woahhhh 4gb for the game? That would take days to obtain! There's gotta be a lower spec version or however pc games work! Thats also way more space then I'm comfortable parting with x.x; I like silly comedy/parody stuff sooo I'll prolly look into that other show when its all done releasing.
That sounds like every tv or in this case game series compiled into movie form! Usually thats not a good thing! >.< |
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Well, you can fit 4 gigs easily onto a single DVD+R; and then once you're done with the game, you can always copy your (tiny) save files to another folder and then uninstall the entire thing, freeing up hard drive space again.
The comedy show isn't going to be much different size-wise -- the latest episode was 500 MB @ 720p resolution, so the 480 XViD will probably be more than 350 MB -- and the UBW movie, similarly, was iirc anywhere from 2 to 4 gigs. (I know it fit onto a DVD+R, so ...) Dunno if it's what you want to do, but you can get 1 TB hard drives these days for around $100. Could be worth it if you're feeling space-limited.
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So it seems no one has seen Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya, or everyone thought it was horribad.
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^ I've heard about it before, but no, never really looked into it.
Anyway, came here to share this video trailer with you guys. It comes to you courtesy of a fellow Fate/Zero fan who is clearly either more obsessed with or more informed about franchise news than any of us. 'Cause this heralds from the official Fate/Zero television site, something I don't think I've checked in months, so ... yeah. ^_^; You can also watch a somewhat grainier version here on Nico Nico Douga if you have an NND account. 弟子ゼロ号, or Pupil No.0, is a character that has everyone buzzing. Some are speculating that she's a younger Fujimura Taiga and that the joke is that Irisviel is prepping her for the Taiga Dojo segments she will one day lead. Others are wondering if, like Seihai-kun in Carnival Phantasm, she's the anthropomorphized embodiment of the Fate/Zero franchise. Others still are saying that she's an entirely new character and that we'll find out more later. Who knows. (I'm in that last camp myself, though I could see the second theory as well. First one seems unlikely to me given No.0's voice, but who knows.) If you click on the Movies tab on the television site, you'll discover that in addition to the 2-minute trailer, ufotable's produced nine 15-second television commercials advertising the March 7 release of the Blu-Rays. There are seven, one for each Master/Servant pairing, and then there're two more, one that features all seven Servants, the other which features all seven Masters. Nothing really worth seeing from what I clicked on, but you may get some pleasure out of watching these, so I'm pointing out their existence for you. But yeah. Do be sure to watch the 2-minute trailer. If for nothing other than Irisviel.
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Friendly reminder! The second half of the Fate/Zero anime is set to start airing in about one month. Starting on March 24 and continuing on March 31, several television stations will be broadcasting what look to be recap episodes of the first half of the series. However, you really shouldn't substitute watching these for watching the original thirteen episodes! More importantly, if you still haven't gotten around to playing the visual novel Fate/stay night, now's a good time! It's a game you can comfortably complete in one month, playing through each of the three story paths (Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel) in the course of about one to one and a half weeks apiece. After you beat it, you can either dive right into Fate/Zero, catching up on the thirteen episodes from last season that you have yet to see; or you can take a little break and then catch up once the second half of the television series has aired a small handful of episodes. Either way, you should be able to finish the game at a comfortable pace and then join in on the riveting discussions the second half of this epic story is sure to bring! In other news, the OST is set to come out along with the Blu-Ray package that goes on sale March 7. So be sure to mark your calendars for that as well if you're eagerly looking forward to getting to hear the excellent music Kajiura Yuki composed for this series! I know I am!
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I give up again trying for FSN the game. I dun got the computer power or time or whatever for it!
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Fate Zero OST is ... I am almost crying ^^;, it's so good. This is so, so good. It's been a long wait, but we finally can listen to these audio tracks whenever we like.
A breakdown of what each track is and my own thoughts follow: Spoiler: show Of the twenty-four tracks on the CD, I'd say that at least nine of them are songs you'd want to have in your music collection, for sure, and that maybe three to five of them are songs I'd personally consider putting on an MP3 player. That's pretty solid in my book, particularly when we're talking about a television soundtrack, where not every song is meant to be listened to on its own, and not a music album by a recording artist, where every song is meant to be listened to on its own. The top three highlights for me are Tracks 01, 02, and 24. Your results may (and probably will) vary, but there's something here for everyone, so be sure to check it out!
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Talon, you have exactly 70 70 posts. This is a stupendous moment. We must celebrate.
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