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I was much more horrified at the previous villain, and a big part was when he killed what's her face, her tongue was hanging out loosely, and he was going to mince her body with those surgical tools. That, I felt, was grotesque - it reminded me of a video I saw from Sweden several years ago (eventually removed from YouTube) involving what looked like a grinding gear in a ditch, where animal bodies were dumped in and ground into a slush. It was repulsive because the horse that dumped in had its tongue hanging out, so the graphic detail in the previous episode really harkened back to that. Quote:
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Conan had a definite formula - all the culprits were involved in a closed-room case. Open door situations where there's a third party behind the scenes were always ruled out because of the speculation they invite. Conan always look at evidence and if he formed an idea, he'd look in a place where he could find more evidence...there was rarely a case of using evidence to fit a narrative, as I get with Kogami. I find no reason to believe Kogami's speculations except that it's obvious the author is speaking through him, granting legitimacy that's not particular to the character. We know he's legitimate because the anime is simultaneously confirming Kogami's speculations by showing Makishima's activities! This is poor writing. Gen can go forward and make Kogami infallible and it won't mean a darn thing for the plot because he's already jumped the Grand Canyon of logic discontinuity and established that Maki-kun exists and connected. His character might respond to a miscue or mistake, but it isn't worth the plot trade-off, especially when Kogami is, relatively speaking, critically under-developed.
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Kougami. ^^; The name is Kougami. Or Kōgami, take your pick.
And if you're going to argue "beast, ergo not frightening," we're at a discussion impasse. Not only can beasts be frightening, but beasts in men's clothing are the most frightening of all beasts. They may not be as frightening to you as a rational human being, but "bestial humans" are still plenty frightful.
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Recall my D&D alignment - Lawful Evil. I very strongly believe in the rule of law, or more generally, people following the rules. Animals aren't really that scary to me for such a reason, they follow more or less defined rules and predictable behaviour, within certain degrees of certainty. I'm least fearful of someone who doesn't manipulate their own rules, and follows them predictably. I'm more afraid of something I don't understand, i.e. I don't know the rules they're following, so their behaviour is less predictable. And I'm most afraid of someone or something that I know follows rules, but then breaks them. If one doesn't know something, one exercises a certain degree of caution. However, one is most vulnerable believing they know something, but that faith is misplaced. This is why I value loyalty and find crimes like murdering one's parents or adultery notably distasteful...I'm fearful of betrayal in general. In that respect, I was intimidated by the Talisman killer, at least at first, because I didn't understand what was motivating him. It came across as much more horrific than it actually was. Granted, this new guy is pretty disgusting himself. He might be PP's Washizu Iwao. We'll have to see.
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Episode 9!
I'm a bit surprised to hear this is slated for 22 episodes! It really feels like a 13 episode show. In fact it feels a bit "condensed", in that we could have spent more time fleshing things out but are instead rushing through the plot. I'm starting to understand those comments about GITS fans' complaints about this show. Home automation systems have a "speculation circuit" whose apparent purpose is to tease you about your love life! There's a blockbuster product for sure. :V Everyone drinks Anterctic Dorops! \o/ People with higher ratings might be allowed to rejoin society someday when the social system is "more developed". With comments like that, it's obvious that people already believe the Psycho-Pass system is flawed from the start! More social commentary on how people are using their portable devices as replacements for their brains. Why think when your smartphone lets you look things up on a need-to-know basis? This professor is a wannabe Sherlock Holmes. I get that he's smart, but I never could believe these scenes where someone can tell your life story from "little observations".
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I liked Episode 10, all things considered, although it didn't really have much that I was looking for in character development. I liked the fanservice too for some odd reason. D:
Akagi was pretty good at that, but Akagi had a lot more evidence to work with, and his conclusions weren't on the level of discerning one's living family from nothing. That professor dude didn't even give his justification for those conclusions...he just said "experience".
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So like, I don't see why you have a problem with profilers. A, they're real. And B, Psycho-Pass depicted him pretty much just like the ones in real life. They can figure out random-ass shit based on knowledge of population statistics and what physical attributes, from hair style and fashion to mouth shape and a wedding ring's presence or absence, tend to correlate with particular trends. The fact that he left Akane with the impression that he was an über-Holmes was pretty much him doing his job exactly right. Whether subconsciously or consciously, he operated on her the same exact way he'd have operated on an actual criminal. Why tell the criminal you're not a god if they believe you to be one? "Ray, if someone asks you if you're a god, you say -- YES! " lol Quote:
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I saw Episode 11.
Spoiler: show I finally get the "GITS-SAC guys don't like Psycho Pass" attitude. It's the complete antithesis of GITS-SAC - PP advises one to turn one's brain off, for one's own safety. With GITS-SAC, you might try, but then someone points out you have a cyber brain so it doesn't work. Oh well. Sakurasou next! Quote:
-Are you from the Chiba Prefecture? (Yes) = I figured there might be an accent linked to this, but also considered if there is one, normal Japanese wouldn't be able to discern it either. -You were loved as a child (Yes) = easy to guess from someone who acts so shy yet polite, more often than not this will be true. -Your parents are still alive, as is your grandmother, but your grandfather isn't (Yes) = WTF, there's no way he could figure that out without Kogami tipping him off, or Akane saying something. Even if there's statistics, there's no way the statistics would conclusively point toward grandmothers treating their grand-kids (if they even see them!) in any notable way. This was the profile I found completely out of line.
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You've mistaken the bottle of Evian water in a trash can in Yellowstone National Park for Old Faithful. You're either not getting the show (likely) or just trying to tear this show apart (not ruling this out). Will write more later, but ...
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It's pretty clear to me nothing's going to happen to Akane, she's being propped up as this show's saintly ideal. Her turning into a Kougami would be un-justified given what's been established in her character beforehand. Even with what happened in Episode 11, her actions were not character contradictory, just not in agreement with what the audience had been shown prior. That would be a legitimate change in personality for her.
She doesn't have the guts to be a cop, she's basically this show's idol. Granted, we've never heard what colour her Psycho Pass is, whereas we did hear from Mika-kun, so maybe she was darker and not like him at all. Something I also discussed with Morg... Spoiler: show Justification...a lot of speculative observation. But I ain't the police detective!
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Um, that "plot twist" was so obvious we called it without even posting about it. ^^; You would get no brownie points whatsoever for that one. I also think it would be pretty dumb. My preferred theory regarding Masaoka is:
Spoiler: show However, I would happily take you up on your bet about Akane. Namely because I think you're once again off your rocker and this is easy money. So you will get the kudos and 5 Hyoudou-dollars (or whatever they were called ) if you're right, and I will get the kudos and 5 Hyoudou-dollars if I am right. Deal?
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Finished episodes 10 and 11.
Lots of action, danger, even a bloody gunfight set to classical music. The villain is revealed to be more... villainous. I too was disappointed with Akane during the final scene. The only way to make this acceptable is to decide that Akane is not a "heroine". She's an observer, like Watson. She will never be the one who fights in the action scenes. She will never have major decisions, take big risks, or make important sacrifices. It will always be Kogami. Akane's role is to be dumb and make the other characters explain everything to her (and therefore to us, the viewers). I'm not sure I'm going to drop the show here, but I would have preferred it to be 13 episodes with the rate things are going. I'd like to see this story arc wrapped up soon rather than dragged out for 10 more episodes. Plus, I feel the "message" behind this story has been delivered well enough and it doesn't need to be beaten around any more. Edit after seeing your post just before mine: I was assuming the "old man" was Maki-kun, not Masaoka.
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I think you and Doppel negatively reinforced each other on a lot of points, including a lot of your theories. For example, you both seem to have this bizarro interpretation that Akane is strictly an observer character and not in fact the main character (to the exclusion of Kougami) or one of the two main characters (to the inclusion of him). No one else I've talked to shares this opinion of yours. Clearly one of the two of you hatched it, mentioned it on AIM, and reinforced the idea in the other's mind.
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Didn't the mascot-character in episode 2 say Akane's Psycho Pass was a very healthy "powder blue"?
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For me, it was more like haste to write down my surface thoughts so I could go back to watch the next episode. I hope you didn't see them all as disparaging, since they weren't meant to be. It is true that they aren't very deep, though.
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There's zero elaboration on all of the stuff your brought up. We can wonder but it's complete, utter guesswork at this point. If those questions are ever answered, they're going to be dumped through Kougami or someone else before we have a chance to piece things together. GITS was quite a different experience, with gradual clues dropped each episode to the main plot as an aside from the episode plot, which gave insight into the world. GITS is more similar to UN-GO than Psycho-Pass in this respect.
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I originally held off writing this post, my in-depth thoughts on Episode 11, because I had hoped that Yuki would be able to check this episode out before I said anything which might've swayed her opinion. Unfortunately, she wasn't able to beat Morg and Doppel to the punch and their posts pretty much forced my hand. I hadn't wanted to even give her an inkling that this episode was flipping amazing, because that in and of itself might've boosted her expectations inappropriately high, as we know is so common for any of us, and then she might not have enjoyed the episode appropriately. But Doppel's and Morg's heckles and booings have pretty much put out that fire. Now, if anything, I find myself on cleanup duty, having to defend why this episode was a major turning point for the series, why it excited me so (and should excite you too!), and why it was the season's highest point in combining animation, music, voice acting, and plot to produce that which we call "art." Callous though this may sound, I don't really care at this point whether Yuki loves the episode or not -- in fact, I pretty much expect that she won't, my own expectations dashed by Morg's and Doppel's reactions. All I selfishly care about at this point is that I was able to enjoy this myself, unharmed by the spoilers of others, completely unaware that what I was about to witness was to be one of the most impactful scenes of 2012. I feel bad for those of you who won't be able to experience this scene as I did, and below I will explain why you should have had you gone into it spoiler-free. Spoiler: show This post has become so long that I can probably count on one hand the number of human souls who will ever read it all. Perhaps not even anyone besides myself. But for those who are sincerely interested in hearing why I thought the episode rocked, there you have it. If you grow bored or overwhelmed by the earlier bits, I would encourage you to skip ahead to the blue subheading and to read from there.
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Episode 12 was pretty good. A much-needed backstory episode for Kunizuka Yayoi. I kind of question why it was the season opener, but it worked alright in a few different ways.
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Coming out of hiding to make a couple comments after having seen 11.
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And speaking of Another... FUCK THAT FINAL SCENE. I swear, I simply saw plastic umbrellas being sold at the school store today and almost freaked out from the memory of the stairwell. -.- Elevator crashes? A-okay. Exploding from the inside-out? Sure, gimmee more gore. At least that's also a quick death. Any of those I can handle. But this? GDI GEN WHY YOU GOTTA GIVE ME NIGHTMARES. Spoiler: show Something so small, yet it gets me every time... Gah. Anyway, agreeing with Dopple and Morg that... Spoiler: show Sorry to sound harsh so I'll stop there, but the whole episode leaves me sour for several (mostly unrelated) reasons. Just feeling sick/fed up and personally *crawls back in bed and cries under the covers*
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Episode 14 was very good, maybe even great. However, there's just one problem: Psycho-Pass may be becoming more predictable than I would've liked! ^^; A lot of stuff was revealed or hinted at in this episode that people have already called, and that makes me all manner of sad since I genuinely have enjoyed this series, Fate/Zero, and Puella Magi Madoka Magica -- my three outings with Urobuchi Gen -- and I'd have liked it if Gen could've proven himself more able to surprise us. Maybe we're just getting too old for this job. Maybe we're too experienced to be surprised by anime. More after the break. Spoiler: show Okay, I guess that's it. ^^; But it felt like "a lot of stuff" whilst watching. Anyway, I thought it was exciting, I liked that it advanced the main plot, and I liked that it developed some of the characters some more. But its several plot twists were predicted by the viewers and at least one of them is pretty Writing 101 predictable and kinda silly. Given all that happened this week, the best shot all episode in my opinion is the one I went with for this post's title picture above.
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The first half of the episode left me feeling pretty mixed feelings.
Spoiler: show The second half of the episode redeemed the episode for me overall. Spoiler: show I wouldn't say I enjoyed this week's episode as much as I did last week's. I probably enjoyed it roughly as much as I enjoyed Episode 13 two weeks ago. I think 13 was the overall "better / more satisfying" episode for me overall, but I know I was pretty disappointed that it showed up right then when I was so hungry for the continuation of what had happened in Episode 12. In any event, this week's episode was not a misstep for the series but neither was it one of the series' best.
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