01-26-2010, 03:40 AM | #1 |
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Obama's Awesome Presidency.
Okay, so maybe I'm jumping the gun a tad here, but political science taught me that this kind of turmoil Obama's in was inevitable. A lot of people compared him with Jimmy Carter, but really he's just like Clinton...and will probably be remembered like Clinton was, for good oratory and a few decent accomplishments, but not a whole lot else. Clinton also didn't do a lot of good stuff for the long term either, but I think the two are more similar than Obama-Carter and far more than Obama-Lincoln.
I don't seriously think the Tea Baggers can come out as a legitimate third party, but it could happen...
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01-26-2010, 05:12 AM | #2 |
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From a perspective in England, he's not really done alot (from what we hear). I know he's trying to get the whole NHS thing going (free healthcare) but I think all in all he gave the USA a sense of hope. Having a black guy as a president seemed to renew your faith in modern times and proved that we have come a long way. Maybe the next step is to rebuild the USA, but with the recession, who has the money?
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01-26-2010, 05:45 AM | #3 |
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First let me point out to Treep that Presidents can serve a maximum of two terms, but all presidential terms are a concrete four years. Who holds the majority of the House and Senate does not dictate who is actually in charge of the government. Clinton presided over a Republican Congress for six of his years, while Bush had a Democratic congress for the last two of his.
Dopple, it is totally nonsensical to call Obama's presidency a failure at this point. First of all, I don't know how you're quantifying Clinton as a "good orator and having a few decent accomplishments" when he presided over one of only two times in our nations history to have a balanced budget. I'll put it to you in terms of a humorous political cartoon. Clinton was certainly a great speaker, but he was also a pretty damned good president, certainly the best we've had in a long while, probably since JFK, possibly since Eisenhower. (That may not speak volumes about his peer-presidents, but it does show that it's a hard job to do well). Back on the subject of Obama. Some of the accolades he's been given are fairly ridiculous (Nobel Peace Prize), but he's increased science funding to 3% of the GDP, helped stop a possible depression, he's removed the ridiculous federal restriction placed on states that went to the curb under Dubya, lobbied for Swine Flu Donations, increased funding for Global Warming research, he's granted us unprecedented transparency (you should see some of the backlogs of information we're only just now getting under the freedom of information act that Bush had stonewalled), he's shutting down unlawful detainment camps and reoutlawed torture, and, oh yes, he's working on a plan that will give the US the bare bones of healthcare that most every other advanced nation enjoys. Another plus from Obama that I've seen from living abroad these past few years is that the opinion of the US in the rest of the world has skyrocketed. I've gone from being in a Doctor's office and being asked "Where are you from?" "Texas." "Oh. OH! Bush is from there, isn't he? He's a son of a bitch." "Yes. Yes he certainly is". To hearing the Australian news regularly report good things about us and what Obama is doing. It's nice for the citizenry of one of the five or so nations that actually continued to support us through the entirety of the Iraq debacle now actually doesn't think we're all bastards for getting them involved over there. I'm just saying.
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01-26-2010, 07:48 AM | #4 |
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Oh. I thought it was three terms maximum of four years.
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01-26-2010, 07:49 AM | #5 |
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Go Reaganomics! Wooo!
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01-26-2010, 08:22 AM | #6 |
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Obviously our very own panda in a tree thinks wrongly.
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01-26-2010, 06:41 PM | #8 |
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>I don't seriously think the Tea Baggers can come out as a legitimate third party, but it could happen...
The "Tea Baggers" are a sensationalist group basing their whole party on a function of government that is going to happen regardless of what you do and a horrible misinterpretation of American Revolutionary history. The likelihood of them becoming their own party, let alone anything other than a conservative splinter group, is low. Though they would have a really hilarious name. PS: The only thing anyone remembers Clinton for anymore is Monica. A shame, since he actually did do worthwhile things.
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01-27-2010, 03:29 PM | #10 |
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Speaking on behalf of Britain, which I don't do often, we'll swap. Hell, you can have Blair as well seeing as your country seemed to love him on the whole. 2 for the price of 1!
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01-27-2010, 03:50 PM | #11 |
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Weren't you in diapers for like, the latter half of his presidency?
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As far as the balanced budget goes, he did impressively generate one, but the excess money wasn't actually used to repay holders of US debt instruments, it was brought over to Bush's administration. Bush chose to issue a tax break instead of buy back bonds, which is suboptimal from an economics point of view but did some temporary good, and he didn't dig a deeper deficit...until the war. Quote:
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Good point about the transparency. The healthcare bill, while a noble idea, is bad in practice and will kill us in the long run if it's implemented into law as-is. Quote:
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And your point is?
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