01-09-2012, 09:12 PM | #76 |
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I intend on doing Hanako's route last. She seems like she has the most story behind her, so I'm sure her path will be the most interesting. I've learned from doing harem VNs in the past that it's best to start with the least interesting route, then end with the most interesting. If I don't, I might end up losing interest after doing the best route.
Also, in Emi's route, I think I might have spotted Nayuki from Kanon. During the race start CG, someone looks alot like Nayuki is on the start-up line. |
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bbb: can enjoy a VN in its entirety in a very short span of time Talon: can only enjoy a VN bit by bit. Gets overloaded and has to put it down for a while. So that's part of why I want to do Hanako's route now. A, 'cause she's my favorite going in and I just can't wait. B, because I want to be able to discuss her route with fellow fans (and to avoid route spoilers!) as soon as possible. C, because if I don't do it now, I may never get a chance to.
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Critical consensus seems to be Lily has the best path, so I'm probably going to go onto hers first. I've already heard some stuff about Emi, Rin and Shizune. Nothing about Hanako except a positively remarkable CG.
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I just finished Emi's route. It was a little better in Shizune's route, but not that much better. Also, how Emi's internal crisis was solved just felt so damn anticlimactic.
Spoiler: show For the most part, the route was pretty boring. I like the characters' mindsets, and the lessons behind what's going on, but that doesn't help if all of that bores me to tears. Kenji prediction: Spoiler: show I guess next will be Lily's route. Also, I found something that makes playing a bit easier. Even though the enter key doesn't progress with text, the space bar does! I figured that out when trying to view an image without the text (spacebar almost always does that). |
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"Rules cannot remove human nature, after all, only suppress it."
The Hanako route has been so good that Act 02 came and went in the blink of an eye. I can't believe that I'm already on Act 03. The missing CG(s) still don't seem to have appeared. I don't have any images in my Library of Lilly, Hisao, and Hanako having lunch together (from Act 1). A new absence is the one picture above: it's a variant of the first Hanako CG. My first Hanako CG is still only showing three states, but by now it should be showing four or five since I've unlocked one or two new ones since docking onto the Hanako path. (Same exact bean bag chair and everything, just different facial expressions.) One of only two songs that was missing has now been filled in. It's called "Painful History" and it's a song that first plays in the Hanako Path towards the very end of Act 2. This leaves me with only one song left to discover. Hanako Path Act 2 discussion: (safe to click once you finish Act 2) Spoiler: show
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Oh my God. ;-; Halfway through Act 3 (or perhaps close to the end of Act 3 if Hanako's Act 4 is especially long), and ... that scene was just intense. So intense that when they then up the ante with the phone call, I had to save, take an emotional breather, and write up a bit of an update. Just ... wow. Not that Emi hasn't suffered, not that Emi's path wasn't good ('cause it was good!), but ... that was a maelstrom of raw emotion.
"Spoiler" MEANS SPOILERS! Please don't click if you haven't yet unlocked the scene named "Treading Softly," the name of the scene which immediately follows the ones I'm going to talk about in this update. Spoiler: show
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The Hanako route continues. Picked it up again late last night and then just now when I had a break. Currently registering 41% completion with the game and am at the very start of the fifth event in Hanako Act 4. A full rundown of what all I've seen as well as thoughts about what I've seen in the spoiler box below.
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Approximately 8h50m to completion. (My last save was at 8h27m and was before the final scene of the game.) Just like with the Emi path, I'll say this: whether the Good End is a happy ending or a sad ending, you'll just have to see for yourself. Spoiler: show I'm only two paths in, but already I'm finding it pretty difficult to say which path I liked more. I liked them both fairly equally in the end, but in different ways / for different reasons. I'd say I liked Hanako's path more for the girl and the events but that I liked Emi's path more for the psychological and emotional issues explored. Both were very good paths. Note: This is the first of three posts written last night. I completed the Hanako Path yesterday afternoon / evening.
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The Bad End Blues So, normally I'm not a completionist when it comes to VNs. I never did unlock the Bad End for Sora and Tsugumi in Ever17. Nor did I try and get all of the conversations squeezed out of Remember11. Content to unlock the best, truest end from a VN, I usually tuck it away once that mission is accomplished. But for whatever reason, I felt differently towards Katawa Shoujo. So after I completed Hanako's path, I thought to myself, "How about we go ahead and unlock the Hanako Bad End? And after we do that, how about the Emi Bad End?" Well, let me tell you, dear reader: you won't like what you find at the end of these dark rainbows. "Spoiler" means SPOILERS! Don't click if you don't want to see what some are calling the most epic CG in the game. At least, not until you unlock it for yourself. Spoiler: show If the other bad ends are like this, I'm afraid that Shizune's and Lilly's are going to give me nightmares. As for Rin's, I really have no idea what to expect, but I can't imagine that it will be pleasant. Note: this is the second of three posts written last night. I did this Bad End stuff late at night January 11.
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So, I decided to go ahead and try for the Rin path last night. Having heard that Rin's path was more particularly difficult to dock onto than some of the other characters', I was surprised when I managed to land onto it on my very first try. I think that the only reason people felt that Rin's path was hard to achieve was that they didn't appreciate how VN route docking hierarchies typically work. After my chance encounter with the Day of Despair, I knew that I couldn't simply turn away all of the girls. I knew that if I did that, I'd only wind up with the Day of Despair once again. So I planned accordingly and, what do you know, I docked onto the Rin path on my first try. From what I was able to discern (through my own successful docking), Rin's path is the second-from-the-last path you get, the last path (or the default path) being the Day of Despair path. This might explain why others have found it hard to get -- because they either end up getting one of the other four girls or else they overcompensate and end up getting the Day of Despair. But if you play intelligently, you shouldn't have any trouble docking onto the Rin path either. More details after the break. Spoiler: show So in any event ... I guess the plan now is to go ahead and get Rin out of the way since she's my least favorite girl (sorry, Rin =\) and to save two of the better girls for last. From where I'm sitting right now, I'm feeling Hanako > Shizune > Lilly > Emi > Rin. Given this, I'd like to get Rin out of the way, then do Lilly, and save the second best, Shizune, for last; however, bbb has reported that Shizune's route was majorly disappointing, which is alarming , and Doppel has reported that the "word on the street" is that Lilly's route is the strongest. If that's the case, then I may wish to do Shizune fourth and save Lilly for last instead. Either way, though, going for Rin third seems to be a safe bet. Note: this is the third of three posts written Sorry for making what are now six posts in a row, but ... I deliberately held off on posting the first post because I was hopeful somebody else would post first. When no one did and I had three posts sitting on my hard drive, I said "Enough is enough " and figured that I may as well go ahead and post these.
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I just finished Lily's path. It was a nice path, which actually caught my interest. The romance wasn't badly done, and unlike the other two paths I played, it actually made use of Hisao's heart condition. The path also had a nice message going on about how they should be strong and independent, despite their circumstances. Unfortunately, near the end, that message goes to complete shit. That message completely turns into "I can't live without you, baby!"
Someone mentioned an inconsistency in how long it took Hisao to get to school. I think I'll shed some light on why the times might be different by showing Hisao's trip to school on different days: Hisao wakes up, Hisao puts his cloths on, Hisao reaches for the door knob, HEART ATTACK!, Hisao leaves his room, Hisao goes down the stars in his dorm room, HEART ATTACK!, Hisao leaves his dorm room, Hisao goes down the path to school, Hisao enters school, Hisao walks down the hallway, HEART ATTACK!, Hisao is dead for 10 minutes, Hisao walks to the third year section, Hisao reaches his class room, HEART ATTACK!, Hisao enters his class room. You see, the times the "HEART ATTACK!" occurs is always different, so of course the times will be different. Next, I'll be hitting Rin's path. Only two more to go! |
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I'm not completely sure myself. I read somewhere that said that the times it took for Hisao to get to school were different. I never paid close enough attention to agree or disagree, so I decided to make a scenario where it'd make sense if the times it took him to get to school really were different!
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Tr-tr-tr-tr-TRIPLE POOOOOOOOOST FUUUUUURY!
I just finished with Rin's path. I have to say, DAMN I'm good! From the paths I've done, they started with boring, and have progressively gotten more interesting. I think Rin's path has been the best path so far. Though, that's only because I really like Rin's way of thinking. She questions everything, and rarely gets caught up in petty emotion. My biggest complaint of this path has to be Hisao's attitude towards her at the end. He really should have seen her attitude towards him coming, so I think his reaction to it was unreasonable. Now that I have finished Rin's path, Hanako's path is all that stands in my way! |
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I'm sitting at 54% completion and am roughly two-thirds of the way through Rin's Library events. (I don't know how long Act 3 is, but I'm quite a ways through it already.) While I've been casually enjoying Rin's path, the fact that I haven't felt compelled to post about it should probably speak to how unsatisfying I find it compared with the other paths. I don't like enigmatic girls and Rin is one hell of an enigma. She's impossible to figure out, I feel like I don't even know her, etc etc. I just don't like her. I don't see how Hisao could have even fallen in love with her yet. The part where he confessed to her and ...
Spoiler: show I talked with some guys online the other day. They were very polite, as spoiler-averse as I am, and had made roughly the same progress as me too. We talked a bit about KS and I got the impression from them that, given my remaining available options, it would be smartest to do Shizune next and to follow that up with Lilly. I'm disappointed to hear that since Shizune is tentatively my #2 girl but it would certainly fit with bbb's utter lack of enthusiasm for Shizune's route. Then again, if bbb loved Rin's route and I found it so boring I didn't even want to post more about it , maybe that speaks to how different we are and how what we're looking to take out of Katawa Shoujo is very different as well. So ... who knows. *crosses fingers, still hoping for the Shizune Path to be amazing* Since you do have me talking, though, I guess I'll say one thing I've noticed about Rin's path: the choices are immensely more difficult than any of the choices from other paths. The choices in Emi's and Hanako's paths were pretty cut and dry. For example, they might be something like "(A) Call it a day; or (B) Ask Hanako to go into the city with you." Very obvious choices where A is the "you get to see nothing and you get -1 Hanako points" pick and where B is the "you get to see a cute Hanako scene and you get +1 Hanako points" pick. For the most part, this is what all the choices in those two girls' paths were like. But with Rin, the choices are like this: (I don't consider this a terrible spoiler, but if you're mega-spoiler averse, then don't click.) Spoiler: show Yeah. Not easy at all. And I feel like two-thirds or more of the choices on Rin's path are like this: no-win situations where it's impossible to know what the devs want you to pick in order to unlock the Good End (IRL attitude) as well as where it's impossible to know what the right thing to do is (in-universe attitude). Maybe this is why I don't like Rin: being very rational, I don't like someone who defies logic, who is un-figure out-able. She's just ... very frustrating. I'm glad I chose to do this route third instead of last because I think I would have hated ending the game on this note.
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As instructed by Yuki, I should post. Only an hour and a half in, but already loving it. Nice premise, awesome music, interesting characters that keep me engaged, quite the good game.
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Not at all! :o Not at all! Welcome aboard. A little apprehensive about minors playing an adult PC game, sure, but having completed 2˝ of the game's five routes so far, I can earnestly vouch for its integrity and quality of writing. I think it's well worth anyone's time to play/read, adult or teenager. Let us know as much or as little as you like about your playthrough experience: memorable scenes, favorite characters, objects of your affection , and so on. And please do feel free to read back through the thread and reply to as little of or as much of the posts written by bbb, Doppel, and myself. We would love to hear your thoughts both in general as well as in how they relate to our own.
An hour and a half in ... I'm guessing you're still on Act 1 then? I guess I should ask, how many of the main five girls have you met yet? (I'm thinking you should have just barely met the fifth one by now, but maybe not. Depends on how quickly or how leisurely you play.) What did you think of that opening scene to the game, huh?
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I'm kinda quick when it comes to games, so I've met all five by now. I'm growing close to all equally, I think. I first liked Shizune, gave me a mischievous air to her serious demeanor. Hanako is starting to grow on me, intrigued by her backstory(Have not seen it yet). Lily is kind, but it seems as if shes holding something back, especially when in a room with Shizune. Rin and Emi are odd in their ways, but are enjoyable. As a redhead lover, might go for Rin, but just started, I'll see who I open up to. Or vice versa. As for the opening scene, was quite dramatic. A lot more heartfelt then others I've seen like it.
Edit: Kenji is a very, very, very odd boy.
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Apparently there are people out there who hate Kenji. I have no idea why. (Light may be shed on this once I complete the game, I don't know.) So far, though, I have to say that I think Kenji is incredible. He is basically this game's Sunohara (Clannad) and he does it very, very well. Every route has Kenji offering something new and outrageous to share with Hisao.
Looking forward to hearing your status update report tomorrow. Interested to see which route you docked onto.
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It's not that I don't like him, just that he's realy strange. The silly anti-feminst. Currently owns me 900 yen.
Well, it looks like I'm on Emi's path, not seening much of anyone besides her and Rin, and having gone to the track meet and meetting her mom. And its bad enough that her adorablness is rubbing off on me. Indeed, I'm becoming Emi-ish. Why am I speaking if I'm Hisao? Edit: By the way, the nurse is awesome. Kick ass theme too.
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Spoiler: show Docking onto Emi's path first seems to be the commonest outcome for players. From those I've talked to or from those posts I've read, it seems that a disproportionate (i.e. > 20%) number of people wind up on her path first. I think the reason for this is ... (explaining Emi Path docking) Spoiler: show It sounds like you're on Emi's path. Well, you can confirm it for yourself pretty easily by this point: whenever you see a movie for a girl preceding Act 2, that's the confirmation that you've docked onto so-and-so's path. In some cases, notably Rin's and Emi's, the actual docking takes place much much sooner than the time you reach the end of Act 1. In other cases, like Hanako's, you don't appear to officially dock right up until the day before the f______l, although you certainly do many things with her prior to that point. So ... yeah. If you saw the movie file with Hisao and Emi on the track, which I'm all but certain you did, then yes, you're on the Emi path. The other way you can easily confirm for yourself what path you're on is to go to your Library (Main Menu --> Extras --> Library) and to click on the tab of the girl's name which is now in bold for you. The others should all be grayed out and will remain grayed out until you successfully reach their Act 2's. Regarding what's now 100% safe for you to read, well, since I know you've seen the track meet, you can definitely read this post (post #56 in this thread) as well as anything else I may have written before it. Actually, you can read Post #58 too. After that would be the first of the new stuff for you.
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I had my inklings whether he would be a "problem" or not, but even after being scolded for pushing limits, he's till cool. Makes the awkward jokes and innuendos but he's a pretty cool guy. >Post 56 Spoiler: show Status Update Spoiler: show
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I dunno, we can compare times-to-completion once you finish the path. I took a little under eight hours to complete Emi's and a little over eight hours, nearing nine hours, to complete Hanako's. My Rin path will be considerably shorter but that's mostly because I used the Skip Text function to completely blow through any and all old text in Act 1 that time. (Didn't do the same thing with Hanako, so my Hanako completion time's a better reflection, I think, of how long it'd really take to complete that path on a first-ever run.) You may be a fast VN gamer, you may not be, who knows. Probably are.
Regarding the "pedo guro stalker" speculation of mine from Spoiler: show If you need to know how to get onto the Rin path, I explain how I did it in one of my more recent posts in this thread. Alternatively, there are multiple walkthroughs available on the official site. I haven't peeped at a single one of them, so I can't tell you which if any of them are good and which if any of them are bad, but I know that they exist.
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Rin Path Good End, Get 6h30m after starting it, I got to the end of the game with Rin. Now, I should point out that the Rin path is (by sheer number of events) the longest of the three paths I've played so far, so don't be fooled by that comparatively small completion time. You could easily tack on an additional two hours for Act 1 if I'd played it at the same pace I did with Emi or Hanako, and you could probably tack on additional half hour for several of the Bad Ends I unlocked along the way. 63% completion is what I'm registering right now in my Library. For Rin's path, I'm missing one stray event in Act 3 (which I would think is either a fun optional scene I happened to miss or else is a very early Bad End) and I'm missing three consecutive events in Act 4 which I'm assuming are Rin's Ultimate Bad End. I say "ultimate" because the Rin path is frought with Bad Ends -- I encountered no fewer than two myself, and who knows how many others I may have avoided -- but given that these three consecutive events take place after a particularly big choice you have to make, I'm guessing that they formulate a rather lengthy Bad End for Hisao and Rin. In my Gallery, I appear to have every single CG for Rin but one. I forget its location in the Gallery but I do remember that it precedes the first of the multiple CGs that go with the final sex scene. I am assuming that it, too, ties into the ultimate Bad End of Rin's path. Thoughts. I would say ... the Rin path ended up improving in the end but it's still probably my least favorite route. It improved because (1) they actually tackled the fact that Rin is so frustratingly weird and how her weirdness more or less cripples any chance she has for a normal relationship with people and (2) because holy shit did it have an epic emotional scene towards the end. (Clue: art club room.) There were many times in these two's relationship where I thought things were surely over and that I was watching a Bad End unfold. (In fact, there was one time where the dialogue from a Bad End I'd previously unlocked was replicated word-for-word in the Good End path, the only difference being that whereas with the Bad End the game just ended, with the Good End a few days passed and then Hisao did something about it. In other words, even when you're Good Ending, you feel like you're Bad Ending!) But at the end of the game, especially, things got pretty big. It was the first time I found myself really invested in this path. It's a shame that it was both too little and too late to salvage my overall impression of the path. The Rin Path seems to have been an IRL artist's confessional. Thus, I think that if you are an art student and you either have experienced what Rin experiences or else you know someone else who has, then this path will resonate with you on that level. For the rest of us, though, the path is romantically limited (far more so than either the Emi or the Hanako paths) and is also plot-wise kinda dull. There are very few comedy moments and even the sex scenes are rather disappointing. In other words ... the path is pretty much Rin or bust. Either you like and are fascinated by what she's going through or else you don't care for her and find the path to be a bore. I should have liked to have posted some pictures to go along with these comments but since they were for the most part non-spoiler comments, I opted to withhold images this time if it meant that I could post this post as is, without any spoiler tag.
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