12-23-2017, 12:42 PM | #26 |
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Talon, Palpatine didn't lose.
After reading this again, I guess Plagueis didn't, either.
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12-24-2017, 08:28 PM | #27 |
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YouTuber asks, "Did one of the main actors not know how the film was going to end?"
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I liked some of it, disliked some of it (I won't repeat the criticisms that have already been expressed here) but the thing I was most unhappy about was:
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10-13-2018, 11:13 PM | #32 |
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I watched parts of this, not really paying much attention.
My biggest beef with it is how antiquated it feels. When I saw SW as a child, the fantasy elements splashed with the science fiction made for an alluring universe that I wanted to know more about. But I can't watch a movie like TLJ without comparing it to our current world, which feels more futuristic than that movie. Like why are the droids so dumb? Humans created AI #1 that beat the best Go player in the world, then created another AI that beat AI #1 100-0 at Go. Yet, C3PO can't beat Chewbacca at holographic chess. The First Order and Resistance are still using human fighter pilots when the freaking Trade Federation, 40 years earlier used drones in the form of the Droid Army. Conflict doesn't make any sense or have any referendum on human nature like Star Trek likes to do, which helps ground the story with a sense of timelessness. Humans don't change much despite the gadgets and knowledge around us constantly taking steps forward. But I think there's a big difference between human desire, and actually repeating history for reasons Ultimately, TLJ feels a lot like Jurassic World as a shallow nostalgia grab. Perhaps more insulting in that people actually spent billions to watch this crud. If I were interested in watching poop I'd look in a toilet.
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The thing is, Lucas and others could indeed imagine Alpha Go's existence. Arthur C. Clarke created HAL 9000 in 1968, one decade before Star Wars first hit theater screens. Isaac Asimov's I, Robot is a collection of stories many of which were penned years before Bell Labs' development of the transistor in 1947. WW2 was fought without transistors, and yet here was Isaac Asimov writing tales about androids with human-like capacities for thought and action. But what Lucas, If you presume that Go is an "unbeatable" problem, as many mathematicians and computer scientists presumed in the 1990s; and if you presume that the rate at which technology will expand from 1977 to 2077 is comparable with the rate at which it expanded from 1877 to 1977; then it is not only understandable but indeed demands our forgiveness that Lucas et al would have written stories as they did, depicting advanced droids capable of human-like performance but only just human -- not so superior as to replace humans in the cockpits of fighter jets. "A fighter jet still requires a human touch, a keen sense of vision and purpose. A computer can help with calculations. A human pilots." Indeed, you get the same problem with Star Trek. Why send humans on voyages into dangerous territory when you can just as well send robots? Why do Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock have to beam down to the planetary surface? Why can't they send down Mr. Data? Indeed, why is Mr. Data not created until 100 years after Captain Kirk? Why does a human-like robot postdate the creation of FTL travel? Fiction writing in the 1960s and '70s was captivated by relativity. Albert Einstein was their God. You see it in just about every piece of science fiction writing set in outer space and written at that time -- "warp", "hyperspace", even Herbert's Dune with the Spacing Guild's Navigators and their ability to fold space to facilitate FTL travel between worlds. All of this we are still talking about today, in 2018 -- but joining the conversation today is the fantasy permitted by our knowledge of the computer science revolution of the late 20th century. Fiction writers of the '60s and '70s not only believed FTL travel to be sooner achieved than Lt. Cmdr. Data -- they wished it. FTL travel was the Holy Grail of every boy who grew up with a passion for astrophysics spurred on by the Space Race of the '50s and '60s. Computers were only ever fancy calculators and terminals; few were the writers who prioritized them over human travel to the far-flung reaches of space. Fewer still were those who envisioned us achieving sapient android technology before the year 2100.
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I can still ground Lucas' thesis that is the original SW in its context. That's why my acrimony is toward TIJ, released in 2017, rather than ANH created in 1977. Indeed a lot of things like The Producers needs an asterisk for cultural context, or else modern audiences won't see what's the big deal.
Your point about FTL is very insightful, but because of that fervent wish among writers it's permeated all science fiction stories, despite being the least realistic idea of them all. So, I can't appreciate a "hard" sci-fi that features some kind of FTL, because the entire world's premise - that human civilization expands and diversifies throughout a universe of varied worlds and distances - is fantasy. My all-time favourite science fiction movie right now is The Martian, as it's about as hard sci-fi as is possible and is a reasonable window into the next decade. It lacks the epistemology of 2001: A Space Odyssey and Interstellar but isn't as fantastical as Star Wars or Star Trek (which featured god-like humanity level extinction events as MOTW). I now have very low tolerance now for anything that deviates too far from this mould.
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But here's the problem: the Star Wars universe is forever grounded in 1977. Or to put it another way: Episode IV is the springboard for all future Star Wars movies. The universe that is established in Episode IV ... is the Star Wars universe. Now you're stuck with it. Either you continue to write off of that universe ... or else you scrap it and say, "No more Star Wars," returning to the drawing board to come up with a better science fiction setting that doesn't contradict what we know today. But it hardly seems fair to give IV a pass while condemning VII and VII for poor science. Theirs is an inherited science, inherited from Episode IV.
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