UPN Monotype Tournament

[Lonely Cubone]

Here is the draw for types (http://forums.upnetwork.net/showpost.php?p=301675&postcount=67)
Here are some rules (http://forums.upnetwork.net/showpost.php?p=301659&postcount=63)


Some time after the rousing success that was Talon's excellent Champion's Tournament, I fancy giving something similar but different a crack, and would very much appreciate a few other people joining in. I'm not Talon, so don't expect it to be quite as well organised, but hopefully it'll be every bit as fun

Timings: I think one of the things we learnt from Talon's tournament is that people are fairly good at playing the matches in their own time, and whilst one or two people may more limited net access, you can still get a Tournament through fairly quickly- as a result I won't be determining a fixture order or anything like that, just asking people to battle and upload their videos as and when they can.

Sign Ups: For obvious reasons, there are up to 17 slots available. If we get that many, great, but if not then it's not a problem- I hope with the success of the last one, we might well get there though. Will keep signups open for a few days at least.

Type Allocation: I will RNG this, nobody gets to pick. If anyone really hates their type, they can swap with anyone else who agrees to it. I'm not rolling a dice on Webcam though, y'all are going to have to trust me a bit.

Building Your Squad: This is fairly simple. Like in Talon's tournament, your monsters will be set in terms of item, moveset and EV allocations at the start of the Tournament, and you have a squad of up to 9 from which to choose the six you battle with in any particular matchup. I'm not asking you to send me the nine or anything, we'll be able to see if anyone exceeds it from the videos and as it's all friendly, I don't think that's likely. The Pokémon rules are:


Every Pokémon in your squad must have your type (either as a primary or secondary)
You may have no more than two Pokémon from the same evolutionary line
The Pokémon's movesets, items etc. are fixed from the first time they are used
Ban List TBC but the obvious ubers plus Drought Ninetales and Drizzle Politoed are obvious ones


Thoughts on a ban list are welcomed, personally I'd like to see a fair few UU Pokemon getting some use so I'm fine with banning everything legendary/demi-legendary but it does rather screw over the poor sod who gets Dragon- I'll leave that open to debate for now.

Sign ups then, who's keen?

1. Lonely Cubone
2. Concept
3. DaveTheFishGuy
4. Ethereal
5. Phoopes
6. SP-Eevee
7. Holy Emperor Kuno
8. Yuki-N
9. DaisyInari
10. Firewater
11. Kairne
12. Talon87
13. Empoleon Dynamite
14. Mewmaster007
15. Quintowill
16. Yougirasu
17. Kindrindra

Edit: I forgot to state clearly that this would be on Pokemon Online. It will be on Pokemon Online. Thanks lovers.

[Ethereal]

Hopping on the monoteam train.
I hope that none of the pokemon have mono.

[phoopes]

I'm interested in this tournament. Beam Sign me up, Scotty!

[SP-Eevee]

C: I'm in.

[Holy Emperor]

I'm in~

[YUKI.N]

Ooh, sign me up again! Last one was so fun. ^^

If possible, I'd also like to reserve a spot on behalf of my lil sis (DaisyInari)~ She's on vacation right now so she might not get a chance to see this.

[Firewater]

sup, if it's on Pokemon Online, go for it.

i'm in.

I am also curious on the sand, is that banned too (Hail/Sand) or just no Chlorophill/Drought abuse.

/there should be no banning of anything that's not uber or non- standard rules.

[Kairne]

I am in

[Lonely Cubone]

Weather Conditions aren't banned, just Drought and Drizzle- if you want Sun, set it up- the Pokemon doing it I don't think have been officially released yet- if I'm wrong then fine. I'm up for negotiation on any of that anyway, and my ban list is likely to be minimal, but we'd better have something otherwise we'll see 17 different typed Arceuses.

[SP-Eevee]

>the Pokemon doing it I don't think have been officially released yet

http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthread.php?5532-DW-Abilities

I'm pretty sure they have been, since both are VGC legal but I might be wrong.

[Lonely Cubone]

Ah, that must have changed fairly recently. Well, I'll leave it open for debate but my personal feeling is that Drought/Drizzle are too big of an advantage for their respective types.

[phoopes]

Ah, that must have changed fairly recently. Well, I'll leave it open for debate but my personal feeling is that Drought/Drizzle are too big of an advantage for their respective types.

I agree. I think that the banlist should be Smogon's list, plus Drought and Drizzle bans. Other than that, I'm don't feel strongly that there's a need for any other restrictions need to be put in place. MAYBE for the Dragon type user have a limit on the amount of pseudo-legendaries used per battle, but once again I don't feel strongly that that needs to be put in place.

[Lonely Cubone]

Smogon's list contains Excadrill, can anyone explain that one to me? (Also Blaziken, but I understand that if not agree with it). Personally I'd allow both but yeah, majority rules.

And the Dragon user has a lot of very good Pokémon but they pretty much all share a 4x weakness so literally every team that can will pack an Ice move, double edged sword of being the obvious favourite is that everyone will tool up to beat you.

[Talon87]

Interested, but willing to drop out if you get 18+ sign-ups. Since I don't have to be the one to organize it this time, time shouldn't be an issue for me. If it becomes an issue, I can let you know in advance.

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Regarding banning übers or demi-übers: I don't see the point in banning non-legendaries to be perfectly honest. A team that can't navigate around Blissey on a mono-Normal team deserves to lose IMO. A team that can't navigate around Garchomp, Salamence and Dragonite on a mono-dragon team deserves to lose IMO. Sure, not every mono-typed team has access to ice-type attacks (let alone ice-type priority!) to take out dem dragons, but most do and for the ones that don't, dem's da brakes, kid. Not every element can expect to win against every other element. Some simply have better move pools or better resistances than others.

I will caution that if you're really worried about things getting too out of hand in terms of fairness, you can playtest with a small group of people before launching the tournament proper and, if the playtests seem to indicate that a particular element is "broken" with a no-holds rule policy (e.g. "Oh man, mono-steel is just TOO GOOD. It completely rapes 2 out of every 3 teams without even trying"), then something you could consider doing is handicapping the more powerful elements by restricting their teams' slots from six to five, or by forcing them to declare who's on their team before the match starts while the opponent need not do that, or something. Personally, and for a casual tourney, I think this is pushing it way too far, but it's still what I think I'd rather see than see you ban every single dragon except for Flygon, Altaria, and Druddigon. :oops:

Allowing people to have 2+ from the same evolutionary line could be a problem. I know I was pretty unsympathetic earlier with the "you deserve to lose if you can't bypass Blissey :evil:" line, but having both Blissey -and- Eviolite Chansey on the same team, and giving them completely different movesets (e.g. one is the team healer and ToxicStaller while the other is the Thunderwaver and Seismic Tosser, or something) could be construed as an unfair advantage, particularly against elements which really don't have much in the way of good, reliable physical STAB against Blissey. (E.g. Psychic. Starmie's Psycho thingamajig was a 3HKO on a Blissey. This is with STAB and it being on Starmie ffs. 3HKO. a.k.a. not a KO when we're talking WishStall Blissey. Pretty sure the only Fighting-type moves most traditionally special Pokemon get are Aura Sphere or Focus Blast, i.e. things that Blissey doesn't mind at all.) The problem is aggravated, of course, if by "no more than 2 in each line" you were actually allowing people to double-dip for the same stage at least once, in which case THIS is why you're having to worry about your dragon-themed team being broken. :| (Why, hello, two Dragonites, a Salamence, a Garchomp, and two Kingdras! How nice of you to stop by!)

I guess you could make a "the following Pokemon are disallowed for the no-more-than-2-of policy" list, but that's more work on your part. Would be easier to just say "no double-dipping. Sorry." If you were wanting to allow the double-dipping so that some of the more pitiful elements could stand a fighting chance in this tournament, then again: maybe it'd be better if you came out and said it, "These elements are too good and will be handicapped in the following ways. These elements are too bad and will not be handicapped." So that, for example, if was decided (made-up example) that electric types on the whole were pretty shitty but that dragons on the whole were pretty good, then the electric guy would be allowed to carry both Volt Absorb Lantun and Water Absorb Lanturn (TROLOLOL) while the dragon guy would be limited to 1 Of per creature line, no exceptions. It'll be important for you to put your foot down on this now rather than after the tournament starts because I can promise you that either way you side on this you're going to have a supremely whiny whiner whining about his poor luck of the draw. (E.g. the electric guy if you don't create handicaps, the dragon guy if you do and he feels he keeps getting singled out.)

Lots of stuff to consider, dude. A monotype tourney is not easy. It's why I didn't rush into it. =P Best of luck to you, though. I hope it's a fun one.

[Charminions]

Drizzletoed and Droughtales have been released since foreverz. (http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldabilities.shtml) But I still think that they should remained banned, or atleast Drizzle. Most Fire types are already frail and a huge asset to sun teams (Chlorophyll) is only available to grass types. Water types are given numerous abilities that benefit in the rain and there are tons of bulky waters out there that can take hits and hit back hard thanks to rain. Anyways I won't be joining, just wanted to clarify.

[Lonely Cubone]

You raise some reasonable points on the duplicates issue (albeit in a really excessively long manner, you really do need to be more concise so people actually read your posts) and it's a fair one- I was thinking primarily about those types which aren't blessed with many Pokemon, although I suppose five generations in there isn't a type left without nine available families as far as I know. Anyone think of a good reason for me to leave that clause in?

[empoleon dynamite]

Signing up.

I'd link to all the ban discussion for Excadrill but I don't really mind who's banned or not.

[Charminions]

The huge advantage Blaziken gets from Speed Boost coupled with his already monsterous attack made him broken. Excadrill sucks without sand to activate his sand rush so using him on a steel mono would be useless. On a ground mono atleast there's Hippowdon. Even with Sand Rush activated, he has quite a few more checks and counters to him than Blaziken so I don't see it wrong if Excadrill was allowed.

[phoopes]

While I do agree with Talon, a type that doesn't have many useable Pokemon is Bug. The only Bug types that are OU are Volcarona, Forretress, and Scizor. Since those are the only ones from that type that are OU, I would suggest making an exception on "Only one Pokemon from an evolutionary line" with Bug, since Scyther and Scizor would be all right on the same team IMO.

[Holy Emperor]

A lot of types get screwed OU wise, that's what makes it fun. Also I'd get rid of the "same evo line" thing for everyone 8ut dragons. They're the only ones short on Pokemon, really.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

>Implying you have to only use OU Bugs

Yanmega and Venomoth are sad now.

(yes I've not battled much in the last year and a half shut up that's not the point)

[Lonely Cubone]

All I'd say on all this OU stuff is that it's a fun Tournament. If you want to run six OU Pokemon then good for you, but I'll be running a Vileplume if I get the slightest chance.

And Kuno, the two of one evo line rule is most dodgy for Dragons in my view- dealing with two Garchomps is not really reasonable. Maybe a Garchomp and a Gabite, but things like Eviolite Chansey get tricky, so may just go back to unique- Dragon can get 9 different Pokemon so it's not a major issue.

[phoopes]

>Implying you have to only use OU Bugs

Yanmega and Venomoth are sad now.

(yes I've not battled much in the last year and a half shut up that's not the point)

I'm aware. I for one, think Scolipede is awesome. And Venomoth can be used effectively, but Yanmega is pretty much stupid to use in today's metagame, sorry to inform you.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

I can't say I've ever used 'mon based on how viable they are, but then again I used to get looked down on just for trying to avoid using certain OU stuff back when I was in the OSL (never used Scizor, for instance).

I used to run Yanmega and it was pretty swish. Not sure how things could have changed so drastically in the transition to Gen V (especially with Stealth Rock being less widespread) but there you go.

[empoleon dynamite]

A lot of types get screwed OU wise, that's what makes it fun. Also I'd get rid of the "same evo line" thing for everyone 8ut dragons. They're the only ones short on Pokemon, really.There's 9 dragon lines. Maybe 11, I'm pretty sure Lati@s without Soul Dew was okay last time I played comp so I don't think it'd be too limited.

[Milotic111]

I also never used them because they were popular, but I also didn't shun them when they did. I used Scizor before he became god and continued to like him. Also Victreebell in sun teams.

Also not signing up due to not having PO.

[phoopes]

>Garchomp

Garchomp is Uber anyway, so you wouldn't even be facing one, let alone two of them.

>Yanmega

Yanmega was OU last generation, but is RU this generation. Same goes with Cresselia, and a few other 'Mon. Some things just fall out of use, but not without good reason. I'm not saying that Yanmega isn't useable, it's just that there are much better options, even when only confined to Bug types.

EDIT: There's 9 dragon lines. Maybe 11, I'm pretty sure Lati@s without Soul Dew was okay last time I played comp so I don't think it'd be too limited.

Latios and Latias with Soul Dew are both banned to Dream World Ubers nowadays.

[Talon87]

Smogon's list contains Excadrill, can anyone explain that one to me? (Also Blaziken, but I understand that if not agree with it). Personally I'd allow both but yeah, majority rules.

And the Dragon user has a lot of very good Pokémon but they pretty much all share a 4x weakness so literally every team that can will pack an Ice move, double edged sword of being the obvious favourite is that everyone will tool up to beat you.
Blaziken:
Blaziken was likely banned because, in OU and all lesser tiers, the only real counter to Blaziken is to cough up anywhere from 1 to 1.99 of your own Pokémon. This was usually done by:
(1) staying put until Blaziken killed your guy who was currently out
(2) switching in your guy with Focus Sash and having him either do a stab attack (which breaks Blaziken's sash and reduces him down to 1 HP) followed up with a priority attack (e.g. Mamoswine Earthquake + Ice Shard) or else simply doing a mothertrucking powerful attack followed by a priority attack (e.g. Conkeldurr + Mach Punch).

People in the tourney scene usually don't like it when a Pokémon is [i]guaranteed to kill between 1 and X Pokémon on someone else's team. Any guarantee for at least one kill usually raises some eyebrows. (I mean, even Gengar and Dragonite aren't guaranteed anything. You just highly expect it.) But to be guaranteed somewhere on the order of 2 kills even from the best of OU teams meant it was something many, many people didn't like.

Also: you have to remember, not everyone runs Focus Sash @ heavy hit @ priority hit. So if you didn't, Blaziken kind of forked you over there.

One arguable counter for it was Jellicent (immune to the hi jump kick, resists the blaze kick) but even that wasn't a real counter. It just forced switches. It also forced people into using a Pokemon they didn't very much like just so they had a counter to Blaziken.

Excadrill:
Excadrill was banned for far more obvious and deserving reasons. In sand, Excadrill was suddenly wearing not one but two choice scarves. (a.k.a. its speed was doubled). The same turn it was switched in, whether the enemy switched or not -- Excadrill didn't care as he was never switched in against something which posed him any threat -- he would Swords Dance. Now it's like saying he's got not one but two choice bands on as well. One turn, and you go from being able to possibly win the match to staring down 2x Att, 2x Speed, Ground/Steel. Immune to poison, immune to electricity, and if riding a balloon immune to ground as well. The only way you could hope to kill him was with stab water. But since few water-types run Choice Scarf or Focus Sash, there was no way to hit first and there was no way to survive the hit he dealt you. Whoops, there goes Starmie! Whoops, there goes Kingdra! 738 base attack @ 100 base power Earthquake x 1.5x for STAB = gg, mate.

Again, you can still beat an Excadrill team. (I often did.) But you have to have the right Pokemon for it and if you don't have those Pokemon well then you're shit out of luck. Focus Sash (and no entry hazards on my side of the field!) Mamoswine could usually do the job easily and would net many a forfeit from kiddos who were glibly expecting to sweep me with just Excadrill. Togekiss also did a great job as it was immune to both Earthquake and Shadow Claw (two of Excadrill's three common attacks) and would on occasion get lucky and dodge Stone Edge to then Aura Sphere or Flamethrower the fucker into oblivion. (But that's just luck. And, as you might guess, that too earned many a ragey forfeit from my opponents. lol) Still, though: I would say that when Excadrill was allowed in OU play, one out of every two teams (quite literally) was a sand team and slightly less than one out of every two was a Rain (non-Drizzle) + Swift Swim Kingdra team, the latter not only because it was good in and of its own right but because it was an excellent counter to an Excadrill team provided you could keep the rain pouring down. The moment they banned Excadrill, a modicum of diversity returned to OU. The ban will almost certainly remain for at least the next year. If he ever returns to OU because his usage stats in übers just don't merit him being there, I imagine it will be a short-lived stay in OU before he is promptly booted right back out again. (Same story with all the legendaries who are perennially downgraded to UU only to be kicked back up to OU a few months later.)

You can allow Excadrill if you want, but as a fair warning: whoever has access to the ground-type team will be running Hippowdon + Excadrill and they will ruin this tournament for everybody else. :lol:

[Lonely Cubone]

It's good to see you took my point about being concise on board.

I can see why ban lists get long.

Okay, so we either ban all of Drought/Drizzle/Blaziken/Excadrill (with the specific abilities, different ability ones are fine) or none at all I guess. Anything else that is dubious? (I notice Garchomp isn't uber on Smogon any more unless my reading has declined)

[phoopes]

>Talon on Excadrill

I ran Infernape with Vacuum Wave or Mach Punch, depending on the set. So add that to your list of counters.

>LC

Obviously not updated. Garchomp has been banned for a while now.

[Talon87]

It's good to see you took my point about being concise on board.
I wrote the second post the moment I finished the first post. Any and all posts you see in between the two came into being while the second post was being written. Smartass. =P

>Talon on Excadrill

I ran Infernape with Vacuum Wave or Mach Punch, depending on the set. So add that to your list of counters.
Not a counter. At least, no more a counter than Jellicent was a "counter" to Blaziken. What you've just described is what we would call forcing a switch. There's no meaning in Mach Punch Infernape if Excadrill is just going to run away. Which is precisely what he's going to do. The incoming attack is too predictable and he'll just switch to (1) a ghost if he's really ballsy and doesn't think you were psyching him out and planning to do regular-priority fire or else (2) something which can handle both.

I agree it's better than nothing. But it's little different than my "lol Mamoswine" approach. Decent if you can bank on the guy being stupid and you being lucky, but otherwise meh. I'm sure Smogon probably classifies it as a "counter," but ... it's only a counter in so far as it's a scare tactic. A mole-killer it is not. Not unless the opponent is retarded or out of Pokemon to send out.

[Charminions]

Garchomp is very much banned. Bulkier base stats than Swampert with awesome speed and attack plus Sand Veil? Very broken.

In a tournament where it's supposed to be fun, it would be better to stick to Smogon's ban list and take some specific broken things in this tournament (Drizzle/Drought) out.

[Lonely Cubone]

Can we not have a discussion of comp tactics if possible. Don't want to scare off my last four entrants!

[mewmaster007]

I'll be one of those entrants.

[phoopes]

>Talon

True, true. Also, Gliscor and Skarmory worked pretty well. The first could actually kill it if it didn't get the +2 boost. Skarmory could wall it to Hell and back, even with the Attack boost, but couldn't kill it. Would just have to Whirlwind it away.

>Banlists

Here is Smogon's up to date ban list.
http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/uber

[quintowill]

I'm in if there is a slot left.

[Lonely Cubone]

There is, and there are two more.

[Kairne]

1: Item Clause, yay or nay?
2: Non-SB Blaziken/Non-Sand Rush Excadrill, yay or nay?

[phoopes]

I vote nay and yay, respectively.

[quintowill]

Yay for both.

[Lonely Cubone]

1: Item Clause, yay or nay?
2: Non-SB Blaziken/Non-Sand Rush Excadrill, yay or nay?


Will confirm the rules once I have 17, but the first post already says yay to the former and I'm very much fine with the latter. Similarly regular Politoed/Ninetales are definitely fine.

[Yougirasu]

Ooo, well, I think I may just give this a try. Admittedly, any matches I'm in might have to wait until my laptop returns to me on Thursday (fingers crossed the problem is fixed and it doesn't have to stay longer), but then I'll be good to go. Wonder what type I'll end up with though *crosses fingers for several*

That is, if there's still a space available. I've just seen the TO post, only 2 hours late.

[Lonely Cubone]

Yougi, you are our penultimate entrant. Next Thursday is cool, I can't see much happening before next weekend as that's when most people would be free I guess.

[quintowill]

The irony of this tourny is that I made a mono Steel team the last time I was on PO.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

1: Item Clause, yay or nay?
2: Non-SB Blaziken/Non-Sand Rush Excadrill, yay or nay?


I vote nay and yay, respectively.

What Phoopes said. I don't get why the latter two aren't allowed on Smogon anyways.

Then again I remember running Sand Veil Dugtrio because everyone would expect Arena Trap.

[Talon87]

I can't see much happening before next weekend
If the tournament I hosted is any indication, you couldn't be more wrong. Just take a look at when Kuno rolled everyone's characters vs. when the very first battle video was posted. :lol:

November 6 @ 10:19am = dice roll results are posted
November 6 @ 5:38pm = first video log is posted

Soooooooo...yeah. I'mma thinking that as soon as you close registration and assign people to their elements, you're going to have people who are eager to start fighting tonight, never mind tomorrow, never mind (lol) next weekend.

But you're the cap'n, cap'n. ;-)

[quintowill]

^This exactly. But when I get off work tonight.

[Lonely Cubone]

Yeah, I didn't necessarily type what I meant there. I'm sure some keen beans will get right on it, but I wouldn't get concerned about anyone who hadn't started until next weekend, because I know a lot of people are busy in the week. Also not much chance of anyone starting fighting tonight as we seemingly need to have a long row about ban lists and item clauses first (I have one, I'll post it when I'm on 17 and if everyone agrees I'll then allocate types)

[Talon87]

As far as Item Clause goes, I'm all for it. It forces people to think outside the box and to not run 3x Leftovers, 2x Choice Scarf, and 1x Choice Band. There are some pretty interesting things you can do, too. Sitrus berries, heat and damp rocks, elemental resistance berries, Expert Belt, Wiseglasses, Focus Sash, ... there are things. Things that can be done besides just spamming Leftovers on everything. =P If the majority rules "No Item Clause!", meh, but if LC wants it, I'll back him up on it. Most people I talked to during my tournament said, "I didn't think I would like Item Clause at first but it made me think of new things and now I kinda like it. :)"

Note: I don't actually see any mention of Item Clause one way or the other in the OP post. All I see is "once you use an item, it's locked in."

As far as allowing the unallowables back in goes, sure, whatever. Neither one of them is all that great imo without their special abilities anyway so if people want to use them because they're their faves then why not let them.

[Lonely Cubone]

Yeah, I thought I wrote something about an item clause. My current feeling is that you're free to repeat any non-Choice item (one of each of those) but I suppose the only other thing you'll likely repeat is Leftovers.

[Holy Emperor]

I'm ready right now to do some fighting~ Roll the types~

[Lonely Cubone]

We need another person Kuno, go grab someone.

[Concept]

Items clause should be included imo because otherwise we'll get a lot of lol leftovers.

/shorterlessusefulversionofTalonspost

[Holy Emperor]

You can always roll now, give types, and have that last spot 8e the unused/last persons type.

[Lonely Cubone]

I could
















But I'm not going to.

(There, that should get my user title back)

[Ethereal]

Are we going to round robin this thing?

[Concept]

Longer that way, but much more interesting.

[Lonely Cubone]

That was my plan. Lots of battles, but it doesn't necessarily have to finish in a few days.

[Holy Emperor]

I could
















But I'm not going to.

(There, that should get my user title back)

H8. You know I could also change your avatar too, right?

[DaveTheFishGuy]

For those of us who weren't in the Champion Tournament, remind us how to save files to make the cool videos?

[Holy Emperor]

Save logs, then you just upload them to that site.

[Lonely Cubone]

H8. You know I could also change your avatar too, right?

You could flat out ban me too.


Dave- http://pokemon.aesoft.org/ is where the magic happens

[Lonely Cubone]

Okay, while we wait for one last lucky participant to sign up, I'm going to post these draft rules for people to discuss/agree with and go do some rolling so I can reveal the moment we have 17. Your thoughts please:

You can make a squad of up to nine from which to choose your six.

Every Pokémon in your squad of nine must have your type (either as a primary or secondary type)

You may not have the same Pokémon repeated in your nine (although counterpart evolutions like Vileplume/Belossom are fine). There is one single exception to this, in that the Dragon type trainer will be allowed a single repetition in order to actually allow them the full nine Pokémon, as the ban list contains quite a lot of Dragons.

The Pokémon's movesets, items etc. are fixed from the first time they are used. The only changes you can make during the tournament are choosing your six from nine.

You may not repeat all items within your nine Pokémon.

Ban List in Full:
Arceus (All)
Blaziken (with Speed Boost only)
Darkrai
Deoxys (All)
Dialga
Excadrill (with Sand Rush only)
Garchomp
Giratina (All)
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Kyogre
Kyurem
Lati@s
Lugia
Manaphy
Mewtwo
Ninetales (Drought only)
Palkia
Politoed (Drizzle only)
Rayquaza
Reshiram
Shaymin (Sky Forme only)
Thundurus
Zekrom

Edit: Oh, and unreleased things like Genesect and Melothingy.

This is Smogon’s standard list plus the Weathermon. Apologies for having a ban list at all but better this way than the QQing when Ground/Water sweep all before them.

Remember to save logs, and upload them using http://pokemon.aesoft.org/

On the battle clauses front, I’m just going to copy and paste Talon’s post here because the rules are pretty much the same unless it conflicts with something mentioned above:

Team Making
Pokémon-Online's Basic Rules & Clauses:
It will be up to each competitor to make sure that the appropriate boxes are checked or left unchecked on P-O. If someone refuses to play you unless you agree to check (or uncheck) a box and if you believe that they are in violation of the rules outlined below, notify me and I will deal with that member.

Generation and Default Mode: the generation should be set to B/W (5th Gen). You should set this in the Team Builder window by clicking on "Gen." on the top and then selecting "B/W (5th Gen)" in the drop-down menu. You should select creatures and moves such that you are automatically placed in P-O's Wifi OU bracket. (No, we will not be doing WiFi battles. However, you need to make sure that you are in the WiFi OU bracket. See "Other Rules & Clauses" below for more details.)

Sleep Clause: this box should be checked on P-O. You can only put up to one (1) creature to sleep at a time.

Freeze Clause: this box should be checked on P-O. You can only freeze up to one (1) creature at a time.

Disallow Spectators: this box should be left unchecked on P-O. For the purposes of the tournament, we are encouraging audience attendance. Thus, all battles are public.

Item Clause: this box should be checked on P-O. Because P-O does not allow us to customize this, you are going to be restricted to having only one copy of an item per team. Originally I was going to let people have up to two (2) of the same item but P-O is all-or-none and we don't have the resources to make sure that people aren't spamming six Choice Scarfs or six Choice Bands, etc, so ... sorry. :\ But yeah, regular Item Clause is in effect.

Challenge Cup: this refers to P-O's Challenge Cup mode and should be left unchecked. Checking it will automatically ignore your teams and create two new random teams for you.

No Timeout: this box is up to the participants to agree upon. When in doubt, No Timeout is the rule of thumb for this tournament and so this box should be checked. But if both participants agree to a timed match, then that's their prerogative.

Species Clause: this box should be left unchecked on P-O. Creature repeats are allowed provided you have evidence that the trainer had as many creatures of that stage on his or her team at once. For example, Steven Stone may not use two or more Metagrosses but Dragon Master Lance may use as many as three separate Dragonites on one team.

Wifi Battle: this box should be left unchecked on P-O. If you check it, two things will become possible. First, before the battle even begins you will be able to see all six of your opponent's Pokémon and he/she will be able to see all six of yours. Second, you will each be able to rearrange the order of your teams.

Self-KO Clause: this box should be left unchecked. For the purposes of this tournament, if a Pokémon KO's both itself and its opponent and there are no Pokémon left standing, the battle will be a tie. This happens in the anime all the time and this is a casual tournament anyway.

Everything else should be relatively obvious/will be the same as Talon’s tournament unless noted. Kuno, can you get us a private room on the main server like we had last time? If anyone has any problems with this ruleset, or questions, speak now or forever hold your peace: I’m off to roll some types!

[Talon87]

LC: We still use UPN. I'm in the room right now. (Have been all afternoon.) If you can't get in, you need to let me know. I have it set to inviteonly for a reason. (Caps lock and flood lock are disabled. If some random jackass showed up he could go to town, so ... no. Invite only. :|)

Other people: When you get the Pokemon-Online software up and running on your computer, you will see three tabs in the sort-of upper-left corner of your screen. They should read "Players", "Battles", and "Channels". Click on the one that says "Channels" and then look for UPN. If you can't find it, type the name "UPN" (no quotation marks) into the "Join: ____________" search bar at the bottom.

You will not be able to join the room if you are new to UPN P-O tournaments! If this is the case, PM me -- my name on P-O is Kotone -- and I will let you into the room.

[Kindrindra]

Can I be that last lucky participant?

[Lonely Cubone]

Yes, yes you can.

A lucky participant is you!

Okay, list up shortly!

[Lonely Cubone]

And here we are, a Pokémon type list. As I've said, you can swap if you absolutely must, but please do it quickly if you want to do it at all, and before either of you complete any battles.


Lonely Cubone Steel
Concept Ice
DaveTheFishGuy Poison
Ethereal Water
Phoopes Fire
SP-Eevee Dragon
Holy Emperor Psychic
Yuki-N Electric
DaisyInari Bug
Firewater Grass
Kairne Dark
Talon87 Ghost
Empoleon Dynamite Normal
Mewmaster007 Fighting
Quintowill Rock
Yougirasu Ground
Kindrindra Flying

You are free to begin, but don't feel like you have to. I'm not!

[Concept]

Looks good to me.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

>Second favourite type

Yeahhhhhh, totally worth coming last.

[Tyranidos]

Aw man. Have fun guys.

[Talon87]

LC asked me to help him explain to you guys how the P-O channel is going to work (or rather, how it has worked since last tourney), so here goes ...

=Channel Rules and Guidelines=

(Read me! Length is no excuse not to read me! XP)
#1. P-O is weird with its channels, and unfortunately if we don't set it to inviteonly, anyone can come in and (through means we don't quite understand) assume channel operatorship on their own and kick us out. All trolly like. So we generally set it to inviteonly.

#2. But because of this, people can't get in unless they're made into a channel op. So ... we have to make everybody a channel op.

#3. But "with great power comes ... [yadda yadda]", tl;dr don't abuse the power. :p :)

#4. To find out what you can do and how, type in /commands channel

*** CHANNEL Commands ***
/topic [topic]: Sets the topic of a channel. Only works if you're the first to log on a channel or have auth there. Displays current topic instead if no new one is given.
/ck [name]: Kick someone from current channel.
/inviteonly [on|off]: Makes a channel invite-only or public.
/invite [name]: Invites a user to current channel.
/op [name]: Gives a user operator status.
/deop [name]: Removes operator status from a user.
/csilence [minutes]: Prevents authless users from talking in current channel specified time.
/csilenceoff: Allows users to talk in current channel.
/cmute [name]: Mutes someone in current channel.
/cunmute [name]: Unmutes someone in current channel.
/cmutes: Lists users muted in current channel.
/cbans: Lists users banned from current channel.

Only channel masters may use the following commands:
/ctogglecaps: Turns on/off the server anti-caps bot in current channel.
/ctoggleflood: Turns on/off the server anti-flood bot in current channel. Overactive still in effect.
/cban [name]: Bans someone from current channel.
/cunban [name]: Unbans someone from current channel.
/owner [name]: Gives a user owner status.
/deowner [name]: Removes owner status from a user.
I repeat: do not abuse these powers, not even as a joke.

#5. Your operatorship should be linked to the room by your username and last for the duration of this tournament. (LC's seems to have reset for some reason but mine, Kuno's, Yuki's, Daisy's, and other people who still sign in here regularly ... ours have not. So it may be a times-out kind of a thing. If you have not signed in since November's tournament, you may need to be re-invited and re-op'ed.)

#5, con't. However, all other room features are reset to 0 once the last person exits the room. E.g. flood control, caps control, and invite only status.

#6. So! Here's the drill, then:
* If you see the UPN room, join it!
* If you don't see the UPN room, feel free to create it! (You do this by "join"ing it as you would before. It creates it automatically for you.)
* If you're the first person to join the room, be sure to ALWAYS do the following!
/ctogglecaps
/ctoggleflood
/inviteonly on
This will prevent any of us from getting silenced or booted for using too much caps or for flooding the channel. Ordinarily you'd think these are good rules to keep in place, but P-O's a bit retarded and mistakes somebody who types as quickly as I do (even if he's saying a lot of stuff) as flood and it mistakes any of us who use an acronym or two per sentence multiple sentences in a row as being caps whores. The inviteonly thing is there, as I mentioned before, to keep channel hijackers out.

#7. If the channel should get infiltrated by an outsider, do not engage them or try to troll them. Just leave 'em be. Just like a honeybee, if you swat at them, then they summon the hive on you, but if you leave 'em alone, they bore easily and move on to the next flower. Do not -- I repeat, do not -- be a petty dick with outsiders while you're in the UPN channel. If you do, you may make the channel unusable for everybody else.

#8. Have fun! ^-^ Feel free to use the channel as a place to hang out with your fellow UPNers whenever you're using P-O. It doesn't just have to be for the tournament, although tournament chat is certain to be the highlight of the channel whenever a tournament is running.
The short, short version: we invite you, we op you, you don't abuse the power, we don't have to op you again, you can just come on in whenever.

[Lonely Cubone]

(New people: It's not half as complicated as that sounds)

[quintowill]

>Rock.

This will be a challenge...

[Holy Emperor]

Talon just loves long posts. So are non-u8er legends allowed?

[Lonely Cubone]

Anything that isn't on the ban list. However, I will look down on you if you show up with the full set of Lake Guardians. Try and keep it friendly.

[Ethereal]

Yayyy, I have lots to play with.
Good luck everyone! I won't have much time for the rest of the day, but I can probably squeeze in a match this following week.

[empoleon dynamite]

> Normal

Would've been more comfortable with Ground/Rock but Normal should be pretty fun. Battols start when I'm done with exams (19th)

[phoopes]

Fire. 5th on my list of prefered types, behind Psychic, Steel, Dragon, and Water. Not too bad.

[quintowill]

Steel, Bug, Electric.

After that it gets a bit fuzzy for order of preference.

[Talon87]

I got Ghost. I'm sure it will likely not be a popular type for a monotype tournament such as this, but all the same, I thought I would offer it up for trade for people who are not happy with their own types. See if we can work out an arrangement that is agreeable to both parties. That doesn't mean I'll just give away Ghost willy-nilly, but it does mean that if you absolutely cry your eyes out at night that you don't have a Ghost Pokemon IRL and if you got the type you hate most in the world that I'd be sympathetic.

I guess I should list types I'd be interested in that the people who got them may be upset they got: Grass, Ice, Fire, Bug, ... that's probably it. If you got a different type than one of these but are still "MY GHOOOOOOOOSTS ;_;", it doesn't hurt to at least try and ask me. There are other types I'm interested in but did not list because I imagine they're quite popular both theme-wise as well as competitive-wise.

[quintowill]

Just to be sure Tyranitar with Sand Stream is banned?

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Pretty sure it isn't but using it makes you a bad person.

[quintowill]

I would laugh if Kuno decides to use a team of pixies.

[phoopes]

1. LC, if we didn't even use a certain Pokemon in a tourney battle, are we allowed to switch its moves? My case is that I accidentally put the wrong Hidden Power on one of my 'Mons, but I didn't even use it in my match against Kairne, so I'd like to change it. Just checking to make sure though.

2. Speaking of my match against Kairne, here's me winning.

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-phoopes-vs-DruidKairne--2012-01-07-private125333447

Uploaded by Talon, because my comp was like, "Lol, I'm not saving this log even though you clearly have that box checked."

[Firewater]

grass...

...
...

w/e, let's roll some bitches.


also I would have voted no on banning sand rush Exadrill, not my issue though.


...tries to think of a team...


...do we have to keep the same 6 the entire time?

[Concept]

Normally I'd make a sarcastic post at this point, but I really want to see what Talon can do with it in my stead :p.

[quintowill]

Its prepare 9, choose 6.

[Firewater]

Normally I'd make a sarcastic post at this point, but I really want to see what Talon can do with it in my stead :p.

I havne't been here all day. so I don't know.


also, thanks Quinto.

[Concept]

I didn't say my sarcastic post would be in any way fair :p.

[Firewater]

w/e, but just curious, why is Shaymin -Sky form banned?

[phoopes]

Here's my winning battle against Quintowill.

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-phoopes-vs-quintowill--2012-01-07-private1849386047

2-0. Off to a good start. Though I'm surprised I won the last one, with the whole type disadvantage thing.

[quintowill]

Here's my winning battle against Quintowill.

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-phoopes-vs-quintowill--2012-01-07-private1849386047

2-0. Off to a good start. Though I'm surprised I won the last one, with the whole type disadvantage thing.

Yeah... I had control til the end. If I would have just Rock Slide with Cradily instead of Toxic, I may have won.

[Concept]

>Quinto's team

You realise FW got curbstomped by Heatran not Terrakion right? :p Terrakion was Tdos' challenge.

[quintowill]

>Quinto's team

You realise FW got curbstomped by Heatran not Terrakion right? :p Terrakion was Tdos' challenge.

I actually forgot...

[phoopes]

>Quinto's team

You realise FW got curbstomped by Heatran not Terrakion right? :p Terrakion was Tdos' challenge.

That's why in the log I said, "Lol, FW Bane." If anyone should have named their team member that, it should have been my Heatran.

[quintowill]

Which it should be.

[Firewater]

...

Fire vs. Grass

but RNG is such a troll.

silly self-KO clause

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-phoopes-vs-firewater--2012-01-08


Phoopes won though.

[phoopes]

Yes, Grass is really troll. 2 Toxic misses and 3 Fire Blast misses on my end, but I still won due to this rule...

If both players have only one Pokemon left, moves which KO both the user and the opponent are not allowed (e.g. Explosion, Destiny Bond). If recoil damage would cause a tie, Self KO Clause does not activate, and the player who last attacked is the winner.

Recoil from Flare Blitz killed me, hence I am the winner. 3-0 in the tourney.

[Firewater]

...should be 2-0, but 1-1 now

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-firewater-vs-quintowill--2012-01-08

[Celebii151]

Aww, I'm too late. :(

[Holy Emperor]

My team is ready. Very happy I got psychic. One of my favorite types for sure.

[Lonely Cubone]

1. LC, if we didn't even use a certain Pokemon in a tourney battle, are we allowed to switch its moves? My case is that I accidentally put the wrong Hidden Power on one of my 'Mons, but I didn't even use it in my match against Kairne, so I'd like to change it. Just checking to make sure though.

Moves are locked from the first time you used that 'mon. If it's not been used yet then you're free to change (mostly because we have no way of knowing that you've done it!)

Also Sand Stream Ttar is allowable as Rock is pretty dreadful anyhow and Dark has no use for it.

Sky Forme Shaymin is banned because Serene Grace Air Slashes (60% flinch) coming off coming with Shymin's special attack (140?). Only Pokemon Smogon has ever unanimously banned I believe.

As for the matches that have already happened, probably won't be able to start doing a table till tomorrow but feel free to keep going.

[Holy Emperor]

Also Sand Stream Ttar is allowable as Rock is pretty dreadful anyhow and Dark has no use for it.

Don't forget grounds get Sand Stream via Hippo dude.

[Lonely Cubone]

Yeah, fair point- I don't think it's that broken without Sand Stream Excadrill though. Anyway, we've started now so them's the rules (unless anyone find a super legend I've somehow missed off the list- I only remembered Kyurem late last night).

[quintowill]

Is the forth muskateer Mon useable?

[empoleon dynamite]

Keldeo? It's not been released yet so no.

[Holy Emperor]

It's listed under Lim8o tier so I would assume not. That is where Genesect, Meloetta, etc are.

[Lonely Cubone]

Yeah, no unreleased legends. That is in the ban list.

Seeing Phoopes using a Heatran makes me feel less bad about considering it but don't think I'm going to anyway...maybe just against FW.

[quintowill]

I'm on the channel right now if anybody is ready.

[Holy Emperor]

I am ready 8ut I want to fight Talon first <33333333

[Lonely Cubone]

Making a team now, struggling between the Pokémon I like and the Pokémon that will do well (aka Durant vs Scizor). The former will probably win.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Durannnnnnnnnnt.

Gonna make a team sometime today.

[Celebii151]

The tournament. It's held on UPN channel? Just wanna know?

[quintowill]

The tournament. It's held on UPN channel? Just wanna know?

Yup.

[phoopes]

Thanks Elsie. I changed the move before my other two matches anyway, but I had no need to use it.

[Lonely Cubone]

> Steel type squad of nine
> No Heatran, no Lucario

Oh me.

[quintowill]

Ice v Rock

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Concept186-vs-quintowill--2012-01-08

[Concept]

Sad times.

[quintowill]

I think Ice and Rock are gonna have the hardest times. But sadface cause I didn't see Regice.

[Talon87]

No Shell Smash Cloyster? And to be honest, the battle was decided the moment you stubbornly refused to call Abomasnow back.

[Ethereal]

Can someone let me into the UPN channel?
Username is "Ethe Is Wet" (no apostrophes).

[YUKI.N]

Can someone let me into the UPN channel?
Username is "Ethe Is Wet" (no apostrophes).

Try now?

[Lonely Cubone]

> Yuki Nagato isn't Yuki.N

Great. Someone invite LC Steel back into his own Tournament Channel please :p

Also I've been asked to clarify the evasion rules. As I didn't specify it before, I said all unspecified rules were the same is in the previous Tournament, and I believe he saw a few DTers in that one- so yes, DT/Bright Powder, go for it. It might work once or twice out of 16 battles...

[YUKI.N]

Electric vs. Grass (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-firewater-vs-Lilbluecorsola--2012-01-08)

Go Underdog!

[Holy Emperor]

Psychic vs Grass (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-firewater-vs-Kuno--2012-01-08-private412326090)

It was an interesting match. I got lucky on a switch and with some hax. :x

[Holy Emperor]

Psychic vs Ice (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-Concept186--2012-01-08-private1147327267)

The beginning was very... tense. He got lucky with DEM CRITS but then so did I. And then after that uh.. the battle took a different pace. ^^;

[Firewater]

...Grass vs. Ice.


man fuck that shit- GG though Concept.

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Concept186-vs-firewater--2012-01-08

1-4 in tourney.

[YUKI.N]

Electric vs. Ice (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Concept186-vs-Lilbluecorsola--2012-01-08)

Close one.

[Holy Emperor]

Psychic vs Rock (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-quintowill--2012-01-08-private1335760363)

I <3 quintowill. He is doing good for such a frail type. Why is rock so weak defensively anyway, it's supposed to be sturdy and shit. Well anyway, here is the reply. I was afraid of T-Tar most of all but that Crustle was fucking me up.

[quintowill]

Bug v Rock

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-quintowill-vs-DaisyInari--2012-01-08

Scizor is a bitch...

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Also I've been asked to clarify the evasion rules. As I didn't specify it before, I said all unspecified rules were the same is in the previous Tournament, and I believe he saw a few DTers in that one- so yes, DT/Bright Powder, go for it. It might work once or twice out of 16 battles...

...ugh.

In other news I now feel bad that I've not done anything ;;

[quintowill]

Rock v electric

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-quintowill-vs-Lilbluecorsola--2012-01-08

2-3 in tourny

also

Rock v Water

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-quintowill-vs-Ethe-Is-Wet--2012-01-08

Cradily is a beast.

[DaisyInari]

~ETHE VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-Ethe-Is-Wet--2012-01-08)

Stealth rock deserves all of my hate, and yet...

GG Ethe, nice water team~

[Jerichi]

Just stepping into the thread for a moment to say that I am impressed at the battles I've seen so far. Best of luck to you all.

[quintowill]

I don't see what blaze and Reps see in rock types...

[Firewater]

Grass vs. Water.


...kinda played bad, damn Empoleon...


but Ferrothorn saved the day
http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Ethe-Is-Wet-vs-firewater--2012-01-08

2-4

[Holy Emperor]

Psychic vs Electric (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-Lilbluecorsola--2012-01-08-private870209958)

We practiced a lot and it definitely showed. However there are a few Pokemon on my team that always posed a threat and although she tried her best to kill em, she came a little short. Also there was that one round with t-wave. ><

[phoopes]

Lost to Kuno, because Psychic is boss.

[Holy Emperor]

Psychic vs Fire (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-phoopes--2012-01-08-private1523607523)

Closeeeeeee. That Darmitan or whatever was the bane of my existance. With no SR I had no way to stop it. That thing is fucking fast. Wtf. Also saccing my Slowbro right at the start probably wasn't the best idea ever, either. :/

[phoopes]

Kuno: It was Scarfed. Also wondering what mysterious Pokemon Number 6 was, since I was too scared of it being a levitator to use EQ on my Scarfed Darmanitan at the end.

[quintowill]

~ETHE VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-Ethe-Is-Wet--2012-01-08)

Stealth rock deserves all of my hate, and yet...

GG Ethe, nice water team~

Levanny hits hard as hell...

[phoopes]

Lost to Ethe, because Water>Fire. 3-2.

[Ethereal]

that infernape scared me for a moment though.
uh
2-3?
(Cept/Phoop)-(Daisy/Quin/FW)

[phoopes]

Lost to Daisy. Totally not Brightpowder hax or anything. :p 3-3.

[DaisyInari]

~PHOOPES VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-phoopes--2012-01-08)

Fire v Bug. Erm, I won, but by SHEER LUCK. Like seriously, it couldn't get any luckier than that :x

GG Phoopes, you did well with Victini at the end~

[DaveTheFishGuy]

>Brightpowder

Remember when I said we should have Evasion Clause on?

Yeah.

Still some good battles so far, should be joining in pretty soon.

[Lonely Cubone]

That's not Bright Powder, that's ultracrack. Daisy still gets all my love for a Yangmega sweep.

But yeah, I want to get on this now. Not sure I'm going to be all that competitive as I'm not bringing most of my OU options but could be interesting all the same.

Nice battles overnight, will get working on a table shortly!

Edit: Squad finished, ready to battle when people desire.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

GAWD GUYS I FINALLY MAKE A SQUAD AND THERE'S NO-ONE ONLINE HONESTLY

[Kindrindra]

>Gets Favorite type

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe
Damnit now I feel pressured to not let the type down. XD


That doesn't mean I'll just give away Ghost willy-nilly, but it does mean that if you absolutely cry your eyes out at night that you don't have a Ghost Pokemon IRL and if you got the type you hate most in the world that I'd be sympathetic.

Just had to say this reminded me of an IRL friend of mine.

[DaisyInari]

~DAVE VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09)

^_^ Poison types are just too awesome for me. Close though!

GG Dave, let's have a rematch sometime~

[Lonely Cubone]

Elsie (Steel) vs DaisyInari (Bug) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-LC-Steel--2012-01-09)

Thoughts:
Words...just can't describe how bad that was. Six Niled by a type I should have comfortably beaten. After Steelix had an absolute ball with Dragon Tail.

A few horribly timed crits/misses on my side throughout, but that doesn't excuse getting 6-0d.

And my secret weapon was outed.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

~DAVE VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09)

^_^ Poison types are just too awesome for me. Close though!

GG Dave, let's have a rematch sometime~

All I can say is thank Glod for Scolipede's naturally high Defence. Massively slipped up with that Fire Blast miss which turned the whole match back against me.

Great match Daisy, thanks for a challenging start to the tournament :]

[Kindrindra]

Shooting myself in the foot by saying this, but why exactly is Kyurem banned?

[Concept]

Because I want it, and Elsie is strongly against letting me have things I want.

[empoleon dynamite]

Shooting myself in the foot by saying this, but why exactly is Kyurem banned?Stats.

Watching these logs has got me all hyped up. I'll see how work goes and might have a few matches tonight. Need to reclaim my title as UPN Champion '10 ;)

[Talon87]

You still hold that title. Last November's tournament was a themed one. So is this. I don't think anyone really places all that much value on 1st or last place in such tournaments where people are on uneven footing right from the get-go. (See: Lance vs. Koga, Green vs. Will, etc.) Though I must say, there have been some surprising matches so far. Bug Fire ... Bug Steel ... Grass Fire ... I've been quite surprised. Not sure how much of that is to blame on P-O's fickle hax ^^; and how much not, but whatever.

[Concept]

Lance vs. Koga

I seem to remember getting down to Kuno's final Dragonite thanks to Skuntank.

In relation to this tourny (videos to come later), I had a clear loss to Dave (Ice vs Poison) and the narrowest of victories over Daisy (Ice vs Bug).

[Kindrindra]

Stats.

Didn't stop Smogon from making it OU. Actually, I remember people talking about dropping it to UU. Something about a really inopportune speed and poor offensive synergy. I have to say from experience, though, they kick ass on hail teams. And, imop, Ice kinda needs that little extra boost. :/

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Confirming win over Concept in a good battle that had me thinking a lot.

Not that that's hard since I suck.

[blazeVA]

I MISSED IT!

Also, quinto not leading with T-tar is making me sadface.

Why in hell was Deoxys-D and Speed forme banned? They are UU and OU man.

[Kindrindra]

I MISSED IT!

Also, quinto not leading with T-tar is making me sadface.

Why in hell was Deoxys-D and Speed forme banned? They are UU and OU man.

Speed Forme got send to Ubers not too long ago.

Have to agree with you about Defense Forme, though.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Lost 0-2 to Yuki in a good battle. My overall squad is pants vs Electric which necessitated using a team that I wouldn't usually run. That said I don't think I did too badly aside from missing that sodding baloon at the start.

GG Yuki. 2-1 now.

[Talon87]

What you guys have to get through your head when you keep bringing up Smogon is, Smogon tiers work when you're playing traditionally. That means ...
6v6 singles
no repeats
can have any combinations of elements you like
can have any combination of tier-permitted creatures you like
So for instance, Kyurem may be OU or UU in Smogon's listings because, despite its base stat total (BST), it just can't hold up against a fighting-heavy, rock-heavy OU metagame. Stone Edge is everywhere, Mach Punch is everywhere, SubFocus Punch is not uncommon even in OU ... not to mention that, thanks to his ice type, Kyurem loses his resistance to fire (which opens him up to assault from all manner of threats, both physical and special), something which most of the ubers don't have to worry about as they either have the SpDef or the elemental resistances necessary to allow them to stay put when, say, Ho-Oh decides to join the party and spam Sacred Fire.

But in this tourney, where people don't enjoy all of the freedoms listed above -- where, in effect, you are playing an entirely different metagame -- Smogon rules don't always apply. For instance, because we're type-limited, there's already a huge imbalance between certain ones of the elements. Why?
Because some of the elements have way too many weaknesses. (e.g. Grass)
Because some of the elements have way too few things weak to them. (e.g. Normal, Ghost)
Because some of the elements have 10+ OU champions while others of the elements are lucky to even have as many as 2 OU regulars.
Because some of the elements have more well-rounded profiles (meaning, they have physical sweepers, special sweepers, defensive walls, special walls, clerics, hazers, spikers, SubStallers, etc) courtesy of their available secondary typings and their stat distributions while others of the elements pretty much only have one or two things which they can do and which, once you figure that out, you can completely wall them.
I could go on, but I think you should appreciate the truth in what I am saying. Thus, you should be able to understand the logic that went into stripping Ice of Kyurem. The idea was, "In a tournament with so many peewee Pokemon, Kyurem is just too good. Not because he is teh Kyurem. But because he's just another Pokémon with an obscenely high BST."

In hindsight, it probably would have been smart to grant Ice that exception and let it have Kyurem. (Similarly, I don't think that Ghost would have complained about having been allowed Giratina.) But what's done is done and so we'll just have to roll with it.

(If you'd like to read more, expand. If not, you're done.)
If anything, this tournament will serve as excellent evidence for any future type-based tournaments that there are serious differences between the elements that need to be addressed via a handicap system if fair play is desired. (If just-for-laughs play is desired, as was the intent behind the Champions tournament, then no changes are really necessary.)

Another thing this tournament illustrates is that, if we want to have serious competitions (like Loki's Summer 2010 one) in the future, it is unacceptable to decide a winner based on only one match. I did one-battle-per-round Round Robin for the last tournament because it was a just-for-fun tournament and I wanted everyone to have a chance to play loads of battles regardless of how talented or poor they were at Pokemon battling or regardless of how good or bad their luck of the draw was when Kuno rolled teams; but, at the same time, I didn't want to have to deal with people arguing about which of their three or five battles were their tournament-official ones. Keeping it to just one battle per round made this problem vanish. Similarly, LC's done single-battle Round Robin here because, despite the work involved in keeping those tables updated, it let's everybody have fun battling. But the one pitfall is, by only having these battles be "Best out of 1" instead of "Best out of 3" or "Best out of 5," you're really subject to the whims of the P-O hax gods. We've already witnessed this in a couple of battles. It makes for some fun times but it definitely fucks with the results, pardon my French, if we're trying to determine which elements are naturally more robust in a mono-type tournament than others.

[YUKI.N]

Electric vs. Poison (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Lilbluecorsola-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09)

Do you like Waffles?

Yeah we like Waffles! Do-do-do-do~

[Kindrindra]

@Talon: Fair point.

But I'm still a little confused as to why Defense Forme Deoxys is banned. [/Pointless continuation]


EDIT: OH GOD THE CHOICES. Y U SO HARD?!

[Lonely Cubone]

Honest answer to why defence form Deoxys is banned: I read Smogon's ban list, saw A & S were banned and just figured it was to and whacked it on my list.

Either way, we've started the tournament now so another three pages of moaning about why x/y is/isn't banned is about as useful a syphilis and half as fun.

[Concept]

Honest answer to why defence form Deoxys is banned: I read Smogon's ban list, saw A & S were banned and just figured it was to and whacked it on my list.

Either way, we've started the tournament now so another three pages of moaning about why x/y is/isn't banned is about as useful a syphilis and half as fun.

Goddamit Elsie, you're not supposed to tell them how much fun syphilis is. In a month the whole world will be blind!

[Kindrindra]

Finally... Done...

Ho boy this is gonna be good. Even if I should be finishing my project by next block.

[empoleon dynamite]

Is Moody (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Moody_%28ability%29) banned?

[/teambuilding]

[Kindrindra]

Oh, could someone invite me into the channel?

Username is DiamondSomething.

[Lonely Cubone]

Oh lord. I don't know to be honest, seems potentially nasty but not reliable enough to flat out ban...

[Lonely Cubone]

Elsie (Steel) vs Talon (Ghost) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kotone-vs-LC-Steel--2012-01-09)

Thoughts:
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF Scald!

[Talon87]

Ghost vs. Steel (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kotone-vs-LC-Steel--2012-01-09-1-private756825927)

In hushed whispers, they speak of the legend ...

The legend of ...

Animechu.

*Activision-Blizzard, 20th Century Fox, and LucasFilm proudly present ...*

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~

That's kind of how I imagine the story of my competitive Pokémon tale going. :lol: I had some crazy fun times in the last tourney courtesy of the blessings of the hax gods and today they truly showed, as I often joke with Daisy XP, who their chosen son is. Because holy shit, I have never seen Scald burn so reliably as it did today. How many times did it burn? At least four times if memory serves me correctly. Haven't had a chance to go back and watch the video yet but holy shit, that was some astonishingly bad luck on Lonely Cubone's part.

Cofagrigus didn't do too bad of a job, and Gengar and Chandelure played their expected parts, but the real hero of this battle was Captain Pringles, the Jellicent. Although mine's female, so I guess she's Mrs. Pringles? (Mrs. Priss Pringles? *shot for bad Christmas joke*) In any event, she definitely pulled her weight in this battle. And to think I almost left her at home! 8O

LC thought he'd found his second wind with Registeel but unfortunately for him he was just one turn too slow with Rest. (That, or the hax gods bestowed upon me insane insight into the workings of a Pokemon battle.) I taunted that sonofabitch and that was pretty much the end of any comeback LC had planned.

I'm happy to at least not be 0-15 in this tourney. That's good. But I expect things to only get rockier from here. Vice versa, LC ... I think you'll do fine as this tournament progresses. You battle well, your team looks solid, and your element is a fairly fearsome one.

[DaisyInari]

~KUNO VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-Kuno--2012-01-08)

I'll let the video speak for itself!

Gg Kuno, remember your promise...

[DaisyInari]

~MM VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-MM007--2012-01-09)

Yeah... I don't like Stealth Rock xd

GG MM! That's loss number 3 for me~

[empoleon dynamite]

So I'm trying to get some practice battles in and it keeps assigning me random Pokémon. FFFF.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

So I'm trying to get some practice battles in and it keeps assigning me random Pokémon. FFFF.

Uncheck 'Challenge Cup', dude.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

IN OTHER NEWS:

Dave (Poison) VS. MM007 (Fighting) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaveTFG-vs-MM007--2012-01-09)

To be fair, MM doesn't have much comp. experience which let me get a Gengar sweep going. That set is pretty boss and it's nice to see that it's been recognised since I was using it years ago xd. Good game MM.

Also from earlier:

Dave (Poison) VS. Concept (Ice) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Concept186-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09)

GG mate.

[DaisyInari]

~KAIRNE VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-DruidKairne--2012-01-09)

Gotta love shinies, gotta hate 4x weaknesses~

GG Kairne! Nice mix of Darks you have there~

[Lonely Cubone]

--SELF NOTE--

All matches above this marker are in the table HERE:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/NemosCMPics/Monotable1.png

Listings on the left, current table on the right. Doesn't include any matchups which have not been posted in the thread.

[DaisyInari]

~CONCEPT VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Concept186-vs-DaisyInari--2012-01-09)

Ice is a beast! A chilling, frosty beast! T'was super close~

GG Concept, I'll get you next time!

~EMP VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-EmpNormal--2012-01-09)

I used one strategy against him, and that last poke of his was better suited earlier in the game...

GG Emp, we'll rematch once you think you have a solid grasp on your team~

[Kindrindra]

It won't let me in again. ;_;

Then again, it might be because I changed my avatar.


KIN VS CONCEPT ~ THE BIRD BARELY RIDES THE CHILLING NORTH WIND (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Concept186-vs-DiamondSomething--2012-01-09)

Please ignore the horribly cheesy title.

Thoughts:
Ice is one of the three types I, pardon the pun, shivered at the thought of facing. To make matters worse, I wasted my designated VIP almost immediately, like the idiot I am. After that sacrifice, though, I shifted into gear and set about trying to turn the tables. I made multiple mistakes for the rest of the match, but my 'mon carried me through like the superb specimens they are. In all honesty, that Mamoswine scared me out of my wits the moment it appeared- Knowing it almost certainly carried Ice Shard, I couldn't switch, as that would of allowed him a pretty much free kill. As things were, I did have to sacrifice Cruise to him, but Fighter made up for it in spades. Definite MVP, right there. Really glad I decided to use him at the last minuite. Thank you, Talon's-voice-in-my-head.

[DaisyInari]

~LILBLUE VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-Lilbluecorsola--2012-01-09)

A lot of her pokes I was afraid of because of the potential moves they could learn. But then I got a Quiver Dance on Flambe...

GG Sis, remember, it's not crack, it's love and support!

[YUKI.N]

Electric vs. Dark (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DruidKairne-vs-Lilbluecorsola--2012-01-09)

Looked like a Galvantula comeback at the last minute, but that wall stall Umbreon. x.X Suffice to say, Dark won.

GG Kairne!

[Lonely Cubone]

Elsie (Steel) v Emp (Normal) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-LC-Steel-vs-EmpNormal--2012-01-09)

I'm so happy that I managed to pull this off once in the whole battle...

KLANG SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

Apparently Blaze will love me for this.

[phoopes]

Daisy, I noticed that you had Life Orb on both Leavanny and Volcarona. With Item Clause in effect, that's a no-no.

[Holy Emperor]

Daisy, I noticed that you had Life Orb on both Leavanny and Volcarona. With Item Clause in effect, that's a no-no.

Should be ok unless they're in the same 8attle.

[Lonely Cubone]

Should be ok unless they're in the same 8attle.

Yeah this.

Also:

Elsie (Steel) vs Kairne (Dark) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-LC-Steel-vs-DruidKairne--2012-01-09)

Hydreigon swept me pretty bad.

[Ethereal]

Forgot to mention it earlier, but I beat concept.
(Ice vs Water)

[phoopes]

Should be ok unless they're in the same 8attle.

They were. Watch Bug vs. Electric match between her and Yuki. Leavanny and Volcarona were the only two Pokemon sent out by her, and they both had Life Orbs. I don't think it's a huge deal, but Item Clause is a rule, so.

[Lonely Cubone]

Apparently a couple of people thought one of my earlier posts about potentially allowing anything repeated but choice items was canon, clearly misunderstanding but it's friendly so I don't think it's particularly an issue. I'll have no lessons in cheapness from the man with a Heatran and a Victini :p

[Kindrindra]

Someone let me in, please! ;_;

[quintowill]

Poison v Rock

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaveTFG-vs-quintowill--2012-01-09

[phoopes]

Apparently a couple of people thought one of my earlier posts about potentially allowing anything repeated but choice items was canon, clearly misunderstanding but it's friendly so I don't think it's particularly an issue. I'll have no lessons in cheapness from the man with a Heatran and a Victini :p

And let's not forget about Moltres and Entei!

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Dave (Poison) VS. Quinto (Rock) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaveTFG-vs-quintowill--2012-01-09-1)

Probably should've won this but some flinchax and me deciding to blow Gengar instead of Nidoking cost me. That said Quinto did well so nice going man.

[Kindrindra]

And let's not forget about Moltres and Entei!

Those two aren't really very good. Victini has STAB Base 180 power V-Create, while Heatran... has over 9000 resistances, good defenses, sky-high special attack, and just high enough speed for Scarf action.

[Ethereal]

won against Kairne, Dragon Tail is amusing. I don't know how to save logs though, so I don't have a fancy match to show.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Dave (Poison) VS. Kin (Flying) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DiamondSomething-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09)

...whew. That was pretty damn close. Got a bit worried when Gyara did a number on my physical blocker but managed to claw it back a fair bit. Tentacruel put in a nice showing at the end. Great match Kin, very challenge.

[phoopes]

Those two aren't really very good. Victini has STAB Base 180 power V-Create, while Heatran... has over 9000 resistances, good defenses, sky-high special attack, and just high enough speed for Scarf action.

Well, before he had kind of complained about legendary use in general. I've battled competitively enough to know that Victini and Heatran >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moltres and Entei.

[Talon87]

Ghost vs. Bug (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kotone-vs-DaisyInari--2012-01-09-private616753859)

For LC: Ghost won.

So yeah. This was an interesting match ... but not so much because of what happened on the battlefield but because of what happened in the chat room. ^^; Suffice to say, Daisy finally gets it all straightened out that LC ended up settling on an old-fashioned Item Clause for this tournament, just like the one we had in November ... only problem is, she finds out during the match where she has two Pokemon, Volcarona and Leavanny, who both want Life Orb to work. In the end, we decided that even had Leavanny's orb been working, it probably would not have changed the course of this match (all other things, like switch-ins and crits and whatnot, being kept the same), so we opted not to do a rematch. Which relieved me, let me tell you, because DaisyInari's bug team is a force to be reckoned with! 8O

My main fear going into this match was, "Just who the heck is she going to lead off with?"
Volcarona: would she risk her heavyweight this early? And against Jellicent, no less?
Leavanny: she'd probably love to make mincemeat of Jellicent with this cricket, but ... can she really afford to risk me not leading with Jellicent?
Durant: she wouldn't lead with this XP ... but maybe that's precisely why she would! 8O The unpredictability factor!
Galvantula: a solid choice. Not a traditional lead but his diverse movepool would allow him to handle a wide array of possible leads on my end. I sure hope she doesn't lead with this one. But if she does ... can my lead handle him?
I feared a Galvantula lead but decided to put it all on the line and lead with my MVP when confronting a bug team: my fire Pokemon, Chandelure. Why? One, because if she led with ANYBODY else, the rewards would range from decent to oh so sweet. Two, because I had hope that Galvantula could not OHKO it ... even though I was pretty sure it could. >_<

So I have to say, when I saw the Galvantula lead, I braced myself; but when I saw that it "only" did 60%+ damage to me whereas I OHKO'd it, I began to calm down a bit immediately.

Everyone seemed very confident that she was going to sweep my entire team with Yanmega. I have no idea why. >_> Yes, it has Speed Boost, but that means it gave up the (imo superior) Tinted Lens. It's going to hurt me, sure, but it shouldn't be OHKO'ing every last thing I've got. Especially not when it doesn't know any SpAtt-boosting moves. Kuno was so sure of his pupil's victory that he bade me to forfeit right then and there. Uhh ... no? ^^; I fight to the bitter end. Never surrender! D:

No one can accuse me of winning this one through hax. It was relatively hax-free and, what's more, I think what little hax was there was balanced.

To Daisy, I would say that it was pretty close and that, in the end, it boiled down to perhaps two crucial things:
(1) when you switched Leavanny out (rather than just letting it die while trying to weaken Gengar more) and brought in Crustle, that allowed Gengar a free 2HKO on the Crustle while taking no damage, thus putting me one Poke ahead in the battle; and
(2) the fact that Blizzard, of course, managed to hit Leavanny.

Had either of those things not happened, the battle might have been very different in the end. Especially if Leavanny could have OHKO'd the fragile Froslass and then said "Hello :3" to the only thing I had left -- Jellicent. So good job on a close match. :) And don't worry about the item thing! =P Just fix it and move on.

[DaisyInari]

xd I think your Froslass was faster than my Leavanny, so I could only get ya if you missed and the Leaf Blade OHKO'd~

Anyway! GG Talon~

~KIN VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DiamondSomething-vs-DaisyInari--2012-01-09)

I wanted the Flyting type, goshdarnit!

GG Kin, I might've gotten you if I didn't flinch so much~

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Dave (Poison) VS. Ethe (Water) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Ethe-Is-Wet-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09)

My two favourite types...

So if Ethe had actually said 'Dave battol?' I might have actually thought about my team and swapped Nidoking out. Other big mistake I made would be thinking that using Trick with a Choice item locks you into Trick (which it bloody well should do). Good game Ethe, nice and close.

Also I'm not sure if this is a tie or a win for Ethe. Assuming the latter.

[YUKI.N]

Electric vs. Normal (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Lilbluecorsola-vs-EmpNormal--2012-01-09)

Surprise turn-around at the very end. Nice, imcFly.

Normal won.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Dave (Poison) VS. Kairne (Dark) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaveTFG-vs-DruidKairne--2012-01-09)

Yeesh. Had me sweating a bit when I horribly misplayed my first three 'mon. Stupid Bisharp. Fortunately Toxicroak saved the day (as ever) so I managed to get around it. Nice going Kairne, very nifty.

[Holy Emperor]

Psychic vs Flying (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-DiamondSomething--2012-01-09-private1516865423)

Watch me lose horri8ly oh god oh wait I didn't even end up using that last dude. I guess I got lucky with red card? idk. I managed to eek it out (somehow) in the end.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Dave (Poison) VS. Emp (Normal) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaveTFG-vs-EmpNormal--2012-01-09)

Emp is a terrible person.

[Talon87]

Ghost vs. Water (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kotone-vs-Ethe-Is-Wet--2012-01-09-private1554824107)

For LC: Water won.
Also for LC: my current score is 2 wins (Steel, Bug) to 1 loss (Water).

So ... sigh. 0-1 losses are never fun, and it definitely sucks to lose to such a gimmicky well-known strategy as Shell Smash Cloyster, but ... well, dem's the brakes. You win some, you lose some.

The battle starts off with some early luck in Ethe's favor. First, I don't know that Empoleon is faster than my Jellicent so I completely waste Turn 1. Then, when I try to burn, I miss, adding insult to injury. But before Ethe and Kuno can count me out of the race, I've successfully crippled Milotic (by way of BRN + Mummy) and start to turn things around. Mismagius was the powerhouse here with his awesome Energy Ball attacks. Unfortunately, that pesky, pesky Empoleon was neutral to Grass attacks, so I had to call Mismagius back and ... determining the flow of the match went back to Ethe.

I did okay, I think, for such a shitty element for this mono-type tourney. ^^; But I got lucky. Ethe either didn't bring certain things I thought he would or else he did certain things wrong (e.g. not using Protect the first turn Speed Boost Sharpedo was out). So I guess I can't complain about the loss. As Ethe gets better at battling, if we were to rematch, this is probably one I would lose 0-2, 0-3, maybe even 0-4.

Good job, Ethe. Let this be a lesson to you: Speed Boost is only good if you're alive to use it! =P ^^;

[Kindrindra]

KIN VS ETHE ~ THE WIND ELEGANTLY SHAPES THE WAVES! (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DiamondSomething-vs-Ethe-Is-Wet--2012-01-09)

Thoughts:
OUCH. ;_;
I was really depressed at the beggining when he managed to get SR down on my side despite my best efforts to the contrary. But... OWW. Beoing was this match's MVP, for sure. Tanking those hits like a beast, while getting ready to drill a hole through his team. Sorry, Ethe. You would of done better if he hadn't countered your team so perfectly. ;_;



KIN VS KUNO ~ THE ALMIGHTY ESPER TWISTS THE WIND, DESPITE HIS MISGIVINGS! (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-DiamondSomething--2012-01-09)

Thoughts:
Kuno thought it was over when he found he didn't have a certain mon he meant to bring. I urged him otherwise, and, well... He stepped up to his destiny and whopped me. Badly.



KIN VS DAVE ~ THE POLLUTED TIDES SKILLFULLY REPEL THE FEIRCE WIND (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DiamondSomething-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09-1)

Thoughts:
Ho boy. This was a beautiful match. Nice and close. As soon as Dave sent out Fugu, I knew this was gonna be good. We both derped a bit in the first matchup, but that ended in a tie, so yeah. That StronGar would of likely been the bane of the team if I hadn't had a sneaky suspicion that it was using the strategy it was. After all, this is the former Water GL- He's gonna have all the best sets. I should of seen what Elvis was going to do coming, but I managed to derp big time. In the final matchup, I might of won if I had just attacked. But I have no regrets- it was a good match.

[Ethereal]

Being stubborn with Spinny certainly did me in in that match.

[empoleon dynamite]

Normal vs. Dark (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DruidKairne-vs-EmpNormal--2012-01-09)
AKA the never-ending battle between good and evil

Thought Kairne might've won when he destroyed my Moodypass, but I managed to pull away with a win.

For the record I lost against Bug and Steel but I've beat Electric, Ice (I dunno if Concept has a log), Poison and Dark.

[mewmaster007]

Dark vs Fighting (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DruidKairne-vs-MM007--2012-01-09)

It was a good match despite type disadvantage, I think

Normal vs Fighting (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-MM007-vs-EmpNormal--2012-01-09)

Fuck moody so hard.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Dave (Poison) VS. Phoopes (Fire) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaveTFG-vs-phoopes--2012-01-09)

...{exhales}

I was seriously worried going into this matchup having seen Phoopes in action. I think I managed to catch him offguard with some of my sets (which I was happy with) but I was still on a knife edge - especially when Victini lived on 1% ;;

Somehow managed to pull off a Nido sweep though (love that thing) and put the boot into Volcarona to pull off a win. Still not sure how. Nice game Phoopes, always love a challenge.

[Holy Emperor]

Psychic vs Ghost (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-Kotone--2012-01-09-private530162817)

From the start I thought I was in a 8ad spot due to the crappy lead.. I also fucked up by not using EQ on Jellicent when I should of. 8ut.. somehow I managed to 8arely win this one. Also I got lucky with Metagross, despite 8eing too stupid to switch to it sooner.

[Kindrindra]

Apparently I'm not gone. But the channel has kicked me out again. I'm not sure why this is, but...

Oh. I've been forgetting to use that command. That explains it. So, someone let me in one last time?

[Talon87]

Ghost vs. Psychic (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-Kotone--2012-01-09-private1231660761)

For LC: Psychic won. Kuno mentioned this above.
Also for LC: my current standing is 2W, 2L. (Beat Steel, Bug. Defeated by Water, Psychic.)

Would like to comment on this more but I have people waiting to battle. X_x Suffice to say for now ... this was damn close, with back and forth at every corner, and it really boiled down to whether or not I could kill that Jirachi. Leftovers + Wish = >_<. I got it down to 1% HP at one point but ... not good enough. Just not good enough. If I could have killed it, I'd have won, too. Gengar was (is) Scarfed and would have outraced Alakazam. Sucks. Oh well.

Good job, Kuno. I hope you had fun. ^_^

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Dave (Poison) VS. Kuno (Psychic) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09)

Alright, let's face facts - this was never going to go well. Hell, the fact that I knew this battle was coming is part of the reason I drafted in Drapion in the first place, and if it weren't for him I'd probably have been 6/5-0'd. Some of my strategies didn't pan out (like getting Venomoth set up), but that's the breaks. I was happy with how I did, even though I thought I'd win at one point until Rachi got up in my grill.

Nice going Kuno, great battle.

[Holy Emperor]

Psychic vs Poison (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kuno-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09-1-private272039168)

This was one match I never really was afraid of until I saw how well Dave was doing. I took a chance with my lead, which got it completely wrecked, 8ut it managed to prevent spikes and crap so that is a plus at least, right? I managed to get lucky with the t-punch, since I expected the floater to come in. I also got "lucky" 8y not getting fliched to Agility up and dent his team a good 8it. After that there was some 8ack and forth, and it came down to Jirachi 8eing a cheating whore and winning the game for me.

[Holy Emperor]

re: Talon, Dave

Those were 8oth very fun and very close. They could of gone either way with just a little more/less hax.

[Talon87]

Ghost vs. Dark (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kotone-vs-DruidKairne--2012-01-09-private585864433)

For LC: Ghost won.
Also for LC: my current standing is 3W, 2L. (W = Steel, Bug, Dark. L = Water, Psychic.)

This was a surprise. I expected Bisharp to wall the entire team, but drafting Froslass really paid off in a big way. Once Zoroark fell to her Signal Beam and Bisharp came in, I knew I had to get rid of him somehow. But he ... went down surprisingly easily. Much more easily than he had when I fought Kairne with my actual OU team.

I want to make one thing clear: I fought Kairne with my OU team and I didn't go easy on him. But he completely destroyed me. I was so horrified, in fact, that muh precious team ;_; had been so thoroughly trounced that I battled phoopes or Firewater (one of the two) immeditely afterwards to playtest my team, just to make sure I wasn't going crazy. And sure enough, I beat them about as much as you'd expect a competitive OU team to beat a monotype theme team. ^^; So I was like, "Dayum, Kairne is really good. And this dark-type team is really solid! :o"

That's why I was so surprised to see the Bisharp (and others) put up so little resistance to this P.O.S. ghost team. Don't think it reflects badly on Kairne or his team though. =P He's a good battler and his team worked wonders over an actual OU team. So there. =P

Anyway, back to this battle ... yeah. Froslass. Holy cow. Amazing MVP. It was easily worth sacking some other 'mons (like poor Golurk XP) if it meant she didn't die to, say, confusion making her punch herself in the face. Good job, girl. You're fragile ... but you're like a miniature, Ice-type Gengar. People don't use you that way, of course, because in competition, if you're going to use a Gengar-like creature, then you're going to use Gengar himself. :lol: :roll: But it just goes to show, Froslass is no slouch.

Good try, Kairne. I hope you weren't sincerely upset and were just playing a persona for the crowd. ^^; I think this team will pose a serious threat to other teams out there. Good luck in the rest of the tournament.
Hooray for not being 0-15 like I had feared I would be. (Seriously.) But with some of the tournament's heaviest hitters still awaiting me -- Fire, Grass, and Electric among them -- I think I'm going to be racking up many more losses before all is said and done. ^^;

[Holy Emperor]

Psychic vs Normal (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-EmpNormal-vs-Kuno--2012-01-09-private1701038998)

Unf. Maaaaaaaan did I get lucky. Was expecting to lose when I saw that 8oosted Snorlax. Getting lucky there turned things around for me. Good game, it was intense.

[DaisyInari]

~YOUGI VS DAISY~ (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DaisyInari-vs-Yougirasu--2012-01-09)

So the Ground type appears! With my bugs resisted, how will I fare?

GG Yougi, and good luck against the rest of the players~

[phoopes]

Lost to Dave, because WTF at Scarf Nidoking.

EDIT: 3-4. Not doing well after 3-0 start. Objective: WIN ANOTHER FRICKIN' MATCH. But good game, Dave. Some of sets really did catch me off guard.

[Talon87]

Ghost vs. Normal (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-EmpNormal-vs-Kotone--2012-01-09-private189393144)

For LC: Ghost won.
Also for LC: my current standings are 4W, 2L. (W = Steel, Bug, Dark, Normal. L = Water, Psychic.)

A new MVP every time, it seems. This time, my MVP was definitely Golurk. Not surprising, I suppose. Emp tried to wall my SpAtt-heavy team with the adorable Snorlax but it didn't work with the Att-heavy, Focus Punching Golurk on the job.

To be honest, though, on the whole this felt like a fairly ordinary battle. Neither one of us could use STAB, so Emp used a lot of Dark-type attacks like Crunch while I was left to rely upon Focus Blast and Focus Punch, Fighting-type attacks like those. Bit by bit we each lost Pokemon until the end when it was my 2 remaining to his 1 and finally 1.5 to 0.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Drapion VS. Talon (Ghost) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kotone-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-10)

Ok I think I now love Drapion. Talon got unlucky with that Focus Blast miss (which I'm not sure I would have survived since I don't know what set it was, but Drap's pretty bulky), and I scored a few Sniper crits. Sadly, he got the wrong nature on his Missy and assumed I was Scarf'd as a result, so... yeah. It was basically Night Slash all the way.

GG Talon, sorry for the snowballing ;;

[Talon87]

Ghost vs. Poison (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kotone-vs-DaveTFG--2012-01-09-private719770990)

For LC: Poison won.
Also for LC: my current standings are 4W, 3L. (W = Steel, Bug, Dark, Normal. L = Water, Psychic, Poison.)

So ... I didn't so much lose to Team Poison as I lost to Team Dark. ^^; Kairne, take notes.

Dave leads with a Qwilfish. I expect it to lay down Toxic Spikes so I opt to Taunt it. But instead, it outraces me and taunts me instead. I can't switch to anyone else on the team and risk him doing a STAB Water attack, so I pretty much have to stay put and spam my only attack: Scald. :| Four turns later, he's down and out. But at what cost? Several layers of spikes are now on the field. But

... they end up having no bearing on this battle whatsoever.

What then follows is a bloodbath as Dave brings out Drapion and proceeds to murder, one Pokemon at a time, my entire team of six.

Jellicent: deflated by a Night Slash to the face, its aetherial carcass then consumed the way Tom Cruise might devour his child's placenta and every bit as gruesome to behold. D:

Mismagius: I send her out, hoping that with her base 105 speed and speed investment that she will outrace Drapion. She doesn't. At which point it's confirmed: Drapion's got Choice Scarf. (Hold this thought: we'll come back to it later.) Drapion decapitates the witch, her witch's hat fluttering to the ground behind her, her body falling to the floor before vanishing into a poof of smoke, her head devoured unceremoniously by the gluttonous scorpion-king.

Gengar: So I send out Gengar to take one for the team. Focus Blast that son of a bitch. D: You may not be able to one-shot it, but you can at least put a sizeable dent in-- no? You're going to miss? D: And like watching a child on a bike careen into a guard rail, go flying off her bike, and get struck by a semi-truck in the oncoming traffic, I watch my Gengar get Night Slashed. OHKO.

The score is now 3 remaining to 5 remaining, Dave's lead.

Cofagrigus: Out next is my coffin sarcophagus whatever Pokemon. With its ridiculously high base Defense and the EV spread I have given it, maybe, I hope, just maybe it can survive two Night Slashes. I have to count on this because Cofagrigus's attack stats are so weak that without a Calm Mind, it won't be doing much of anything to Drapion. The scorpion-king knows this. So he smacks his mandibles and watches. First, he uses a Night Slash to bring Cofagrigus to its knees. As the coffin Pokemon tries to use Calm Mind and then fire off a Hidden Power, Drapion leans in for the kill and -- *MUNCH* -- there goes Pokemon #4. :|

Chandelure: one of my three power players is the second-to-last one sent off to the gallows. I know she can't possibly outspeed the scorpion. Not when he holds a Scarf. Not when she doesn't. It is a meaningless death, completely devoid of purpose. But Drapion doesn't understand the value of life or, if he does, he simply doesn't care. He Night Slashes at her flames and they extinguish, like candles in the wind.

Golurk: "Please don't eat me ;.;" the gentle giant whimpers. "Oh, I'm not going to eat you," laughs Drapion. "I'm going to MURDER YOU!!!" He disembowels the poor ground ghost and feasts upon its spectral flesh before its very own eyes. Golurk's suffering is great but transient: all it takes is one, final Night Slash to put him out of his misery.

That's right, folks: The battle went from 6-5 to 0-5 in just six turns. Six turns in a row, Dave had a OHKO. Six turns in a row, I lost a dear and cherished friend.

But it gets worse, dear readers: for you see, the Drapion never was holding a Choice Scarf. No: like some sort of sick, cruel joke, it turns out that the Drapion was just a run-of-the-mill Jolly Drapion, a psychopath like any other, one who likes to devour babies and slit ghosts' throats whenever he's not watching episodes of EastEnders.
I promised Dave I would embellish this rather brief battle and ... well, there you have it. I hope it was a fun read for all.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

>Wonders how Talon can blow up 'He Taunted me then set up Spikes and then used Night Slash six times'

Aaaaaaaaaand there we go. Now I hate myself and I'm going to go cry in the corner ;;

[Ethereal]

Summary of today:
Poison - W
Dark - W
Ghost - W
Psychic - W
Normal - L
Flying - L

[Kairne]

I have won against LC, Yuki, and Kin. I lost vs phoopes, both Daves, Ethe, Talon, MM, emp, and daisy. For records (3-8)

[phoopes]

Ugh... lost to Emp. Walled to Hell and back by Porygon-2.

3-5 now. Starting to not like Fire as much as I had when this started. Half of all battles done.

Beat: Kairne, Quintowill, FireWater
Lost to: Emp, Daisy, Kuno, Ethe, DTFG

[Firewater]

who's on now?

[Kairne]

No, Who's on first.

I'll prolly be on tomorrow.

[DaisyInari]

Firewater get your grass on over hereeeee

Records for Elsie:

Won: Rock, water, fire, psychic, steel, electric, ground, dark, normal

Lost: Fighting, poison, ghost, ice, flying

Still need: Grass and Dragon

[Jerichi]

>Dave vs. Daisy

omg wow that was awesome Kudos you two.

Edit: Damn these battles are fun to watch even if I'm just watching them through a warstoryer.

[Rangeetsuper]

>Talon
> Implying Cofagrigus was OHKOed

[Talon87]

Does it really matter? :roll: So he KO'd six Pokemon in seven turns instead of six. It was still slaughter.

[Lonely Cubone]

New Table
Includes all videos posted, there may be a few matches that people have posted in text form only that I'm waiting on confirmation from the other party on but generally I think this is pretty much up to date. Matches on the left, current standings on the right again.

Basically, someone needs to beat Kuno quick.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/NemosCMPics/Monotable2.png

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Unless my mind's playing tricks I lost to Emp, mate.

Fucking Moody

[Holy Emperor]

I lost to water also.

[Lonely Cubone]

Updated on my offline copy, apologies.

[Concept]

Lost to fighting and normal which aren't on here.

I'm sitting on a bunch of videos which I'll upload together at some point.

[Lonely Cubone]

Lost to fighting and normal which aren't on here.

I'm sitting on a bunch of videos which I'll upload together at some point.

These two things are related. No video, not on table unless I've had confirmation from both (usually)

Also, I think I've battled you right? Hopefully that's one of your vids?

[Concept]

Oh yeah, when I let Durant set up. Yeah I've got that somewhere.

[blazeVA]

Elsie (Steel) v Emp (Normal) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-LC-Steel-vs-EmpNormal--2012-01-09)

I'm so happy that I managed to pull this off once in the whole battle...

KLANG SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

Apparently Blaze will love me for this.

I love you for this.

[quintowill]

Ground v Rock

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-quintowill-vs-Yougirasu--2012-01-10

What you expect...

[Kindrindra]

KIN VS YOUGI ~ THE FEIRCE DESERT STORM, AT ONCE AT WAR AND AT PEACE! (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DiamondSomething-vs-Yougirasu--2012-01-10)

Thoughts:
I think this match had us both doing a lot of thinking before the match. The beginning of the match went mostly in my favor, Hangar proving her worth spectacularly. Unfortunately, I boosted when I should of healed, and Yougi easily picked them off. ;_;
Then Bomber happened. Oh god Bomber. I know why Yougi was worried about you. Dat bulk. There follows one of my rare moments of something resembling brilliance as I predicted almost flawlessly. I say almost because I was expecting T-bolt. And I expected him to switch against Glider- looking back, I don`t know why I thought that. Switching would gain him NOTHING.
In this fight, residual damage was most certainly the name of the game. Bomber, MVP awarded unconditionally.



KIN VS YUKI-N ~ DESPITE ALL ODDS, THE WIND BARELY CONTAINS THE VIOLENT STORM (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Lilbluecorsola-vs-DiamondSomething--2012-01-10)

Thoughts:
This is the second of the three match-ups I was terrified of going into. As Hana once said, flying has the odd problem that most of it's members who aren't weak to one side of the bolt-beam combo, are 4x weak to the other side. Just a bit of justification- the reason I brought Seaplane was for the obvious HP Ice that she would be packing. It may seem he did nothing, but he played a crucial role- revealing to me that her lead was neither scarfed nor speced. I'm not sure that later word is even a word. Anyway, Fighter proved their worth once again, indeed, 'Razing them like a Fighter Jet'. However, he doesn't claim the MVP position for this match quite that easily- It's obvious that without Beoing- Excuse me, Boeing- I would never of even stood a chance. That lead of hers was, quite frankly, the bane of my team. Without Boeing removing them, well, 6-0 would of happened. So I think this MVP goes as a split award to Fighter and Boeing, a devastating one-two punch that snached victory from the jaws of defeat.




Um...
KIN VS LC ~ HURRICANE. HOUSE. COMMENCE. (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-LC-Steel-vs-DiamondSomething--2012-01-10)

Thoughts:
Um... This is one of the three matches I was worried about. I mean, offensive types are measured in how well they do against steel. Steel is a wall. Repeling all that come towards it.
...And then Beoing happened. Dive bombed right into that wall. In the aftermath of the explosion, the wall was left, twisted and scared. The Skarmory or Bronzong I was dreading never appeared. Props to LC's last mon, though. Maybe things would of been different if he had used them earlier. Beoing proudly takes a full MVP award, a sort of consolation present for his typoed name, I suppose.



...I'll be honest here, I don't even want to give this one a title.
KIN VS QUINTO ~ A CHANCE HAPPENING WHIPS THE GUST INTO A FEARSOME TWISTER (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DiamondSomething-vs-quintowill--2012-01-10)

Thoughts:
Okay, let's be honest. This match would of been a lot harder for me if it hadn't been for that freeze. I was already frantically trying to think of a way to prevent meeting T-Dos's apparent future doom. Then the freeze happened. Godammit. Turned it from a difficult challenge into... something much easier. Sorry, Quinto. Hope the gods find some way to make it up to you.

[Lonely Cubone]

Elsie (Steel)

vs

Kind (Flying) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-LC-Steel-vs-DiamondSomething--2012-01-10-1)

The crit on my only Ice Beamer absolutely ended my chances here. Think Gliscor would have posed me real issues anyway but that was a little annoying to put it mildly.

vs MM (Fighting) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-LC-Steel-vs-MM007--2012-01-10)

And now I regret not having Zen Headbutt on the Metagross. One thing I realised pretty quickly is that carrying a Physical Steel move on pretty much all nine of my Pokemon was a bloody silly thing to do. Newbie.

vs Quintowill (Rock) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-LC-Steel-vs-quintowill--2012-01-10)

Terrakion had me seriously worried, but I didn't quite manage to lose every single matchup where I had the advantage...

[Talon87]

Ghost vs. Rock (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Kotone-vs-quintowill--2012-01-10-private1955821479)

A surprising match. If you enjoyed the nailbiter that was Ghost vs. Psychic, then you're going to love this.

For LC: Ghost won.
Also for LC: my current standings are 5W, 3L. (W = Steel, Bug, Dark, Normal, Rock. L = Water, Psychic, Poison.)

It all started off with a question: who should I lead with?

It seemed likeliest that quinto would lead with Tyranitar. I did not think that he would forsake the bonus that free sand gives a team like Rock. Certainly not when going up against the SpAtt-heavy forces of Team Ghost. So I had to ask myself, "Who will I lead with?"

I didn't want to risk leading with Gengar. What if Gengar misses? What then? So I had to figure out whether I was going to lead with:
(1) Jellicent,
(2) Golurk, or
(3) Rotom, the ninth and final member of Team Ghost. (Sorry, Eviolite Dusclops. You just got voted off the island.)

Without going into the details of how I decided (tourney's still going on and all XP), I settled on Golurk. It was risky, but I decided to test my chances. "If he Fire Blasts, Crunches, or Dark Pulses ... will I have enough HP left over to make a sub?"

It turned out that I was able to survive quinto's chosen attack, make a sub, and ...

... and then Tyranitar ran away.

That's kind of the story of this battle: like Psychic vs. Ghost, Rock vs. Ghost features a lot of back-and-forth struggles for control over the flow of the match. Talon seems to have it with Jellicent ... no wait, Quinto seems to have it with Cradily ... no wait, Talon seems to have it with Chandelure ... no wait, Quinto seems to have it with Tyranitar ... back and forth like this until finall we were each down to our last two or three Pokemon.

Where the battle really gets intense is toward the end where, after coming so far, it seems like I am certain to win. Only then ... quinto summons his Crustle. His Shell Smash, White Herb Crustle. He manages to 2HKO Golurk, but Golurk is at least able to bring Crustle down a fair margin. He utterly crushes Rotom, though, and so it all boils down to this: Choice Scarf Gengar vs. Shell Smash Crustle. Who will get to go first? (Gengar.) And, should Gengar get to go first, will his attack do enough damage to KO?

I get to go first. I Shadow Ball. And that's game.

But the getting there ... in those final five or six turns ... that was when the battle got ridiculous intense. Everyone in the chatroom could feel it. No one knew who was going to win, me or quinto. It was that close.

[Lonely Cubone]

LC vs Phoopes (Fire) (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-LC-Steel-vs-phoopes--2012-01-10)

That went pretty much as expected.

[phoopes]

In a not so stunning turn of events, Fire beating Steel means I'm up to 4-5. Good game Elsie, though I was never really worried about losing. (Maybe it was the type advantage, lol.)

Won: LC, Kairne, Quintowill, Firewater
Lost: DTFG, Daisy, Emp, Kuno, Ethe

[YUKI.N]

KIN VS YUKI-N ~ DESPITE ALL ODDS, THE WIND BARELY CONTAINS THE VIOLENT STORM (http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Lilbluecorsola-vs-DiamondSomething--2012-01-10)

Thoughts:
This is the second of the three match-ups I was terrified of going into. As Hana once said, flying has the odd problem that most of it's members who aren't weak to one side of the bolt-beam combo, are 4x weak to the other side. Just a bit of justification- the reason I brought Seaplane was for the obvious HP Ice that she would be packing. It may seem he did nothing, but he played a crucial role- revealing to me that her lead was neither scarfed nor speced. I'm not sure that later word is even a word. Anyway, Fighter proved their worth once again, indeed, 'Razing them like a Fighter Jet'. However, he doesn't claim the MVP position for this match quite that easily- It's obvious that without Beoing- Excuse me, Boeing- I would never of even stood a chance. That lead of hers was, quite frankly, the bane of my team. Without Boeing removing them, well, 6-0 would of happened. So I think this MVP goes as a split award to Fighter and Boeing, a devastating one-two punch that snached victory from the jaws of defeat.

It's official. Starapetor wants to eat my team for lunch. =x