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Old 04-05-2016, 10:53 PM   #21
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Kush, given my research into privacy, I've determined with a lot of elbow grease, you can effectively protect yourself from the NSA online even if they're looking for you. There are restrictions on the web - if the NSA knows a suspected terrorist browses UPN, it wouldn't be too tough for them to find out who has accessed UPN's server. Even with a VPN and proxy, they can tell what time the person accessed UPN and can discern language style and location from a person's posts. So while they can't get exact information unless someone is dumb enough, they can narrow down the possibilities.

But using a VPN, proxy to access websites over Tor? If you hide that you're even using Tor, they're not going to find you.

However, it's much harder to conceal this kind of activity from ISPs, which is why ISPs are the biggest ally to the NSA when it comes to wiretapping. And they will have that kind of privacy access even when the government isn't interested in you.

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Not really, no. In a formal debate the burden of proof lies with the side who wishes to change the status quo. In other words, you. What's your reasoning?
What.

Burden of proof lies with anyone who makes an assertion. If you come into my pro-privacy topic and say privacy is overrated, you have to give reasons. I don't owe you anything.

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Okay so here's my take on things: I feel like I don't really have anything to hide from the government. As long as they don't make the information public, I'm okay with them monitoring me. Like for example, say the NSA is keeping track of my browser history. I don't care if Joe that works for the NSA knows how often I visit PornHub because if they monitor my browser history they can see that I'm not up to anything shady. They CAN see if other people are up to shady stuff though, so to me that's a win. It doesn't affect me if some dude I'm never going to meet knows what websites I visit, but it DOES affect me if the NSA is monitoring someone and catches a terrorist, as it makes the country (and thus me) safer.
The problem with this is profile building. Individuals in the government can observe your browser habits, say if you searched Bernie Sanders and trips to Turkey, and infer that you're thinking of defecting to Islamic State.

How terrorism works now is that terrorists aren't revealed as such until they suicide bomb someone, so profile building becomes essential for nipping a domestic attack in the bud. Even if you're completely innocent. This is the source of all the jokes involving Google searches for things like Islamic State or Salil Sawarim, and being added to NSA search filters.

There is also the problem with breaches. You don't know how well the NSA policies itself - Edward Snowden was able to cover his tracks fairly effectively, after all - and people can causes breaches if they just don't care anymore.

So your "As long as they don't make the information public" caveat cannot be guaranteed in practice unless we have robot overlords in place.

Tabloids would pay handsomely for Arnold Schwarzenegger's blood chemistries. As a bodybuilder, I would love to know the ratios of hormones in his body, the concentration of LDH, his oxygen carrying capacity, etc. I can turn his privacy into improving myself. Does this mean Arnold has no right to privacy over his health information because other bodybuilders and roiders want his information? I mean at the very least he should be able to sell that information should he desire. Someone else, who obtained that info confidentially, shouldn't have a right to profit from it instead of him.
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