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Emi 10-01-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by deh74 (Post 498062)
Public approval for the current Congress is at, at most, ten percent. Also, the NASA site was shut down too...and I have to do a project on them!

At least now your teacher can't blame you for using Wikipedia!

Congress is a joke nowadays. Granted, its always had its periods of just terribleness, but couple a divided Congress with a terribly ineffectual president and you get the this situation...like what every year?

And then it irks me that Congress still gets their full salaries, while they think that cutting benefits blindly is a good thing. All it does is make me quite angry. Like at this point I'm well on considering building a time machine and rigging the votes to McCain. I just don't like at all the way things are going. I think Obama could put us on the right track...if he could get through to Congress. Which sadly he can't.

Mercutio 10-01-2013 02:07 PM

He's still a better President than Carter, which is depressing in its own way.

Emi 10-01-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercutio (Post 498093)
He's still a better President than Carter, which is depressing in its own way.

Yeah, I'll agree with you there. He probably beats a few of the Gilded Age Presidents too...but those were arguably worse than Carter.

deh74 10-01-2013 03:56 PM

He's the best to be elected this millennium. But not the best one of this millennium, that's still Clinton.

Mercutio 10-01-2013 05:15 PM

Yeah but it's really sad how much better Bush was at doing the job of president than either of the Democrats.

Talon87 10-01-2013 05:40 PM

Quoting from a CNN article I just saw (so take with a grain of salt):
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Fewer laws were passed in the last Congress than in any Congress since 1861, and based on the number of floor votes taken so far this year, the current Congress is on track to be even less productive. It is also the most partisan Congress since the Civil War era.
Not exactly sure how they prove that final statement, but I have to admit that it's kinda cool (in a very bad way ^^; ) to think that our Congressional gridlock right now has a mirror in the famous Congress of Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, and John C. Calhoun. Makes me wonder if this is on the horizon!


deoxys 10-01-2013 08:55 PM

some tumblr gems from this debacle:


"How could they shut the whole government down this is the year of luigi"


"can't believe Byakuya Togami shut down the US government"


"with the government shut down I can finally don the uniform of the upcoming revolution:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/cd0760382...zwano1_500.jpg

Talon87 10-01-2013 08:59 PM

That first one's my favorite. :lol:

Muyotwo 10-01-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercutio (Post 498171)
Yeah but it's really sad how much better Bush was at doing the job of president than either of the Democrats.

Under Bush the Republicans had full control over both houses of congress for all but two years of his eight, Clinton and Obama combined had their party in control of both houses of congress for two years each. Clinton was excellent at making compromises, but the Republican party has degenerated so far from when he left office in 2000 I don't hold it against Obama that he's been unable to bring the Republicans to the table. In the Fox News world, one Republican crossing over to vote with the Democrats is likely to lose the financial support of the GOP machine in the primaries next year and lose his seat.

Despite the fact that the current PM is a sexist, ignorant and malicious twatbag Australia is so much better off politically than the US I find it hard to imagine moving back to the states full time.

Mercutio 10-02-2013 04:04 AM

I realise that the situation is different but I still place Bush above Clinton in terms of political skill. Clinton did have a lot going for him though.

hen da man 10-02-2013 05:44 AM

On the news here in Australia, one of the reporters said this and mum and I found it pretty hilarious.

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And the American Government's approval rating is at an all time low of 10%, which means that Brussel Sprouts, Head Lice and Colonoscopies are currently more favoured.
Oh how I laughed.

Concept 10-02-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerichi (Post 498042)
gj congress a+ legislating

Ten year olds could run a government better.

Even the ASB is marginally better run!

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Originally Posted by Muyotwo (Post 498315)
Despite the fact that the current PM is a sexist, ignorant and malicious twatbag Australia is so much better off politically than the US I find it hard to imagine moving back to the states full time.

I live in a country where the most socially conservatives of our three major parties are pushing through gay marriage. Sometimes I feel blessed to be British.

Lady Kuno 10-04-2013 03:05 AM

This is obviously a bit biased but this is a pretty interesting thing to watch, I suppose.

BORKED

Loki 10-05-2013 08:51 PM

http://i.imgur.com/RY4XU9p.jpg

deh74 10-05-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Talon87 (Post 498191)
Quoting from a CNN article I just saw (so take with a grain of salt):

Not exactly sure how they prove that final statement, but I have to admit that it's kinda cool (in a very bad way ^^; ) to think that our Congressional gridlock right now has a mirror in the famous Congress of Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, and John C. Calhoun. Makes me wonder if this is on the horizon!


Nobody has been caned on the floor of congress in a suspiciously long time in my opinion.

Concept 10-07-2013 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyranidos (Post 498051)
Anyway, if you Brits want to reassert colonial rule, feel free, at least we might have access to good chocolate.

OK.

Muyotwo 10-07-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Concept (Post 500509)

Sounds good, apart from driving on the left (we invented the car, do it our way), and the ban on American Football. We get that you guys hate games where anything happens and we adopted that in Baseball, but we fixed Rugby by turning it into a TV friendly product that's played by the greatest athletes in the world, much like the Canadians fixed your "Football" by playing it on ice with sticks- you guys should check it out, there are more than three shots a game and everything.

Amras.MG 10-07-2013 09:02 AM

Teehee snarky Muyo =3

Talon87 10-07-2013 09:08 AM

I especially like how in the same post he both argues for the supremacy of primacy ("Do it our way! We invented it!") and the supremacy of ultimacy ("Do it our way! We improved it!").








Oh wait. :|

Mercutio 10-07-2013 09:50 AM

Rugby is way more watchable than American Football imo And, of course, both are better than the abomination that is Aussie rules!

Concept 10-07-2013 09:50 AM

So on a more sensible note; from the US perspective, what're the chances Congress gets its shit together before it all goes seriously tits up? I mean is it like "this is blatantly a negotiating tactic and they'll never let it go too far" or "good chance we're looking at the second American-created global financial crash in recent years" or somewhere in between? British and American political culture are so different that it's rather difficult to tell from an outside perspective. If budget squabbling ever went as far in the UK as it already has in the US it would probably trigger fresh elections and the government being out on their arses.

Talon87 10-07-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Concept (Post 500535)
So on a more sensible note; from the US perspective, what're the chances Congress gets its shit together before it all goes seriously tits up? I mean is it like "this is blatantly a negotiating tactic and they'll never let it go too far" or "good chance we're looking at the second American-created global financial crash in recent years" or somewhere in between? British and American political culture are so different that it's rather difficult to tell from an outside perspective. If budget squabbling ever went as far in the UK as it already has in the US it would probably trigger fresh elections and the government being out on their arses.

In recent years, what we're seeing happen right now has become an increasingly common procedure. It's gotten to the point where I think Boy Who Cried Wolf effects have kicked in in full force and most of us will be rudely awakened if in fact the shit ever does hit the fan. Personally, I have little doubt that:
  1. this isn't going to be the ruin of the country, the domestic market, or the global market nor anything close to it.
  2. this is going to be publicly laid to rest days -- even hours -- before the much-hyped-about point of no return while in reality they've probably already sorted it out
  3. you'll be hearing a similar story some time again in 2014
It's happened with Bush-era tax cuts. It's happened with Obamacare. It's happened over so many relatively minor and major things over the past ten years that I've lost count.

Tyranidos 10-07-2013 12:56 PM

I think I read somewhere that if Congress can't get its shit together and vote on the debt ceiling again, the US will default on their loans, which may or may not be catastrophic to both the US and world economy. This might be hyperbole though, I wish I remembered where I saw this.

Jerichi 10-07-2013 03:32 PM

It would likely cause lending companies to reduce our credit rating again, which doesn't really benefit the American economy but will likely not hurt it that much in the long run.

deh74 10-07-2013 04:46 PM

Our credit rating will probably go down to an A- or a B if we default. Then investors panic which is where the real damage is caused.


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