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Zelphon 10-12-2016 02:46 AM

If Trump becomes president every country will eventually piss him off enough to cause to in some way (trade or blood) ruin our standing with them. Hell maybe we'll see nukes get used.

This is my fear and I fail to see how anyone with half a brain cell doesn't see this at least in part.

deoxys 10-12-2016 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Zelphon (Post 771355)
If Trump becomes president every country will eventually piss him off enough to cause to in some way (trade or blood) ruin our standing with them. Hell maybe we'll see nukes get used.

This is my fear and I fail to see how anyone with half a brain cell doesn't see this at least in part.

I think this is the common fear, and it's not entirely unfounded due to his demeanor and bullying nature, but the reality is that won't happen. He wouldn't have total control of the country and it's resources at his disposal; the legislative branch would restrict him so hard he would be walking on eggshells every time he wanted to even take a piss.

However, what could happen is he shoots his mouth off enough, as President, that he isolates the majority of our allies from us, or they start conspiring to work together without us. Sanctions could be placed and treaties could be broken (like NATO). His hatred could incite more violence domestically and internationally, just not on the same level you're thinking here.

Regardless, it doesn't matter, he's dangerous either way. I just think there is definitely some degree that people think he is the literal Antichrist come to usher in the Apocalypse, but you're giving him way too much credit if you do.

Talon87 10-12-2016 03:02 PM

Apparently a Mormon third-party candidate in Utah could be poised to take the state, with only 26% of Utahans polled indicating they will vote for Trump and that same number indicating they will vote for Clinton. I kinda doubt this guy will gather enough momentum in four weeks to win other states, but it's interesting to see that at least one state might be locking in to flip both the Democrats and the Republicans the bird this November.

Source: "Third party candidate Evan McMullin, a Mormon, had the support of 22 percent of likely voters in the state in the same poll. Fifty-nine percent of those surveyed identified as Mormon and half of those voters now say they will not support Trump." http://n.pr/2e1ma0Z

Shuckle 10-12-2016 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelphon (Post 771355)
If Trump becomes president every country will eventually piss him off enough to cause to in some way (trade or blood) ruin our standing with them. Hell maybe we'll see nukes get used.

This is my fear and I fail to see how anyone with half a brain cell doesn't see this at least in part.

The actual evidence says the opposite. Trump's battle plan when it comes to foreign relations is a Randian selfishness that could be very good or moderately bad depending on how it's applied in practice. I don't see it ever being "insulting" though.

His stance is that other countries negotiate for deals that are favorable to them, so America should do so too. Add a healthy helping of "speak softly and carry a big stick" and you have a policy stance that, while it may not be what's best for the world, at least will cut back on America's defense spending and boost America's economy. And if those things tank, NATO and the UN will lose their teeth...which is a very bad thing.

Hillary's is good too mind, I'm just trying to point out that Trump's foreign policy isn't stupidity and there's a reason nobody's going after him for it.

deoxys 10-12-2016 04:52 PM

Clinton is now leading in every major poll

The smallest gap is from Fox News at +2.

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Poll Date Sample MoE Clinton (D) Trump (R) Johnson (L) Stein (G) Spread
RCP Average 10/3 - 10/11 -- -- 44.6 39.1 6.6 2.1 Clinton +5.5
Rasmussen Reports 10/9 - 10/11 1500 LV 2.5 43 39 7 2 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/10 806 LV 3.5 46 37 8 2 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/6 - 10/10 2363 LV 2.2 44 37 6 2 Clinton +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/9 447 LV 4.6 46 35 9 2 Clinton +11
Economist/YouGov 10/7 - 10/8 971 RV 4.2 44 38 5 1 Clinton +6
NBC News/SM 10/3 - 10/9 23329 LV 1.0 46 41 8 3 Clinton +5
Quinnipiac 10/5 - 10/6 1064 LV 3.0 45 40 6 3 Clinton +5
FOX News 10/3 - 10/6 896 LV 3.0 44 42 6 2 Clinton +2
Talon, it looks like your interesting story has been making rounds enough to scare the Salt Lake Tribune into endorsing Hillary. That's what, not a single major news paper that has endorsed Trump now? What a shitshow.

Emi 10-12-2016 06:42 PM

Who needs major newspapers when you have THE NATION ENQUIRER????

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Snorby 10-13-2016 07:58 AM

It's important to note, Deo, that the Salt Lake Tribune endorsed Obama (iirc) in 2012 and might have even in 2008.

I honestly think it would be hilarious if this McMullin dude won Utah. He's not on the ballot in many states so he most likely can't win enough to stop Hillary from getting 270, and I'd love to see Trump losing a Solid Red state to an independent, even if said independent is conservative.

What I don't think I've seen brought up yet is that there have been threats to Paul Ryan's Speakership over his unwillingness to support Trump further. Thoughts on this? Personally, I feel if Trump loses and throws the GOP into such disarray that he takes down one of their only strong leaders with him, we'll be in for a potentially Democratic House of Representatives in 2018.

deoxys 10-13-2016 08:20 AM

Rush Limbaugh, the rape apologist everyone: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2828825

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Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh
"The left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent," Limbaugh said during his namesake radio Show Wednesday. "If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it's perfectly fine. But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police."


God, I feel sick now

phoopes 10-13-2016 08:34 AM

I don't really have anything to contribute because that's obviously disgusting but I will say that I'll probably bring that up next time I see my mom. She's a huge Rush Limbaugh fan, went to see him live in the 90s lol.

I had actually discussed the second debate with her and I'm still unsure how she's a Trump supporter. She bought into the whole "locker room talk" deal. At this point it may actually take him shooting someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

SoS 10-13-2016 08:48 AM

does... does he know what rape means

Mozz 10-13-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by deoxys (Post 771501)
Rush Limbaugh, the rape apologist everyone: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2828825




God, I feel sick now

Wonder if he's talking about affirmative consent or passive consent. The left has been pushing for affirmative consent for a bit now, especially on college campuses.

Rangeet 10-13-2016 12:10 PM

So the topic of discussion seems to be why people would be scared of a Trump presidency. Okay. Well, this is going to be a very, very long post. I really hope you guys read it.

Let me tell you guys a short story about the first time I really experienced racism on the internet. Well, actually, that would be back when I was like 8 on SPPF and still going by "runka", when I (without having any idea of it, because I was 8 years old) pissed off someone in comp pokemon so badly that they made an alt account with the name "runka n igger". But given that I wasn't even old enough to understand that back then (also it's not even an appropriate slur, I mean if you're going to insult me do it right), I'll give it a pass.

No, this story actually goes all the way back four years, when I was 14, during the Obama vs Romney election. I was super into TF2 at the time, and I was part of this TF2 forum. I thought I had a decent rapport with the members. I got on pretty well with this mod who would frequent the same server I did. In the Unmoderated section of the forums, there was a pretty shitposty discussion on the election. I waded in with a comment, I don't really remember the exacts, but it was something along the lines of "No but seriously though, it really seems retarded as fuck to vote for Obama over Romney." (Remember...unmod forum + 14.) And that was about when multiple people replied with stuff along the lines of "What the fuck do you know sand nigger?" This wasn't just generic 4chan shitposting at this point, by the way. I didn't pay that much mind to it at the time besides being generally hurt that people I had trusted would do that shit to a 14 year old (and they were older than me at the time). I figured they could go fuck themselves and society would deal with it and tell them sternly to fuck off if they ever came into public.

So imagine my surprise when stuff like that comprises much of the fanbase behind one of the Presidential candidates of America.

No no, wait up. I know what you're thinking, and no, I have no intention of saying that all Trump supporters are like this. It just isn't, and trying to think it is isn't healthy for a rational thought process. What I am saying is that I think many people in this thread are not aware of the sheer level of the alt-right now.

Which brings me neatly onto the three major reasons why a Trump Presidency is horrifying: 1) Trump himself; 2) Trump's supporters; 3) The Republican party.

Let's start with 1) Trump himself. There are many people here and elsewhere who feel that Trump has been vilified. Give a dog a bad name and hang it, basically. Nobody ever gives him the benefit of the doubt about anything. I would disagree. I think that if Trump ever had a benefit of the doubt, he has long, long since lost it. It's like the boy who cried wolf. Sure, once, twice, thrice, four, five times: It's not that bad. It's just the media fluffing it up. He's shitty, but come on. He's not that shitty.

That argument starts to lose its appeal around the time of the 500th scandal that pops up.

Let me preface it all by saying that I completely agree that Hillary Clinton is not a great candidate. But I want you guys to consider something. For thirty years, thirty full years, the Republicans have been trying to pull up dirt on her and on Bill. For pretty clear political reasons: Bill was one of the most popular Presidents in modern times. His approval rates were skyrocketing. He'd presided through a really good time for Americans. They needed to claw it back. And therefore, one thing is almost certain for Hillary: She doesn't have any major skeletons under the closet to dig up. What you see is what you get, almost certainly. And what do you see? A load of fluff, obviously. Putting Benghazi against her is immensely stupid, imo. She was interrogated by Republicans for days about it and pronounced not guilty, in any case. Similarly, the email scandal, while something much worse than Benghazi, is still not that bad in the grand scheme of things, and she was still found not guilty. But above that fluff, there are a lot of seriously horrible things about her. In my opinion, two of the worst things about her are the Iraq War vote and how the DNC conspired against Sanders, and both of those are still politics; they might well be unforgivable for you (and are really, really bad to me), but they are politics.

Okay, Trump. The thing about Trump is that it's so, so difficult to know where to start. Let's start with saying that he's racist. I've posted this before, too. If you still don't think Trump is racist as fuck, okay, but wow, you have to at least agree that's a solid rocket boost on the way to shitty personhood. But there's more. A lot more. Oodles of small stuff (obviously, much of it overblown, as is normal in such "lists", but still much that isn't.) that would sink any other candidate forever. But you might well not have seen them because Trump has made it all normal.

Is it that surprising? So much of his entire campaign is based on hatred. His campaign started with "Build a wall." When racism and xenophobia are the foundations of your building, what do you expect to find in its bathrooms? When the rise and platform of your candidate has such similarities with historical fascist dictators, are you shocked when people run for cover? Oh, and Trump recently doubled down(...of course) on the "jail Clinton" thing, saying that Clinton's lawyers have to go, too. Listen to the language of this fucking speech:

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"Hillary Clinton bleached and deleted 33,000 emails after a congressional subpoena," he told the crowd. "So she gets the subpoena, she gets the subpoena, and after—not before, that would be bad—but after getting the subpoena to give over your emails and lots of other things, she deleted the emails. She. Has. To. Go. To. Jail."

Trump didn't stop there. He also wanted the people who advised her to delete the emails to be charged, arrested, and jailed. "And her law firm, which is a very big and powerful law firm, which is the one that said, 'Oh, they'll determine what they're giving,' those representatives within that law firm that did that, have to go to jail," Trump said.
But Trump doesn't have the basic decency to leave it at that. He all but admits to sexual assault on tape. He says "You know, I'm going to be dating her in 10 years" to a random 10 year old. He makes creepy comments about his own daughter. He walks into changing rooms and ogles naked teenagers at the various beauty pageants that he owns. He has sexual assault accusations(though, obviously, no convictions, and it's a very strict line to maintain here: legally; innocent until proven guilty) up the wazoo, including from a People writer.

And he threatens to sue Clinton for attack ads which consist of his own quotes. He threatens to sue NYT over the groping story. He'll be suing Weird Al over "I'll Sue Ya" next at this rate.

But there's more. And more and more and more. He's an anti-vaxxer. He promoted the birther theory like crazy on his own twitter. He thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax. ...Aw, hell, just go and skim through this thread. Again, you will have to sort out the bullshit from the real a fair bit, but holy fuck.

There are actual, legitimate psychologists who are willing to say publicly that Donald Trump has narcissistic personality disorder. Additionally, let me just throw in here that Trump spews Russian propaganda. Yes, really, it's pretty much either that or he browses white supremacist sites. So pick your goddamn poison.

And, dear Merlin, have I missed a lot. What does it say to you that I am merely skimming over saying stuff like "I like people who weren't captured" and talking about dicks in a primary debate and insulting Ted Cruz's wife and children and mocking a disabled reporter? If I really wanted to go all in on this topic, I could dig up more and more and more and holy fuck it would be a full-time job. I haven't even gone at all into his almost certainly criminal stuff that was unearthed by Fahrenthold. I haven't at all gone into his goddamn Twitter feed, which is cancer of the highest order. And there's quite a lot of stuff he does that ties up with the next part of my post, so it's going to go in there. Moving on to...

2) Trump's supporters.

I want to say this first. What do YOU think the worst of Trump's supporters look like?

Go to /r/the_donald to get an idea.

I'm serious. I don't know how many of you people go to 4chan much. Or 8chan, or whatever. I don't. But I do think that you people really don't know how deep the rabbit hole of the alt-right goes. How bad it gets. But okay, let me start from the beginning.

Clinton said that half of Trump's supporters belong in some way or the other to the "basket of deplorables." I know that some people think this is going too far, as well as stooping too low. Well, I would really disagree. But first, let me convince you that at least the 50% number is true. Here are some pure stats to start you off. Also, this is specific to South Carolina, but 38% of Trump supporters think the South should have won the war. And this is...well, I don't even know, but 41% of Trump supporters are in favour of bombing Agrabah. Which is a city from Alladin.

Fine. Now, as I said, go to the_donald. Go to 4chan. If you really want to know who you're dealing with here, you really have to. But even if you don't want to, here are a few tidbits from over there: Exhibit 1, 2 3 4 5 and as always there is more and more and more.

Go there, and see what it's like. Or if you don't have the stomach, fine. Let me assure you that it is hands down one of the worst festering shitholes in the internet ever. I mean, short of going to the Deep Web to search out snuff fetishists and child porn, I am struggling to think of too many places as large and active as that. I mean it.

This is a rise of the alt-right. Racism, xenophobia, sexism...you fucking name it. This is genuinely a rise of hatred on a terrifying level. I mean...I can't speak for any of you. But what do YOU think? I know at least one person whose parents have been radicalized- yes, really, that's the only term for it- by Trump and his rising tidal wave of hatred. What have you seen? I've seen it on the internet. Have you seen it in real life? Because...

After the Brexit vote, the incidence of hate crimes in the UK rose by 41%. This post is huge enough without a discussion of that, but frankly, it's just blind to not pretend that some significant fraction of the Leave vote was dominated by xenophobia and hatred. And what do you think Trump's rise is dominated by? Trump supporters are already committing hate crimes up the wazoo. See this. Also see this and this.

And you ask me why I'm scared of a Trump presidency, speaking as a brown guy who wants to immigrate to America some day?

There is more.

Again, all the way back in 2012, this - which is, charitably, a complete freakout, was Trump's reaction to Obama winning. Calling for a "revolution". Also, especially idiotic given that Obama won the popular vote, but I digress. He's also straight out said that the election will be rigged. And his most ardent fanbase, the people on the_donald, people on 4chan, actually believe this. You'll constantly find threads about polls on reddit being brigaded by them. Trump believes those actually brigaded online polls which show him winning the debates. And, remember: he's very possibly narcissistic.

So what do you think his reaction will be when he loses? What do you think his fanbase's reaction will be? Yes, I know this is borderline conspiracy. But this is not uncommon. If you see that previous video, it'll tie up with this: I have also heard that there has been an attempt to try to unify and intimidate other voters by very extremist supporters of Trump. Apparently, they're all going to wear red shirts, to identify each other. I have no clue what the scale of this is, but...do I really need to say the sheer level of holy fuckery this implies?

So yes. Trump has ushered in a tsunami of hatred and bigotry and made it more socially acceptable to say all the shit he says - and that's why I'm scared of his supporters. And as with Trump, this rabbit hole seemingly has no end. If you really, really want to know, lurk the_donald. Lurk /pol/ and whatever's the 8chan version of it. There is no simple explanation for what you will find. Either they are teenagers spewing such hate and bigotry, which speaks of a horrific generation to come, or they are actual, adult voters, which if anything is even scarier.

Let's move on to...

3: The Republican party

Its relevance here should be obvious. An election of Trump would mean not only that the country has given a nod to the Republican party but an embrace. It would mean wholeheartedly accepting everything in the Republican party.

And I have said before in this thread why the Republican party is a complete and utter cesspool...but still, let's do this topic justice. Let's start with Mike Pence, Trump's VP, and how absolutely horrific he is.

Here's another list. This one isn't bullshitty. Every single point on it hits home. Pence is a fundamentalist maniac. If you really want to study his position on the issues, coming right up. Note in particular his views on abortion. They are frightening. That's the only word for it. But it's almost equaled by his vehement homophobia and transphobia.

Every other Republican candidate for President this year was completely backwards in one way or the other. Honestly, I'm not going to deal with about 15 different candidates: You can look them all up on ontheissues.org or just google them. I'm only going to point my finger at Jeb Bush and John Kasich. Jeb Bush is, among many other things, very pro-life and very against net neutrality. Kasich is a very reasonable candidate, but he is is also pro-life, wanted to defund Planned Parenthood, is pretty awful on education, supports the death penalty and is completely against legalization of marijuana/drugs. He also says " You know, how was the earth created? Did the earth just come about on its own? I don't think so, but then I look at all the evidence and study the scientists and everybody else, and I say, "No." ", which is...just...wow.

Let me make a list, by no means exhaustive, of everything I find wrong with the Republican party: LGBT rights. Women's rights. Immigration. Healthcare. The death penalty and crime and punishment in general. TPP. Net Neutrality. But most of all, their awful religious fundamentalism which pervades the entire party structure starting from the ground up.

All the above are things I disagree VERY fundamentally with, and it scares me to see a country that I admire in many ways to come this close to embracing these values instead of running very fast in the opposite direction.

I haven't addressed every single thing in this post. I can't, obviously. It's already nearly 3000 words. But I consider this to be pretty definitive for me all the same.

Thank you, if you read all that.

Heather 10-13-2016 02:48 PM

My god Rangeet. You put it into words, you goddamn hero.

deoxys 10-13-2016 02:49 PM

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Mozz 10-13-2016 03:13 PM

As an actual patron of alt-right causes and people, I can imagine how Rangeet's post would preach well to the choir and those already leaning Dem. Otherwise, nothing that would come close to changing my mind (but I'm certainly the farthest "right" here, from my intermittent scanning of this thread).

Connor 10-13-2016 03:41 PM

I mean bluntly with regards to what some of the posts he sourced from /r/the_donald were saying, at that point it's a conscious decision between whether you consider yourself an acceptable human being.

The stuff they were saying was deplorable to anyone, conservative or otherwise. If you want to defend that then you've made your own death bed, because nobody will take you seriously. I say this knowing you never said it wasn't wrong, but you have surely got to admit that aspect of Trump is abhorrent at least? And it is an aspect of him, in case you want to argue that.

Mozz 10-13-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor (Post 771526)
I mean bluntly with regards to what some of the posts he sourced from /r/the_donald were saying, at that point it's a conscious decision between whether you consider yourself an acceptable human being.

The stuff they were saying was deplorable to anyone, conservative or otherwise. If you want to defend that then you've made your own death bed, because nobody will take you seriously. I say this knowing you never said it wasn't wrong, but you have surely got to admit that aspect of Trump is abhorrent at least? And it is an aspect of him, in case you want to argue that.

There are aspects of him that are "abhorrent", I guess. I don't think he's a racist in the true sense of the word, but he is one in the 2016 version. He says creepy ass things, but he's also a billionaire and women have been throwing themselves at him for decades so idk, 70 year old guys say shit that's weird all the time, and I take them as jokes (especially the thing with the 10yr old, seems like he was poking fun at himself, if anything). I do not think he is a rapist, I think the "sexual assault" things are bogus, well-timed, coordinated media plays. What else in that wall of text?

He's not a perfect candidate by a longshot, but it's comical watching certain people go after him and ignoring shit in Yemen, Libya, Syria, and our own backyard to pull quotes from 10+ years ago.

deoxys 10-13-2016 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mozz (Post 771529)
There are aspects of him that are "abhorrent", I guess. I don't think he's a racist in the true sense of the word

What is the true sense of the word?

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I do not think he is a rapist
I mean, his ex-wife testifed under oath that he once raped her. It's not more clear cut than that. There's saying someone did something, and there's saying it under oath. She could by lying, as I imagine you'll bring up Clinton testifying under oath that he didn't have sexual relations with Monica, but the amount of evidence that he's a sexual predator and accusers coming out seems damning.

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I think the "sexual assault" things are bogus, well-timed, coordinated media plays.
Some could be, but it's interesting to me how Trump supporters are quick to jump on Bill Clinton with his accusers (ALSO a very well-timed and coordinated media play - the man wanted to use them as human meatshields against Hillary by putting them in his family's box at the debate) but are quick to defend the Donald and write it off as bogus without a second thought.

Jerichi 10-13-2016 07:36 PM

>BLM

BLM has a branding problem I think - if you have to go around explaining to people what your movement is about, you're probably not being as effective as you could be. It's most likely not anyone's fault within the organization itself, I feel, because the media has kind of run off with BLM and given people a very monochromatic view of the organization, but at the same time, I don't know that anyone from the organization has really put in the effort to rally groups around a consistent message.

Like, there were a bunch of people a few weeks ago threatening to tear down a statue in Austin of Andrew Jackson under the banner of BLM. And yeah I get it, Andrew Jackson was super shitty... but wasn't BLM founded as a group standing against racially-motivated police brutality and inequity in the justice system??? Tearing down the statue of someone whose legacy doesn't really have anything to do with that (despite him being basically the worst president in American history) sends a mixed message.

I've said it before - BLM has the same issue that OWS had: too many cooks. Their message has become so diluted that by the time it began to spread widely, people who might have supported the movement were failing to understand what it actually was or what it was trying to achieve.

Mozz 10-13-2016 08:47 PM

What is the true sense of the word?

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior

I mean, his ex-wife testifed under oath that he once raped her. It's not more clear cut than that. There's saying someone did something, and there's saying it under oath. She could by lying, as I imagine you'll bring up Clinton testifying under oath that he didn't have sexual relations with Monica, but the amount of evidence that he's a sexual predator and accusers coming out seems damning.

Here's an article on it: http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...uring-sex.html

Marital rape is iffy enough as it is, and she seems to have backed away from certain words.

WRT Clinton, he has settled out of court on at least one case, and others were brought throughout the years, so not all at the absolute worst possible time. He also has flown on Jeffery Epstein's plane several times. Would think that WJC is worse than Trump, neither are great, but WJC's actions >> Trump's, for now.


Some could be, but it's interesting to me how Trump supporters are quick to jump on Bill Clinton with his accusers (ALSO a very well-timed and coordinated media play - the man wanted to use them as human meatshields against Hillary by putting them in his family's box at the debate) but are quick to defend the Donald and write it off as bogus without a second thought.

Trump is using these women to counter Hillary's woman card. She has stayed married to a man who has done some pretty bad things, their marriage is a sham on a sham, and Hillary used government power to threaten these accusers. Not sure, but, again, WJC's evidence is quite worse than Trump's in terms of actions alone.

Blastoise 10-13-2016 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mozz (Post 771529)
He's not a perfect candidate by a longshot, but it's comical watching certain people go after him and ignoring shit in Yemen, Libya, Syria, and our own backyard to pull quotes from 10+ years ago.

Yes, too bad he's got a bunch of quotes on the campaign trail that are equally abhorrent with a lot of these "old quotes" proving that this is basically Donald Trump, and not just a persona Trump uses to play to his base. In any event, should minorities (or any "other" that Trump has named as fifth columns against the American dream) be comforted that Donald Trump may only be "pretending" to be a racist?

While I think this election has allowed Hillary to get a pass on things that deserve more scrutiny (due to the "circle the wagons" mentality anyone remotely progressive has against Trump and the fear that any critique of Hillary will dissuade voters or embolden Trump's), on any of the "shit" you listed I would not trust Trump to have a better idea than Hillary, or in many cases even a remotely coherent one if his debate performances are anything to go by. But hey, who needs actual plans when you have unironic fascist overtones, right?

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SoS 10-13-2016 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mozz (Post 771557)
Marital rape is iffy enough as it is

you cannot be fucking serious

Emi 10-13-2016 09:16 PM

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Please stop arguing you're making Sakura cry.

Can we talk about something else for now, like say, McMullin or like literally anything else?

Blastoise 10-13-2016 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Emi (Post 771561)
Please stop arguing you're making Sakura cry.

Can we talk about something else for now, like say, McMullin or like literally anything else?

We're watching an actual candidate for the office of the President of the United States become increasingly paranoid and unhinged as election day nears, seeing conspiracies all around him and utterly convinced that he could not lose the election on his own merits. Our collective future hangs in the balance of this increasingly grotesque spectacle, and we cannot look away.

That, or we're waiting for Trump to hole up in his tower and go full Fuhrerbunker while taking bets on if Melania gets the hint and bails out before Trump starts trying to order around army units that don't actually exist.

Emi 10-13-2016 09:27 PM

In fairness that's pretty much the only way he can save face at this point is to go full Trump. He's going to yell that everything and anything is fucked: the polls are rigged, the votes are rigged, there's a government satellite poised to use its secret megaton heat laser to kill him instantly should he win. It's kind of sad because he's reacting like a five-year old: everyone is already cheating when the game hasn't even started yet. This is not to say it hasn't happened at the other side (*glares at the Bernie Bros*), but Trump is pretty much turning it into his entire political strategy at this point: insist you're going to win, insist that if you don't win its because Hillary and the GOP are sharing the same bed together and was always actively conspiring against him, and make everyone who dares to criticize him look like a fool.

One of his reasons why a woman who accused him of sexual assault is lying is because of her looks: not that he's a good person and would never do such a thing, not that the circumstances were impossible, but that the person accusing him was just too ugly for him to sexually assault. This is the level he's stooped to. It is the worst spectacle in a long time.


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