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Old 12-12-2014, 08:02 PM   #276
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That's not really the point Deh. When the Republicans forced the shutdown, people rightly called them out on it. The Democrats would be doing the exact same thing, and the only defence for it would be "but we're right". Which, guess what, is the exact same reasoning some random Tea Party jobber would've used to support the shutdown last year. Your or my opinion is no more special or important than random Tea Party jobbers. It would be incredibly arrogant to declare a shutdown on the basis of our principles justified and an identical shutdown based on someone elses principles to be not so.

Petty brinkmanship is not how mature responsible people manage a nation of three hundred million people.
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Old 12-12-2014, 09:55 PM   #277
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Whole point of principles is you always think yours are right.
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Old 12-13-2014, 06:45 PM   #278
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Shoutout to Ted Cruz for fighting to keep his title of "Most Hated Person in Congress".
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:01 PM   #279
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Jon Stewart's quitting man. Sad news.
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:43 PM   #280
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We already lost Colbert and now that we lost Jon I feel like crying. I have no reason to watch my television anymore when Survivor isnt on.

At least John Oliver's still going strong; Last Week Tonight is probably my favorite thing to watch.
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:46 PM   #281
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Thoughts on next host?
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:51 PM   #282
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Given the general nature of american politics, would I make a good one?
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:51 PM   #283
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We already lost Colbert
What do you mean we lost Stephen Colbert
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That is NOT a thing
I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT

But no seriously Colbert was/is freaking awesome and I hate to see him go.
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:53 PM   #284
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Thoughts on next host?
I'm assuming they'll use one of the correspondents, Samantha Bee and Jason Jones both looks like good candidates. Hell, they're married, so they might even co-host it.
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Old 02-11-2015, 07:51 PM   #285
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I haven't watched it yet but I've heard some good things about Larry Wilmore (he's got a new show that took Colbert's slot). And of course Last Week Tonight is it's own sort of special so props to John Oliver on that. I can't imagine who will replace Jon Stewart though, one would presume they'd give it to one of the correspondents, but who knows.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:10 PM   #286
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I think Stewart's show with Stewart was a delightfully happy accident. I don't see it being successfully orchestrated again this next time 'round, although I do think they will try.

Stewart had a very unique personality which hybridized the bulldog and the Ludicolo. He had, has, a special knack for superficially being silly and squealy but just under that surface, very perceptibly so, being incredibly serious, sometimes even scathing or damning. If Comedy Central is to replace Stewart successfully, this personality trait, I think, will prove most important to maintaining the same feel as Stewart's Daily Show. Otherwise it's going to be Drew Carry on The Price is Right all over again.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:14 PM   #287
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I'll admit that I never really followed these kind of shows (I don't even know what they are called!) so this really doesn't impact me at all.

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@Stealthy Larry Willmore was good when he was a correspond for The Daily Show, and I assume that will carry over as it has for so many others.

@Talon John Oliver did an admirable job of replacing him last summer while he was filming, so it's clearly doable. Whether it needs someone of his talent level (which, no offense to any of the people who might take over, I think something the current candidates lack) has yet to be seen.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:42 PM   #289
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I think Stewart's show with Stewart was a delightfully happy accident. I don't see it being successfully orchestrated again this next time 'round, although I do think they will try.

Stewart had a very unique personality which hybridized the bulldog and the Ludicolo. He had, has, a special knack for superficially being silly and squealy but just under that surface, very perceptibly so, being incredibly serious, sometimes even scathing or damning. If Comedy Central is to replace Stewart successfully, this personality trait, I think, will prove most important to maintaining the same feel as Stewart's Daily Show. Otherwise it's going to be Drew Carry on The Price is Right all over again.
I think either this, or getting a host who is actually quite far from Stewart's brand of delivery would be good, you never can tell what will make a new host click with the audience. A good example of that would be Steve Harvey taking over hosting duties for Family Feud and seeing it rise to its most popular level ever.
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Old 06-26-2015, 10:13 AM   #290
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Well since the gay marriage thread is locked (and for very understandable reasons on revisiting the now three-year old thread), I guess this as good a place as any to post this update:

Supreme Court rules 5-4 in favor of same-sex marriage. Effective immediately(?), all fifty states must a) provide for gay marriages in their own states and b) recognize gay marriages that happened out of state.

Suffice it to say that it was contentious. All four nays wrote their own individual dissents.
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Old 06-26-2015, 10:28 AM   #291
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Horrible decision.
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Old 06-26-2015, 10:44 AM   #292
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Old 06-26-2015, 10:46 AM   #293
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Old 06-26-2015, 11:21 AM   #294
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You can be pro-gay marriage and think the majority opinion was a complete joke.
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Old 06-26-2015, 12:26 PM   #295
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You can be pro-gay marriage and think the majority opinion was a complete joke.
You could expand on your argument instead of posting two words that make you sound like a complete twat.
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Old 06-26-2015, 12:44 PM   #296
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You could expand on your argument instead of posting two words that make you sound like a complete twat.
I feel the same way about dunces celebrating the ruling without caring about how it completely disregards the US Constitution.
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Old 06-26-2015, 12:48 PM   #297
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I feel the same way about dunces celebrating the ruling without caring about how it completely disregards the US Constitution.
Seems like a pretty straightforward interpretation of the 14th Amendment to me.
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Old 06-26-2015, 01:16 PM   #298
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Don't be such a cunt Mozz. Justify your opinion or piss off.

Anyway I'm happy about the principle but haven't read the ruling so can't say whether fits with the constitution -which I haven't read in about three years haha. I think that people who oppose this principle are on the wrong side of history and demographics so will likely not stay strong for too many years.

Obama's speech was good.
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Old 06-26-2015, 01:42 PM   #299
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Just a few snippets from Roberts and Scalia's dissents:

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Roberts's argument centered around the need to preserve states' rights over what he viewed as following the turn of public opinion. In ruling in favor of gay marriage, he said, "Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law."

Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas joined him in his dissent.

While Roberts said he did not "begrudge" any of the celebrations that would follow the Court ruling, he had serious concerns that the Court had extended its role from constitutional enforcer to activist.

"Understand well what this dissent is about: It is not about whether, in my judgment, the institution of marriage should be changed to include same-sex couples. It is instead about whether, in our democratic republic, that decision should rest with the people acting through their elected representatives, or with five lawyers who happen to hold commissions authorizing them to resolve legal disputes according to law," he wrote.

While, he recognized the decision would be hailed as a major victory for same-sex couples and their allies, he noted they had been set back.

"Supporters of same-sex marriage have achieved considerable success persuading their fellow citizens—through the democratic process—to adopt their view. That ends today," Roberts wrote. "Stealing this issue from the people will for many cast a cloud over same-sex marriage, making a dramatic social change that much more difficult to accept."

Roberts disparaged the majority decision by saying that it was nothing more than a flimsy argument.

"Stripped of its shiny rhetorical gloss, the majority's argument is that the Due Process Clause gives same-sex couples a fundamental right to marry because it will be good for them and for society," Roberts wrote. "If I were a legislator, I would certainly consider that view as a matter of social policy. But as a judge, I find the majority's position indefensible as a matter of constitutional law."
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According to Scalia, the five justices in the majority are using the 14th Amendment in a way that was never intended by its writers. "When the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868, every State limited marriage to one man and one woman, and no one doubted the constitutionality of doing so," he wrote.

"They [the majority] have discovered in the Fourteenth Amendment a 'fundamental right' overlooked by every person alive at the time of ratification, and almost everyone else in the time since."
I understand that these will not sway you, just giving some summations on how one can think this is a bad law without being a horrible mean ol' cunty bigot, or something.
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Old 06-26-2015, 01:53 PM   #300
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Frankly I think Roberts is deliberately and obtusely full of shit. His argument is bollocks. He's a Supreme Court Judge that is literally his role in life. Yes, judicial activism is a serious question which does need to be addressed in a democratic society but you can't hide behind it when you sit on the bench.

Scalia I can get on board with the logic of even if I don't personally agree. I would take Obama's line - interpretation rightly changes with the times, just as we no longer stone people for eating fish on a Sunday.
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