10-14-2010, 06:56 PM | #26 |
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I don't see why you'd be having ego problems.
A, maybe you should quit comparing Remember11 to Ever17. The quality of the narrative is the same, but the details of the story they're wanting to tell are very different. Heck, you can tell that the team anticipated and sought to address players' comparing the game with Ever17 by certain actions they undertook very early on! For example ... HUGE Ever17 spoiler, but not even a spoiler in the slightest for Remember11 Spoiler: show I mean, this is clearly not trying to be Ever17. So you say "it all falls flat," but I think that's only because you're, as you put it yourself, Spoiler: show B, keeping Kokoro and Yukidoh straight is fairly simple IMHO. It's easy both to keep the cabin and SPHIA straight as well as to contemplate "what is Yukidoh doing while we're not there with him?" Actually, contemplating these sorts of things is what's making this game loads of fun for me. And I'd say it's no different from how in Ever17 you might have contemplated, "I wonder where Tsugumi wandered off to? I wonder what she was up to? " while you were playing Kid x Yuu, and then you pretty much get to see the answers to those questions when you play Takeshi x Tsugumi. (Allowing, of course, for Path 5's twist on that interpretation. If you don't allow for it, then ... well, just allow for it. ) ================================================== =========== I've reached Day 4 on Kokoro's path. The game's getting even better! I think that while it's still not as good as Ever17 was at that game's peak, Remember11 is much faster-paced than Ever17 was. I feel like I've gotten as much excitement out of these four days with Kokoro and Yukito as I did from Kid x Yuu's entire path. (Or Kid x Sara's and Takeshi x Sora's combined.) I think it's mostly due to the fact that the mysteries in Remember11 feel so much closer at hand than did the vague mysteries which flitted about in Ever17. Some of Ever17's mysteries, you didn't even really THINK about (like the big spoiler I mentioned earlier in the post) until they hit you in the face. And you were like, "Whoa. Holy shit." Whereas in Remember11, you're right-off-the-bat attempting to connect dots. Like ... (safe to click once you reach the start of Day 3) Spoiler: show And I could keep going. I didn't even get to mention the newspaper. You see, that's because there's JUST that much going on in Remember11 that you the player are acutely aware of. It's a very engaging mystery game. I feel like Ever17 had far fewer of these sorts of questions to answer. But I told you to knock it off comparing Ever17 to Remember11, so maybe I should too. Anyway. Start of Day 4. BBB's out of reach, and Doppel looks like he's ravenously ready to lap me. We'll see what happens. lol
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10-14-2010, 07:24 PM | #27 | |
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You misunderstand. :p I am not criticizing Remember11 at all. I am going into it "in the know" about the great secrets of Ever17.
Ever17/Remember11 spoiler - Spoiler: show Again, NOT a criticism, just my perspective. I had this same problem with Chaos;Head at first too, thinking I was some kind of big shot watching over some loser NEET like Takumi. But that sort of wore away as Takumi proved to be more and more pitifully awful a human being. And I totally got that impression from the mirror scene! I kept thinking to myself "naw, no way" and it happened . Then I was like, "nice, Kokoro's pretty cute, it'll be nice to play as a cute 20-something girl for once. ". Quote:
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BWAHAHAHAHA!
After two days of struggling with all this newfangled technology, I have successfully installed Remember11 with the translation patch! I shall catch up to you all this weekend, nyah! (*still wrangling with FSN and Ever17*) Question: Whenever I hover my mouse over the window, it causes the messages to progress. Is this supposed to happen? Is there any way I can turn this feature off?
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Well, I reached the end of Day 4 and HOLY SHIT!
Spoiler: show Wow. Just wow. Decent-sized Ever17 spoiler; comparison between Ever17 and Remember11 Spoiler: show Thoughts ...
Going to bed for the night. Gotta get up really early tomorrow. Grumble grumble. [/wants to still play]
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I'm back, play time~!
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I'm currently just past the prologue. Really liking the atmosphere so far. I love psychology, so I find this premise highly intriguing. DID? I wrote a paper on that that last year. And archetypes? Sweet! Should probably go to bed soon though, bah. x.X *fiddles with saving*
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Anyway, I'll give my opinion on one of Suigin's questions. It's something I guessed from the beginning, so it's not really a spoiler. Spoiler: show I'm at 60% I just got back from work and I have the next two days off, so it's time to burn it in full throttle! Also, Satoru's side in the newspaper scene was great. EDIT: Bah! Every time Mrs. Cleo explains something, Sora instantly comes to mind. Last edited by big bad birtha; 10-15-2010 at 12:19 AM. |
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10-15-2010, 12:22 AM | #34 |
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Dang BBB, slow down and smell the roses.
Also TALON you sly fox, I see what you did there. :P Bringing my attention to the mirror scene, only for it to roar back with a vengeance. I'd half suspected it, but I didn't think it would be the case given Kokoro's voice.
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God damnit. It seems one of my predictions was wrong (safe at 65% progress)
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9% progress. I'm at the medicine choice. Should I take them or not?
I'm really enjoying the mindscrew plot. Funny how just last week I broke my friend's mind in a similar manner. I convinced her that her entire life is a lie: all her friends - including myself - are hallucinations and that her dorm is actually an institution. Maybe I should introduce her to this game. X3 (We took Psychology together, and now we're both addicted to it.)
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10-15-2010, 11:38 AM | #38 |
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Corsola's surpassed me, I guess? I just met Mayuzumi and have to concede she is really stuck up. Yomogi is pretty cool too.
But what is happening? It's like Snow Mountain Syndrome all over again, except everything leading up to cabin fever has been forgotten. ... Oh jeez, Yuni's going to get his neck snapped. WRONG THING TO SAY DUDE.
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Spoiler: show Spoiler about the details behind the two choices. Safe to read now if you're lax. Safe to read at the start of Day 4 (I think?) if you're uptight like me: Spoiler: show BBB, you mentioned your theory about SPHIA. I have two problems with it. They are: Spoiler: show Final comment that I need to put in a different spoiler tag because I don't want lilblue to read it under any circumstances until she's played Ever17 once or twice all the way through. Spoiler: show
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It sucks to be behind, because I can't click on most of Talon's and BBB's spoilers, but that doesn't mean it can't work the other way, right?
My idea of what's going on - Spoiler: show AHAHAHAHA, I would have acted just like Yomogi there. ...and I've gotten to the newspaper scene. My blood is frozen. I'm an expert at coagulation, so I don't have DIC or anything. I'm just really, really scared. ... How did the newspaper get there? Spoiler: show
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ARGH! So many typos. Losing patience.
Spoiler: show WAH! SUCH A GREAT GAME! So. All that bitching aside ... I'm really happy that the TLWiki team pulled through on this one. They could have disbanded for any number of reasons, but they didn't. And so, as a result, we get to enjoy this wonderful mystery-thriller. I've reached the start of Day 6. It says I'm 33% of the way through. Play time is something around 10 hours. (Yikes! ) I've managed to get Kokoro killed in a number of different ways since the last time I posted. ^^; I've also begun to formulate some new theories about what the hell's happening. Safe once you're at Kokoro Day 6. Spoiler: show
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The point about the newspaper does make your theory sound plausibe, Dopple. I've yet to formulate a theory of my own yet. Instead of playing, I've been doing some reseach on all the psychological/historical/cultural references, trying to figure out how they connect together.
Random observations/speculation so far: Spoiler: show
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Different writers have different opinions about ...
(safe if you're safe to be reading Doppel's posts) Spoiler: show Doppel, just what on Earth did you link us to? O_o;
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My opinion of Carl Jung is a low one, I must admit. Even lower than that terrible, terrible malpracticer that is Sigmund Freud. (The crimes he committed against some of his patients are just terrible. I am appalled at the thought that a licensed physician would install false memories into his patients by way of psychotherapy. Absolutely appalled.) Because while Freud was a terrible human being, I feel as though Jung was just plain fuckin' nuts. Some of his ideas may have been in vogue in the early 20th Century, but they don't hold up worth a damn today. Ideas like the inheritance of thoughts (e.g. I remember reading in my psych text that Jung believed that humans passed on to their offspring concepts like "circle" or "red") ... I dunno, stuff like that just really put me off Jung. But, all that stated, I really love psychology, and I'm interested to find out what all of these Jungian terms mean and how they apply to our characters. For this reason, I think I'll really be looking forward to reading your posts, lilblue!
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I don't subscribe to Freud's or Jung's theories either. But having learned all these psychology terms last year, it's cool to see the knowledge come in handy. Plus I particularly like the idea of "persona" and "shadow" archetypes. X3 (You'll probably understand once you read my Itsuki analysis. ^^; )
Edit- Start of Day 2. LOL at the bathroom scene! I don't even know what the "extra step" requires... (Don't tell me.)
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The opening movie lagged horribly for me, so I haven't rewatched it proper, but remembering how Ever17 foreshadowed key points in its opening I decided against trying a second shot until I've beaten this game, for the same reasons as Talon.
Also Talon, I'm familiar with your view on time-travel (another reason I recommended Natsu no Arashi! to you - it is founded on that very philosophy): Spoiler: show
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Well, Doppel, I considered that sort of thing, I have to admit, in large part because:
Ever17 spoilers. Pretty big. Spoiler: show So I mean, there was already company precedent for it. But in any event ... Start of Day 7, reached. Spoiler: show
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