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deoxys 10-18-2016 09:56 AM

Sun/Moon Demo Discussion
 
This thread is only for discussion of what you and others have personally experienced in the Sun and Moon demo ONLY. Any information related to Pokemon Sun and Moon that cannot be experienced or found in the demo must remain in the spoiler thread.

Welcome to Gen 7!

The Pokemon Sun and Moon demo is now available on the 3DS eShop. Use this thread to talk about what you experienced playing through the demo, or what other people have experienced. You don't need to use spoiler tags in here for content that is freely available to access within the demo, start to finish.

This was a requested thread, even from some of our members who are avoiding spoilers in general. Please keep in mind forum-wide spoiler rules are still in place until the release in a month from today (ie. no avatars, sigs, etc allowed still). As noted above, it cannot be stressed enough, please keep anything related to Sun and Moon that isn't present in the demo within the spoiler thread. And no, that doesn't mean datamined information is technically allowed. Keep that in the spoiler thread, too. Any offending comments will be removed, moved to the spoiler thread, or edited (The No Fun Police strikes again!). And please keep demo discussion within this or the Sun and Mood thread, for the time being as well. Thank you!


SO GO, HAVE AT IT, DISCUSS.

deoxys 10-18-2016 10:15 AM

First impression:

Starbucks? In MY Pokemon Centers? It's more likely than you think!

Pokemon sure is getting a bit too realistic.

GrJackass 10-18-2016 10:38 AM

thanks for the tip, i thought it came out on the 21st for some reason.

Median Dia 10-18-2016 01:12 PM

Nothing kills the hype of finally finding the Shiny Stone you needed to evolve your roselia in Diamond quite like watching the kid next to me trigger Ash-Greninja against the Totem Dragon-Thing whose name I can't remember. I'm officially three generations behind... *Cries*

On a much... odder note: why the heck does summon rockruffs as it's allies? The thing has two prevos, it doesn't need to rely on rockpuppers!

deoxys 10-18-2016 01:56 PM

So I just found out, and I guess other people already knew this, that the initial reports of the demo being short and not much to do are wrong. The closer to release, more areas and features open up on certain days that let you do a little more bit by bit. I think it's like once a week.

Interesting.

Missingno. Master 10-18-2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MedMana (Post 772007)
Nothing kills the hype of finally finding the Shiny Stone you needed to evolve your roselia in Diamond quite like watching the kid next to me trigger Ash-Greninja against the Totem Dragon-Thing whose name I can't remember. I'm officially three generations behind... *Cries*

On a much... odder note: why the heck does summon rockruffs as it's allies? The thing has two prevos, it doesn't need to rely on rockpuppers!

It's actually pretty smart for a Dragon/Fighting-type to summon a Rock-type to back it up in battle. Hakamo-o is weak to Ice and Flying, two types Rock is pretty good against.

SoS 10-18-2016 02:36 PM

Get this Ash-Greninja bullshit out of my goddamn video games and keep it to the trash anime where it belongs.

Lady Kuno 10-18-2016 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by deoxys (Post 771982)
This thread is only for discussion of what you and others have personally experienced in the Sun and Moon demo ONLY. Any information related to Pokemon Sun and Moon that cannot be experienced or found in the demo must remain in the spoiler thread.

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Originally Posted by Missingno. Master (Post 772013)
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Thanks Obama. So much for reading this thread. Ps anyone got a full list of all the rewards so I can just look at that?

deoxys 10-18-2016 04:28 PM

Dammit guys. I'm really trying to be inclusive here. I'm editing your comments for future folks coming into the thread.

Please, it's really not that hard.

Lady Kuno 10-18-2016 04:31 PM

I appreciate your hard work.

Not sure how I feel about Ash-Greninja. I didn't want it to be a "thing" but apparently it's a thing now. It seems very silly and non-canon, but here we are.

Missingno. Master 10-18-2016 04:34 PM

Gah, sorry about that. >_< I've been flipping back and forth between this and the threads where spoilers are allowed, obviously got mixed up at one point.

GrJackass 10-18-2016 04:35 PM

Well i find it nice because i never got the Grninja in my previous game so it's nice to get a decent water type from the get/go though it seems to be a higher level than i was expecting.

deoxys 10-18-2016 04:35 PM

For me the weirdest thing about Ash-Greninja is that it pseudo makes Ash canon in the games? At least, that's the impression I get. And I don't know how I feel about that. I don't like the idea of Ash-Greninja, but I understand it's huge in Japan with the kids there, and Ash-Greninja alone could move a lot of units over there.

If anyone wants the reward list, it's here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokeMoonSun..._demo_to_game/

Please be aware at the time of sharing this there are no spoilers in the thread, but the subreddit itself is full of them.

SoS 10-18-2016 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by deoxys (Post 772044)
Ash-Greninja alone could move a lot of units over there.

Problem with that is that it's Pokémon and that name along guarantees cash money

deoxys 10-18-2016 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Son_of_Shadows (Post 772057)
Problem with that is that it's Pokémon and that name along guarantees cash money

There's some truth to this, however, you probably are unaware just how badly Pokemon feels threatened by Yokai Watch in Japan right now. It has completely swept the country and become a craze for younger kids in a way that hasn't been seen since Pokemon first made it's debut. However, while Pokemon was able to recreate that same success in the West, Yokai Watch has failed to do so. Regardless, Pokemon is being left forced to fight for top spot in its home turf.

Ash-Greninja may have been planned all along, but it's also pure fanservice, as Greninja hold the #1 spot for most popular Pokemon, and Ash-Greninja was like some sort of messiah for the anime.

Snorby 10-18-2016 08:25 PM

I so wish they had just named it something else. Bonded Greninja or some shit would have been so much more acceptable imo

Heather 10-18-2016 09:51 PM

I like the demo, but two things just irk me to no end:
The Slowpoke Barrier that has gaps in it clearly wide enough to walk through, ignoring the fact that you could easily just step over the things, but nooooope, invisible wall in spaces wider than the protagonist, which brings me to my next point: Why the hell am I only allowed to play as a dude? And even then why am I not allowed access to at least a limited array from like the clothing shop? And whatever the hell that food thing is Hau was on about, give me one. And Let me catch a Rockruff already, I'm going to name it Moon Moon because I'm getting Moon and I'm a memelord.

Talon87 10-18-2016 10:11 PM

Thoughts on the demo, in short bullet form notation in chronological order of discovery.

Spoiler: show
• graphics remind me of Gen 5's relationship with Gen 4. It's like Game Freak were really trying to make this one look better, but because of the technical limitations of the hardware it actually looks worse in a couple of places. Thankfully it's nothing too bad, though. And unlike 5, there's a lot to love here that does truly look better than anything we've seen yet.
• the new journey buddy is ... too much. ^^; He needs to turn it down a little.
• the new enemy team is ... a bunch of {white youth trying to be black urban youth}? ^^;
• this might be the single worst remix of the Pokémon Center theme song EVER :|
• the new Pokémon are mostly pretty crappy looking so far. :\ Only ones I've liked are the mongoose and the woodpecker. Puppy is close but I just don't care for the eyes. Dragons are pretty awful. :\ RIP my eyes if Hakomo-o or whatever it's called is an OU champion
• so wait, Alola has its very own analogue to Kalos's Mega Evolution? Right down to the use of bracelets and special stones? Hmmmmmmmmmmm ... Alola confirmed for the remnants of the enemy nation AZ obliterated with his laser 3,000 years ago? :o
• the Team Skull admin is kinda pretty and kinda not. :\ ("Not", not "hot".) I'm not a fan of her hair but I enjoy that she's rockin' the yamanba eyes
• the music during this Team Skull admin fight is AWFUL
• HOOOOLY shit -- 175 base power!? What the fuuuuuuu--
• lol RIP Smogon defensive players
• C'MOOOOON! C'mooooon! Is that really it!? :lol: :') Aww, man! That was over so soon!
• Hopefully there's more stuff to do ŕ la the ORAS demo.

Further thoughts, now that we're here ...

Spoiler: show
The video at the end would seem to be showcasing a number of the new Gym Leaders. But that's not for certain. They could also be NPCs of some other import. (Don't tell me what they are.)

Blonde girl with green eyes seems intriguing. Rival? Champion? Other? (Rhetorical questions. Don't answer them. No, seriously, let the game do that for me.)

I miss the D-pad. :( I always use mine. I'm not a big fan of motion through analog sticks in games like this. Guess I'll have to deal ...

I adore the Pokémon on the overworld. Machamp, Corsola, etc. They look great.

Very intrigued by Mega Evolution's fate. (Don't answer.) It would seem likely to me that it's not in the game given that this new Z-Power thing, whatever it's called, also uses a bangle and gemstones. You can't have more than one bracelet on at once! (Except that you totally can. :lol:) So I wonder ... Will this game have players choose between Megas and Z-Powers? Or do you have no choice and Megas are gone for the time being? And if they're gone, then what of fan favorites like Mega Mawile and Mega Beedrill? Surely we've not seen the last of Mawile's de facto second form, no?

Not a fan of the garish text that shows up when you use one of those special Z moves. Once or twice, fine, but hopefully it won't be every single time. Better yet, hopefully it can be disabled. I doubt it. :\ But we'll see.

Why would Ash release Greninja? :? It makes no sense.

Bond-Greninja would've been a better name, especially if there are other species that can evolve like this as well. Oh well.

Anyone notice Ash's trainer ID? It's six or seven digits long. Six or seven, I don't remember exactly which, but either way it's bigger than the normal limitation of five. (00001 thru 99999.)

Battles look 99% identical to Gen 6's. This further supports the interpretation of Gen 7 as a Gen 2-like sequel.

deoxys 10-18-2016 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Talon87 (Post 772071)
Why would Ash release Greninja? :? It makes no sense.

Anyone notice Ash's trainer ID? It's six or seven digits long. Six or seven, I don't remember exactly which, but either way it's bigger than the normal limitation of five. (00001 thru 99999.)

On the topic of these - the first one is apparently being answered in the next anime episode, and the for the second bit - interesting fact, Greninja's ID is actually the date the episode aired that Ash caught Froakie. As I pointed out earlier, it's just really weird to me because, as the demo implies Ash releasing and giving his Greninja to Sun - that seems suspect, and it pseudo-solidifies Ash as canon in the games :/ Which is weird and eugh no thank you.

Also, in case you missed it, this apparently isn't all there is to the demo. For the time being, there are some extra little "side quests" you can do in the demo after the video plays when you complete the "story" part, that unlock some minor items like Nuggets, etc. that will transfer to the full game. Also, someone made a rough map of the places in the demo that have events happen on specific days leading up to the game's release based on in-game dialogue.

So there are other things to do in the demo past the "story" part that will carry over to the game's release, but from what I've read what we got today was the meat of the demo and everything that comes next is just a cherry on top.

Slash 10-19-2016 12:38 AM

First impressions, as I go along.

The music is nice. Really grooving it.
My name is Sun? The fuck? And mystery sender person oooh creepy
Also, apparently my Water-type Pokemon loves the heat.

Nice graphics on the street.
As greeting, you say the region's name. Just imagine if in RGBY you greeted everyone with "Kanto!"
Speaking of Kanto, looks like I'm from Kanto. And there's bureaucracy. Yay?
D pad does not movement. Do not like. Really fucking me up.
Some masochist wants a Water-type to attack him
Wild Hau Appeared! He's... someone.
Actual dialog options? Wut? Though I don't think it affected anything.
This Hau guy seems a little too excited about just meeting me.
This guy has ADHD on meth

Wild Step Up characters appeared! And the music's pretty jamming. Makes me wanna play Jet Set Radio Future.
Team Skull characters are apparently hard. A bit much to share with someone you just met unless you're at a bathhouse
Well, at least they have better dance moves and better music than pop has in quite awhile.
They wanna battle me? They're gonna have a bad time.
First they tell me they're hard, now a bones pun. I think these guys are making a really ineffective pass at me.
ANOTHER BONE PUN
And now they're gonna tell their big sis... awkward...
It's Hau'oli City. Maybe because of Hau?
I talked to a gate and it told me to go to the Pokemon Center
First a Starbucks on every corner and now they're in PokeCenters, too

So far, that's really... er... something

GrJackass 10-19-2016 09:10 AM

I agree the music was engaging. Im pretty impressed by the whole thing. It seems very polished this time around. Dare i say its the biggest overhaul in the series between two generations.

The ui was great. Pretty intuitive. Im loving the "off brand" "mini games" that seem to be added to the main series (like pokemon snap) im fairly excited to rediscover the new 151 guys as well

Talon87 10-19-2016 10:06 AM

Maholo[sp?] Trail spoiler:

Spoiler: show
"Oh, I forgot to introduce myself!




"I'm a mysterious old man."

Well okay then! :lol: O_o

Done a little more exploration of the "post-Story" demo. Went back to Ten Carat Hill and did both of the challenges there. Then the demo behaved stupidly (said I didn't need to leave yet, even though my Greninja is at 17 health and I've already caught Pokémon and fought all the trainers), so I manually left (made the escort take me back), went to the Pokémon Center, and healed up Greninja. Then I headed south and made a few new discoveries, including the girl who takes you to Maholo Trail to help you bond better with your Pokémon.

Spoiler: show
An ace trainer blocks the way to a building with a tropical t-shirt on the sign. Seems to suggest Game Freak caved in -- GOOD! =P -- and are giving us trainer customization back after all. This incentivizes my plan to purchase both copies of the game, as we all know the boys suck and the girls rule when it comes to playing dress up =P but I wanted my main avatar to be the boy this time around instead of the girl, so I'll do the boy on Sun (main pack) and the girl on Moon (side pack). Though if the girl has really cute end-game costumes I might end up having to make Sun the back-up instead ... :\ ... decisions, decisions ...

Something I'm a little sad to see absent from the demo but oh well :( is:

Spoiler: show
Rowlet, Litten, and Popplio. Was really looking forward to taking them out for a spin. GUESS I'LL HAVE TO WAIT ...

And speaking of waiting, just a friendly heads up -- due to some IRL ongoings, I will likely not be able to play the games until after December 4. It's still not for certain and I still will be buying the games on November 18. I just won't be able to play them until after December 4, is all. We'll see.

Doppleganger 10-19-2016 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by deoxys (Post 772084)
On the topic of these - the first one is apparently being answered in the next anime episode, and the for the second bit - interesting fact, Greninja's ID is actually the date the episode aired that Ash caught Froakie. As I pointed out earlier, it's just really weird to me because, as the demo implies Ash releasing and giving his Greninja to Sun - that seems suspect, and it pseudo-solidifies Ash as canon in the games :/ Which is weird and eugh no thank you.

Ash has always been canon to the games, but Game Freak has had an understandably tsundere attitude with him over the years, and pulled back on that relationship at times. The anime directly caused Yellow, and the event Pokemon in Yellow are what constitute Red's primary team.

In this case, I want to think that Game Freak, like the rest of us, like the Ash-Greninja.

rotomotorz 10-19-2016 03:19 PM

Why did the Pikachu almost wipe me?

Missingno. Master 10-19-2016 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rotomotorz (Post 772153)
Why did the Pikachu almost wipe me?

It's level 42, we can't go past level 37, and we got the type disadvantage. Lemme guess- Night Slash just failed to KO, triggered Static, then it went for Electro Ball?


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