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Old 10-05-2020, 05:27 PM   #26
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This would be an addition that would ease the frustration of trying to get genderless Pokemon. I like the idea and don't see anything really wrong with adding those to the current line up of custom incenses FB already has.
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Old 10-05-2020, 05:46 PM   #27
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I feel like the simplest solution would be to allow trainers with Ditto to lend their Pokemon to a breed on the intended recipient's behalf, costing the recipient a breeding slot rather than the owner.

The ruling would be introduced with the idea that if people start to abuse it the privilege will be revoked.
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Old 10-05-2020, 06:10 PM   #28
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I feel like the simplest solution would be to allow trainers with Ditto to lend their Pokemon to a breed on the intended recipient's behalf, costing the recipient a breeding slot rather than the owner.

The ruling would be introduced with the idea that if people start to abuse it the privilege will be revoked.
Makes sense to me, that would eliminate the need for any extra item.

This opens up a question, though: Are there enough Ditto to ‘go around’? Wouldn’t want things to get too competitive if each one only has two breeds a year. Same goes for not wanting anybody to feel pressured to share their Ditto if they have other ideas for it.
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Old 10-05-2020, 06:32 PM   #29
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I'd rather avoid bringing Ditto into this if we don't have to. Just let genderless breeds be a thing without having it rely on the Ditto population.

Though this just popped into my head: If we want a 'rent a Ditto' solution, then perhaps let someone pay 2 Breed Slots to rent an NPC Ditto or something in place of putting forth one of their own Pokemon.

That still avoids having genderless breeds being tied to the Ditto population of the FB players. (Which cannot grow itself as far as I know, you can't breed a Ditto with a Ditto and get another Ditto.)
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Old 10-05-2020, 06:48 PM   #30
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Yeah, Ditto aren't necessarily a dime a dozen in FB, and they can't make more of their own kind- you can't breed two Ditto together, nor can you breed Ditto with something and use an Old Spice Incense to ensure a Ditto offspring. To add to that, not everybody in FB who even has Ditto might necessarily be willing to contribute their Ditto to such-

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...Case in point. So I for one am in favor of either of the other ideas- the NPC Ditto rental, or the Materna/Paterna Incenses.
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Old 10-05-2020, 07:44 PM   #31
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I'd rather avoid bringing Ditto into this if we don't have to. Just let genderless breeds be a thing without having it rely on the Ditto population.
On the contrary, I’d like to at least say we have exhausted discussion on a solution that fits the Pokemon canon before bringing genderless breeding into it. Genderless Pokemon have lore for why they are unable to breed (inorganic, one of a kind, lack of reproductive organs) so I’d prefer we didn’t just throw logic out of the window for convenience.

I’d say I prefer the rental Ditto option at the cost of another slot, but also don’t feel it’s the biggest problem genderless Pokemon are slightly harder to obtain.
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Old 10-06-2020, 05:28 PM   #32
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Yeah I'm still on the side of having a rental ditto. I wouldn't mind if it cost an extra slot like Emp suggests, but I wouldn't mind if there was a monetary fee of like, $500, as well to rent it from the Hatchery. While the incense are a cool idea, I do agree with Emp that Genderless Pokemon are unable to breed for a reason. The only reason they really have internal egg groups is so that they are able to breed with Ditto.
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Old 11-07-2020, 07:50 PM   #33
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Delibird *jingle bells aringing*

With Halloween (sadly) behind us, I thought i’d pop an idea i’ve been thinking about in here to see what people think. I know it’s a bit early and i’m sure the mods have other bits in mind by way of seasonal events but here goes anyhow -

Delibird’s Delightful Distribution



Delibird is coming to town and wants the citizens of Fizzytopia to help spread the spirit of the season

People who sign up will be designated another member and will need to respond to the PM from Delibird (me, one of the mods or whoever - someone not taking part and impartial) with what gift they will be giving to this member (an item or items, Pokémon, whatever is deemed as ‘legal’) - once Christmas rolls around, these gifts will be revealed and can be collected by their recipients, giving everyone who entered a surprise and the chance to try and work out who got them

Let me know your thoughts, i’m a total sucker for Secret Santa and thought it’d be a good way for some more community fun times, even if it ends up as a TO activity ^^
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Old 11-07-2020, 08:18 PM   #34
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I would be down for this.

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Old 11-07-2020, 08:22 PM   #35
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I think it's a fun idea, and I was sort of kicking around a similar idea for a Christmas event before, but my initial instinct is that it would have to be seriously refined on the logistics because I really worry about people feeling left out or getting slighted by the variance of gifts being given. If you do want to seriously pursue the idea and work on fine-tuning the details, it might be better if you PM them to TKF and myself so that the details of the event aren't spoiled for everyone.
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Old 11-07-2020, 08:32 PM   #36
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I think it's a fun idea, and I was sort of kicking around a similar idea for a Christmas event before, but my initial instinct is that it would have to be seriously refined on the logistics because I really worry about people feeling left out or getting slighted by the variance of gifts being given. If you do want to seriously pursue the idea and work on fine-tuning the details, it might be better if you PM them to TKF and myself so that the details of the event aren't spoiled for everyone.
These are great points to consider and I think setting a limit of $1000-2000 could help to alleviate some of that. I would definitely be happy to spend time drafting things up as more than a ‘shower thought’ and ping things over to you guys, though!

Feel free to continue feeding into this, peeps - if I was to put something together, it’d be for everyone so any and all feedback is welcomed
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Old 11-07-2020, 08:46 PM   #37
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Aw and I was thinking I'd make someone's Christmas by filling their stockings with lots of Candies~ ;P *shot* (Although that'd probably make it really obvious who their Secret Santa was lol.)
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Old 11-07-2020, 09:34 PM   #38
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I think it's a great idea and as something community driven, I don't see how it couldn't run alongside anything else planned for Christmas.

If someone feels they don't have something worth giving, it might be worth giving the option to make a Department Store purchase in private, so not to spoil the surprise. Adding a limited range of stocking filler items might also spice things up.
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Old 11-17-2020, 08:16 PM   #39
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So there's been some talk as of late about Bond. About wanting to either rework it in some fashion or do away with it altogether. Me, personally, I never had an issue with the way Bond currently works, but at the same time, I can see why it doesn't appeal to everybody. I'm not completely sure which would be the correct way forward here, but either way, I do have ideas.

1: If we decide to rework Bond:


My idea here is to simplify Bond a bit, and hopefully eliminate the linking aspect of it- a lot of people don't seem to like that about it. My idea would take it back to something that vaguely resembles the Happiness Point system of the pre-Fizzbylution days in terms of relative simplicity, while retaining the RP-centric ideas we had in mind when concocting Bond in the first place.
  • Bond would max out at 10 instead of 50.
  • All Pokémon with existing Bond points under the current system would convert said points by dividing their Bond by 5 and rounding up.
  • Happiness evolutions would occur at 10 Bond. Anything that has evolved via happiness prior to the implementation of this without maximum Bond would obviously be allowed, grandfathered in, but if it were devolved via the reset thread, it'd still need to max out its Bond to evolve again.
  • Most of the little benefits to Bond would be stripped away or simplified. Move Relearner access would be allowed automatically, and I personally would argue the same for unnatural TM/TR compatibility, but I'm guessing not everyone will agree on that one. The main appeal of Bond would be happiness evolutions and powering up Return, Pika Papow, and Veevee Volley.
  • Instead of being claimable for each 250+ word post involving the Pokémon in question, Bond would instead be handed out by updators and Gym Leaders in the same vein as levels. In zones, the amount given would depend on the situation the Pokémon was in and would be up to updator discretion. Again, like levels. In raids, a set amount of Bond would be given to all participating Pokémon at the end, depending on how long the raid lasted.
  • No linking would be required for Bond, since the idea I'm going for here is to make them more comparable to levels. The Bonding Retreat would either cease to exist or be converted into a place to manage one's stock of Gummis. And in the second case, I could see an argument made for simply making the Candy Store work for that as well.
  • Speaking of Gummis, I'm thinking rework the Gummis into two kinds, based on PMD Rescue Team DX; The Rainbow Gummi and the DX Gummi. Both give 1 Bond, but the DX Gummi would also teach the eater one of the three Bond-locked Custom Moves, as chosen by whoever uses it; Gummi Bomb, Guardian Terrain, or Defensive Shield. The DX Gummi would, at the very least, replace the Birthday Gummi, and possibly any instance of Mysterious Gummis, while Rainbow Gummis would replace any instance of Yummi Gummis.
  • As for the potential to learn Shadow moves, I'm open to suggestions on that. I'd rather that not go away entirely, but at the same time I'm not sure just opening it up for everything to effectively get unlimited Shadow moves would be the best idea. Same basic idea for unnatural Advanced Moves- I still think those should be possible, even if some manner of limited capacity per Pokémon.
  • Pokémon in Luxury Balls would earn more Bond than they normally would've, while Pokémon in Friend Balls would start with 2 Bond (the same would apply to Christmas Balls containing Delibird, Stantler, etc.). This reverses their current roles in FB, which in and of themselves are reversed from what they are in the games. I feel like this reworking of Bond would be a prime opportunity to fix this.

2: If we decide to axe Bond:


In my previous idea, I already went on about how we could kinda move the current Bond bonuses away from actually relying on Bond, but one aspect of that would be obviously pretty tricky to work out otherwise; Happiness evolutions. It would also create a bit of an issue with moves like Return and Frustration, and I'm not sure what we'd do about those moves if we axe Bond altogether. What I do know, however, is that even if we get rid of Bond, there's still a good way to make happiness evolutions possible.
  • Happiness evolutions would be allowed to occur in zones or at the end of raids at the updator's/Gym Leader's discretion, based on how the person RP'd their character and Pokémon interacting.
  • In the event of people who want to make happiness evolutions happen but simply can't justify using the Pokémon in question in any zones they're in or any currently open raids, there would be a thread created in order to allow this sort of thing anytime.
  • To evolve a Pokémon via happiness in the thread, you would post a short story akin to a Visionary Glade post, and then someone else would need to approve the post and confirm the evolution. Word count would, I would think, count for at least part of this, but it'd also have to account for how well the RPing is.
  • This thread would also allow for evolving Galarian Yamask into Runerigus, since we already made it a happiness evolution for simplicity's sake, but this thread would allow for an RP more closely linked to its evolution method in the games.
  • RP in the thread could either allow for the Pokémon bonding with its Trainer character, or else simply experiencing a happy moment taking place before it meets its Trainer character in universe, since some people might want to have certain Pokémon already evolved before their characters meet them. Case in point, I'd like to evolve my future Igglybuff before my character actually acquires it.
  • As for who could confirm such an evolution post, I would think that in addition to whoever creates and runs the thread, it'd also be possible for other people to help out, like how there are two assistants for the Calendar. I don't imagine such a thread would be especially busy, though, and certainly not to the same degree as the Calendar, but I feel like it's at least worth thinking about this point one way or another.
  • Pokédollars would be claimable for a post that's 250 words or more, though not until after the evolution has been confirmed by someone else, although I would think the criteria for the evolution being confirmed wouldn't be so stringent that denying them would be all that common.
  • Pokémon contained in Friend Balls or Luxury Balls would be able to bypass these requirements and undergo friendship evolutions whenever the Trainer damn well pleased.


Also, if we're thinking of reworking Shadow Pokémon mechanics, I may try and think of something for that as well, but right now I just have one thing- rename Fever to Hyper Mode. It's called Hyper Mode in Colosseum and Reverse Mode in XD, and what we have in FB is closer to Hyper Mode, in that it actually has some sort of upside. The games describe these modes as the Pokémon's emotions "rising to a fever pitch", which is where the "fever" bit came from, but come on. We have a perfectly good name for it in canon already, don't we?
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Move Relearner: Could and probably should be standard.
Unnatural TMs: Stick a level lock on it, maybe lv20+.
Happiness evos: See above, stick it behind an adventuring requirement.
Couple of custom moves: Stick em on items and maybe throw custom move items in the Watt Shop or something.
Gatekeeping Advanced Moves: Stick a level lock on it, maybe like lv50+.
Double Daycare rewards: Can it or make baseline.
Because it's relevant, posting the current bond benefits and proposed changes for what could be done with them in the event of axing Bond. That said, Gary did say he was looking into it, so there's probably going to be an Actual Thread for it soon.
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I really like the suggestion of making the Advanced Move perks related to level rather than bond, it makes more sense that a Pokemon might learn a move like Blast Burn through intense training rather than through happiness and it also gives people an incentive to level up their Pokemon. I'd suggest having a first Advanced Move available at Lv.50 and the second Advanced Move OR a Shadow Move available at Lv.100.

I also think it's fine to increase the daycare rewards, the games have made levelling much easier and I don't think it would hurt to follow suit.

I do think happiness evolutions pose one of the biggest issues to scrapping bond altogether, although perhaps a shop could be kept in place for raising the bond for these Pokemon, with a smaller scoring system like MM suggested.

There's also Return and Frustration to consider - although I think their power should be dictated by the owner of the Pokemon and/or their updator. In raids they could default to their maximum power.

Finally, it might be worth allowing some bond for levels/moves exchange so that the bond earned by people over the years isn't completely wasted. Either that, or allowing them to keep the perks they have unlocked.

I realise these suggestions are more focused on the scrap bond outcome but I'm also in favour of preserving it at a smaller and more simplified scale.
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