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Old 05-06-2017, 11:37 AM   #76
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We didn't really need RussiaLeaks for that.
Worth bringing up since you touch on it:

In recent days, I've discovered that public sentiment has shifted on Reddit towards viewing both WikiLeaks and 4chan's /pol/ (if not the whole of 4chan) as arms of Russia's propaganda machine. What are people's thoughts on this?
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Old 05-06-2017, 11:42 AM   #77
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Worth bringing up since you touch on it:

In recent days, I've discovered that public sentiment has shifted on Reddit towards viewing both WikiLeaks and 4chan's /pol/ (if not the whole of 4chan) as arms of Russia's propaganda machine. What are people's thoughts on this?
It's adorable that people get so up in arms about Russia (possibly) manipulating elections around the world when America has been doing it forever.
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:08 PM   #78
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/pol/ is probably at least partly a product of the Russian propaganda machine (do note that /pol/ is pretty heavily despised on most other parts of 4chan), but I would think it's less direct Russian interference/influence and more of the fact that /pol/ is basically the loudest echo chamber of all and anything that's screamed even in its direction reverberates for ages. /pol/ users were likely just fed propaganda from other sources and the Internet Hate Machine just did the work for them.

I am not super sure about WikiLeaks. Assange (somewhat ironically?) keeps his cards pretty close to his chest so it's hard to gauge what his alliances are, but I don't know that his leaks if taken as a whole have necessarily been more damning to one particular party over another.
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:27 PM   #79
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I think it's not remotely a coincidence anymore that WikiLeaks only leaks anything that's pro-Russia, and always leaks stuff from the anti-Russia candidates.

And you know the one leak that was perhaps detrimental to Russia? The one we all forgot about? Yes, I'm talking about the Panama Papers. Wikileaks were up in arms against it. They're not even remotely being subtle.

Also, it was shitty when the US interfered in elections and it's shitty now that Russia is doing so.
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Old 05-07-2017, 03:14 AM   #80
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Funny that Wikileaks or whoever the fuck didn't leak Marine Le Pen's emails, just like they didn't leak Trump's.

Honestly FUCK them. This is just pure biased, targeted propaganda at this point. Plain and simple.
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Old 05-07-2017, 03:05 PM   #81
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:38 PM   #82
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Yeah, but still Le Pen won about a third of the vote, and I was just reading an article on the Independent (can't link, phone) that almost half of young (18-25) voters backed Le Pen. Contrast young US and UK voters overwhelming rejection of far right candidates/ideas that ended up winning on the votes of older generations. Realistically Macrons Parliament will most likely render him fairly weak, weakening him severely in five years time when he can't deliver on anything.

Frsnce aren't really being a beacon of hope here, they're just behind the curve. With such a reversal of the age split on the far right compared to other western nations it's hard to be optimistic about their future.
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Old 05-08-2017, 07:05 AM   #83
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Err, frankly not sure which article you were leading, but the stats I found per the Ipsos exit poll said that about two-thirds of youths 18-25 voted for Macron, which isn't that bad. Also do consider that LePen's economic policies were fairly to the left, and Melenchon won most of the youth vote in the first round.

It doesn't make the numbers that much better, but again, it's not that terrible. There's also the fact that LePen was actually third behind abstentions.
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I guess there was another London terror attack last night. Seven died. Forty plus injured. Yawn. Just another day in paradise.

Actually more attention was drawn to the bloke who bolted in terror while deftly clutching his beer.

He'll be at the office tomorrow bright and early, I'll wager.
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Old 06-04-2017, 04:43 PM   #85
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I am very disappoint, Brits.

Theresa May's response to last night's terror is to demand regulation to the internet. Instead of, you know, immigration.
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That's been one of their promises from the off, they're pushing it again now they think people will back it. Maybe they should stop ripping the manifesto from 1984.
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Old 06-04-2017, 06:35 PM   #87
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I am very disappoint, Brits.

Theresa May's response to last night's terror is to demand regulation to the internet. Instead of, you know, immigration.
Maybe instead of either of those really shitty things they could pick Door Number Three and undo the idiotic cuts to Police funding May instated.
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:54 PM   #88
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That's been one of their promises from the off, they're pushing it again now they think people will back it. Maybe they should stop ripping the manifesto from 1984.
Nevermind that the way the jihadis were communicating - shooting bullets into walls during Call of Duty - was incredibly sophisticated and way beyond what mass surveillance was capable of detecting. You may have been able to catch it with teams of analysts and code breakers doing targeted surveillance, but the only way to narrow down the targeted surveillance was to know that the player was 1) muslim and 2) an immigrant.

There is going to be a shit ton of bycatch from this, and coupled with the anti-copyright legislation, it sure sounds like those in power want to take control of the internet away from the populace.
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