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Old 11-23-2014, 02:56 AM   #33
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1) Provide links to a screen cap showing animé evidence and/or provide links to a video showing animé evidence (please provide us with a time stamp)

Combusken uses Fire Spin, which Roselia counters with Petal Dance. Instead of burning up, the petals manage to maintain their momentum and disperse the flames, breaking through to strike Combusken. Youtube Link: [13:15 - 13:21]

When Roselia uses Petal Dance, Beautifly launches a Silver Wind. For a moment, the wind stops the petals, but the petals continue bursting through, overwhelming the wind. Youtube Link: [14:49 - 15:02]

To use a more recent example from B/W:

Tepig is ordered to use Flamethrower, a strong Fire attack, and Maractus is used to counter it with Petal Dance. Instead of burning up, Petal Dance manages to break through partially, although not to the same extent as the weaker Silver Wind and Fire Spin. Youtube Link: [10:35 - 10:46]

2) Provide links to the Bulbapedia article for the move, pokémon etc. in question

Petal Dance / Petal Blizzard

3) Explain the in game effect of the move in question

"XY - The user stirs up a violent petal blizzard and attacks everything around".

Petal Blizzard does damage to all adjacent Pokémon, including allies. In Horde Encounters, it will target all opponents. Petal Blizzard will also destroy grass patches found in the background of battles.

4) Briefly note the differences between what we do and what the animé does

Right now, Grass Pokemon still need a little help, and I've seen people ref Wind moves dispelling/Fire moves burning up the Petal moves because they think that the petals are literally petals. The two Petal moves at the moment are primarily used by Pokemon such as Lilligant and are labelled as a "high-powered Razor Leaf", liable to be stopped by a well-timed wind or fire attack. Multiple episodes of the anime suggest that Petal Dance is a powerful attack which dispels Fire and Wind moves, breaking through the attacks and still retaining their power. If anything, the Anime portrays the Petal Moves are being similar to how ASB treats Steel Melee moves. Furthermore, the Games suggest that Petal Blizzard is a strong move that can devastate the local arena.

We should not allow the Petal moves to be so easily thwarted by Fire and Wind, when the Anime has portrayed Petal moves as breaking through other moves while retaining its power. When we factor in the factor that Grass Pokemon like Cherrim and Lilligant are the main users of this move, we could look into boosting the Petal moves by giving them a Steel move-like or Swords Dance-esque ability to break through weaker fire/wind moves. It would help Grass Pokemon a lot and bring us closer to the Anime.


On a separate but related note, Vileplume really shouldn't be given a SC nerf that limits her motion. And on the topic of Vileplume and Petal Dance, the anime had two separate instances where Vileplume's use of Petal Dance confused the target:

Vileplume (not weighed down by her head) fires a Petal Dance, which strikes and confuses Munchlax. May even says that Petal Dance confused Munchlax, and Max later says something about Petal Dance being a specialty of the Vileplume line. Youtube Link: [4:35 - 4:41]

Using this evidence, maybe we could grant Grass-types using Petal Dance the ability to confuse. Or at least just the Lilligant and Oddish lines, since they're the ones who really are affiliated with petals. And maybe we could consider removing the movement nerf off Vileplume? Obviously, this "Petal Dance confuses/Vileplume isn't heavy" proposal is separate from the Petal Moves proposal above. I just didn't know where to put it except as a footnote to the original proposal about granting Petal Moves the power to be robust and overcome weaker Fire/Wind moves.

Last edited by Schadenfreude; 11-23-2014 at 03:21 AM.
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