Least Favorite Pokemon?

[unownmew]

Which pokemon do you just hate?

Or, which are your least favorite?


Personally, I hate Magmortar, Electivire, and Purugly.

With a minor vendetta against Zubat/Golbat, the most annoying wild pokemon ever created (IMO).

[Talon87]

I think most UPNers know the legend ...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/talon87/Pokemon/327Spinda.png
SUPWISE! :3

But jests of "Goddamn Spinda -_-;" and "SUPWISE! :3" aside, my least favorite Pokémon are usually the ones that are either super-super ugly (and not in a wicked awesome cool way), so ones like Purugly or Gothitelle, or else the ones that just don't look like a Pokémon (even if, duh-hurr, they are one), so ones like Ledyba or Ludicolo. Yeah, I especially dislike Ludicolo's look: he looks like a Mexican Darkwing Duck that mated with a Russian matryoshka doll or a Fabergé egg.

But a most hated Pokémon? During Gen 4, the award definitely went to Bidoof and later Bibarel. Though Bidoof really became awesome when ChunSoft broke through the fourth wall with him in their sequel to Pokémon Mystery Dungeon and had him basically be the slow-'n'-simple feller with a heart of gold character and lent him a lot of personality that was steeped in the fandom's impression of the retard beaver from D/P playthrus. Was hard not to love PMD Bidoof. Just like it was hard not to like Zazu Chatot in that game, even if he was a bit uptight and prissy at times. Digression. :oops: Most hated Pokémon ... most hated Pokémon ... you know, I really don't know. There've been ones I've disliked over the years but the hatred ebbs and flows.

Though I suppose Spinda shall forever be Talon87's archnememon. :lol:

[Mozz]

The Jewish one(s).

[Weebos]

The Jewish one(s).

http://www.serebii.net/pokearth/sprites/pt/476.png

[Tyranidos]

The Jewish one(s).

http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/meowth.gif

[Weebos]

The Jewish one(s).

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMEeBFbET_HNpkKXRLIV6VfplgjNwr3 _0nxIqXBQSa-yWDSW34

http://www.dontnukethepandas.com/uploads/2/3/3/4/2334649/29521.png

[Tyranidos]

The Jewish one(s).

http://s3.amazonaws.com/picable/2009/12/18/1544818_Pikajew_400.jpg

[Weebos]

The Jewish one(s).

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070806050920/uncyclopedia/images/e/e8/Pikajew.png

This is getting offensive. No regrets.

[Tyranidos]

I've had pretty offensive ideas, I think I'll stop now.

To stay on topic, I fucking hate Stunfisk.

[Weebos]

I honestly really can't think of one myself.
Maybe Reuniclus because he sucks.

[Ethereal]

I really dislike most fighting types.

[Holy Emperor]

I've done this before but there's a lot

Aipom/Ambipom
Quilfish
Swampert
Plusle/Minun
Spinda
Huntail
Gorebyss
Relicanth
Luvdisc

Theres more but Ill stop at gen 3.

[empoleon dynamite]

Scizor
Ambipom
Lucario
Seismitoad
Carracosta
Swanna
Almomomomomola

[DaveTheFishGuy]

I've done this before but there's a lot

Aipom/Ambipom
Quilfish
Swampert
Plusle/Minun
Spinda
Huntail
Gorebyss
Relicanth
Luvdisc

Theres more but Ill stop at gen 3.

>mostly awesome fish

;; did I do something wrong?

On-topic: Hate Scizor, Starmie, Gyarados and a few others that don't present themselves right now.

[Poke_Hunter]

I don't really dislike any Pokémon.

At the worst, maybe a minor Vendetta with Kangaskhan for killing my starter in my Leafgreen Nuzlocke.

[blazeVA]

Always hated the Zubat, because of SUPASONIC. >: (

But, otherwise, it would have to be...... Prinplup. PRINPLUP SUCKS SOME SERIOUS BALLS. Also, Bronzong, for trolling through my Pearl team. :(

[Weebos]

I can say there are aspects of pokemon that I dislike greatly. All pokemon with human things on their person.

Hitmonchan's outfit and gloves.
Machoke's and Machamp's belt.
Tangela's shoes.

Things like that I really dislike.

[quintowill]

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/e/e2/568Trubbish.png/200px-568Trubbish.png

[blazeVA]

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/e/e2/568Trubbish.png/200px-568Trubbish.png

The trash bag is awesome.
Another Pokemon I have vendettas with is the Magnemite family, god I hated Watson's gym.

[Talon87]

I really hated the idea of a trashbag monster at first, but I can't bitch too much about it since my bigger beef is with Pokémon that don't feel like real Pokémon and the trashbag Pokémon is, undeniably, a v.2.0 of Grimer and Muk. So if I was okay with toxic sludge randomly producing living organisms, how can I not be okay with living organisms also arising seemingly out of nothingness in a junkyard?

Machamp's belt is something which bothers me, but not in a "which Pokémon do you hate the most?" sense. More of a "what oddities about Pokémon canon bother you?" sense. It's one of those things that goes along the lines of "why are the hatchlings of Pokémon that never evolve already full-size?" (like Miltank) or "why is a full-grown mother with child hatching out of this egg?" (like Kangaskhan). I don't hate the creatures, but those oddities sure do nag at me. :lol: But when you really think about it, the biggest oddity of them all is the centerpiece to the entire franchise -- and that's that these creatures would take orders from humans even though half of them are said to have human or superhuman intelligence and nearly all of them are shown to have human or superhuman strength. It defies logic that an Alakazam would take orders from a ten-year old boy. One thing I've long felt is that ChunSoft was onto something with their PMD series -- if Pokémon were to get a fresh start, I think it'd be more logical if the monsters formed squads themselves and if we took out the humans. Whether it would still be about martial prowess, as in the franchise proper, or whether it would be about other goals, like the PMD groups' aims of being rescue squads, I think the story might be more believable if it played out like a Final Fantasy VII or Dragon Quest VIII where everyone joined the Hero's team in order to achieve a common goal or to help one another achieve their each individual's own goals. But I digress. This really has nothing to do with what Pokemon one hates the most. Does Machamp's belt make me hate him? Not particularly. I have more of an issue with the fact that he has a blue-skinned Austrian bodybuilder body with a peculiar fanged turtle head (Machoke) or fat-lipped amphibian head with peculiar cranial flanges (Machamp) glued on top of the trunk. Effin' weird. :| Would be like taking the body of a Torchic but replacing the head with Bill Gates'.

AMBIPOM! -_-; Great call, Headmaster. Really hate that one. It looks horrendous. Looks like it has an inflamed cow udder for a "hand" on its tail. Like if you were to gently squeeze it that it would squirt out bloody milk. Repulsive. The rest of the creature isn't much to look at either.

You hate Relicanth though? :( I think the dude looks pretty cool.

[Lindz]

Quilfish
Swampert, Plusle/Minun, Spinda, Huntail, Gorebyss, Relicanth, Luvdisc

Ya you'd better stop there! Hating on any more ones I like an you're gonna get the boot!

[unownmew]

Very curious responses, to be sure.

I think most UPNers know the legend ...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/talon87/Pokemon/327Spinda.png
SUPWISE! :3

But jests of "Goddamn Spinda -_-;" and "SUPWISE! :3" aside, my least favorite Pokémon are usually the ones that are either super-super ugly (and not in a wicked awesome cool way), so ones like Purugly or Gothitelle, or else the ones that just don't look like a Pokémon (even if, duh-hurr, they are one), so ones like Ledyba or Ludicolo. Yeah, I especially dislike Ludicolo's look: he looks like a Mexican Darkwing Duck that mated with a Russian matryoshka doll or a Fabergé egg.

But a most hated Pokémon? During Gen 4, the award definitely went to Bidoof and later Bibarel. Though Bidoof really became awesome when ChunSoft broke through the fourth wall with him in their sequel to Pokémon Mystery Dungeon and had him basically be the slow-'n'-simple feller with a heart of gold character and lent him a lot of personality that was steeped in the fandom's impression of the retard beaver from D/P playthrus. Was hard not to love PMD Bidoof. Just like it was hard not to like Zazu Chatot in that game, even if he was a bit uptight and prissy at times. Digression. :oops: Most hated Pokémon ... most hated Pokémon ... you know, I really don't know. There've been ones I've disliked over the years but the hatred ebbs and flows.

Though I suppose Spinda shall forever be Talon87's archnememon. :lol:
Hum, I'm unaware of this legend. Care to pass it on?

http://www.serebii.net/pokearth/sprites/pt/476.png
Right, I thought that one looked stupid too. Nospass himself was pushing it..

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/e/e2/568Trubbish.png/200px-568Trubbish.png
Yeah, I really can't get behind a trash bag turning into a pokemon >_>


Oh, and Swanna, I forgot. UGH!!! Swans are supposed to be beautiful, graceful creatures. Swanna looks like a perpetually pissed off, stuck up, woman. I would love to X that pokemon out, and obliterate it from existance.

I also do not find many other pokemon of the 5th generation attractive or appealing at all, in any way shape or form, particularly the dumb-looking genies. Only a very select few are worthy of praise in that lot, which is rather sad, considering they added 300+ in one go, and not even 100 of them are worthy of being called Pokemon.

[Concept]

Gardobar, Magmortar, Stunfisk, a few others that look truly derpy. But the true depth of my hatred is reserved for FUCKING BLAZIKEN.

It looks like a mentally disabled five year old was given aritstic control, and then a team of professionals sat down with the initial designs and deliberately made it as much worse as it was humanly possible to do. Then they decided that wasn't enough, had the lead designers preganant wife take a picture of the products of her morning sickness and merged it with the pre-existing design to make Blazikens face. At this point they felt they had a rough idea of what it should look like, but it still wasn't quite mind-bendingly retarded enough to cause more than a temporary mental breakdown in those who saw it, so they handed it over to the lead digimon designer along with copious amounts of LSD and told him to have at it.

The aforementioned story is obviously not true, because they still wouldn't have come up with something quite so cunt-garglingly spasticated as Blaziken, but it's a rough approximation of what I imagine must be going on behind the scenes. That thing makes me physically sick. Which is a shame because I actually quite like Combusken.

I should possibly un-expletify this post. Apologies.

[Muyotwo]

I should possibly un-expletify this post. Apologies.
cunt-garglingly spasticated
You appear to have missed one, my good chum. Top quality hate though.

I hate Gulpin/Swalot, Trashbag/CartmanTrapperKeepermon, Igglybuff, The genies, Regigigigi and Probopass.

[Weebos]

Gardobar, Magmortar, Stunfisk, a few others that look truly derpy. But the true depth of my hatred is reserved for FUCKING BLAZIKEN.

It looks like a mentally disabled five year old was given aritstic control, and then a team of professionals sat down with the initial designs and deliberately made it as much worse as it was humanly possible to do. Then they decided that wasn't enough, had the lead designers preganant wife take a picture of the products of her morning sickness and merged it with the pre-existing design to make Blazikens face. At this point they felt they had a rough idea of what it should look like, but it still wasn't quite mind-bendingly retarded enough to cause more than a temporary mental breakdown in those who saw it, so they handed it over to the lead digimon designer along with copious amounts of LSD and told him to have at it.

The aforementioned story is obviously not true, because they still wouldn't have come up with something quite so cunt-garglingly spasticated as Blaziken, but it's a rough approximation of what I imagine must be going on behind the scenes. That thing makes me physically sick. Which is a shame because I actually quite like Combusken.

I should possibly un-expletify this post. Apologies.

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee431/icrouzel/Untitled-1-1.jpg


Way to hate on some great pokemon Muyo.

[Muyotwo]

Way to hate on some great pokemon Muyo.

http://images.wikia.com/southpark/images/c/c3/SPTK7.gif
We are Garbodor. We are one.

[Weebos]

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/073/4/e/garbodor__someone_special_by_pettyartist-d3bnxne.png

I actually do want a Garbodor. One of my favorites from gen 5, and that's saying something since its probably my favorite generation. CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THE SPIKY TEETH.

[Jerichi]

>I really like Combusken for one.

I wasn't aware that anyone actually liked Combusken.

[Tyranidos]

I wasn't aware that anyone actually liked Combusken.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQElxopvbTxprcoukvGNqS-V3jYI8dXWky73HMMFCgN2UHSIAHVuw

[Weebos]

>I really like Combusken for one.

I wasn't aware that anyone actually liked Combusken.

I love Combusken actually, more than Blaziken.

[Ethereal]

Combusken's evolution is fairly unfortunate.
The same could be said for Marshtomp, as he's pretty okay.

[Poke_Hunter]

Gardobar, Magmortar, Stunfisk, a few others that look truly derpy. But the true depth of my hatred is reserved for FUCKING BLAZIKEN.

It looks like a mentally disabled five year old was given aritstic control, and then a team of professionals sat down with the initial designs and deliberately made it as much worse as it was humanly possible to do. Then they decided that wasn't enough, had the lead designers preganant wife take a picture of the products of her morning sickness and merged it with the pre-existing design to make Blazikens face. At this point they felt they had a rough idea of what it should look like, but it still wasn't quite mind-bendingly retarded enough to cause more than a temporary mental breakdown in those who saw it, so they handed it over to the lead digimon designer along with copious amounts of LSD and told him to have at it.

The aforementioned story is obviously not true, because they still wouldn't have come up with something quite so cunt-garglingly spasticated as Blaziken, but it's a rough approximation of what I imagine must be going on behind the scenes. That thing makes me physically sick. Which is a shame because I actually quite like Combusken.

I should possibly un-expletify this post. Apologies.

Now, you're welcome to your views, but out of curiosity, what exactly do you hate about the design?

[Tyranidos]

Now, you're welcome to your views, but out of curiosity, what exactly do you hate about the design?

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4210/blazikenpube.png

They should have shaved its pubes.

[Torkoal Stu]

Aw I think Combusken is awesome D:

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/073/4/e/garbodor__someone_special_by_pettyartist-d3bnxne.png

I actually do want a Garbodor. One of my favorites from gen 5, and that's saying something since its probably my favorite generation. CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THE SPIKY TEETH.
Aw this picture made me actually like Garbador D:

I really dislike Sawk and Throh, and many of the pointless legendaries that now seem to exist in every generation...but my truly least favourite Pokémon is probably:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2v2b9c8.png

Just whyyyyy?!

[Weebos]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2v2b9c8.png

Just whyyyyy?!

It's a shame he's so ugly when Snover is a cutie.
http://images.wikia.com/misdreavous525sofficialtppage/images/f/f1/Snover_DW.png

[Talon87]

Snover better looking than Abomasnow? :? Say what now?

The Garbodor thing may be cute, Stu, but don't let it fool you: I can copy and paste that exact same message and put it with art of any other parent/child Pokémon pairing (or, for those that don't evolve, brother and sister) and it'd be the same thing. "It's okay if people don't like us. Nobody has to. But I'm sure one day we'll find someone special -- someone who will like us for who we are. I'd like that more than anything, I think." Just copy and paste that quote above a picture of Purugly (mother) and Glameow (child), the Purugly licking the Glameow's head, the Glameow purring with eyes happily shut. (See sample. (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/talon87/Pokemon/example.jpg) Yes, I realize that's not Glameow :roll:, but it's the best I could find in so little time. Original version here (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=12256199).) The Garbodor fan who made that is just trying to guilt you into liking Garbodor when really, if you deconstruct what he's saying ...

>someone who will like us for who we are
>for who we are
>who we are

You're trash, Garbodor. Literally: you're garbage 'mons. The fanart is saying, "Even trash needs love. :cry: Adopt some trash today." NO! :roll: You flush your poop down the toilet! You don't put a bow and collar on it and name it Poopsiekins! Is it Garbodor's fault it's made of stinky trash? No! But that doesn't mean I have to like it! >_>

[Jerichi]

>You flush your poop down the toilet! You don't put a bow and collar on it and name it Poopsiekins!

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/mr-hankey-the-christmas-poo-picture.jpg

Hidey-ho Talon!

Poop can be your friend too!

[unownmew]

*gags*

I don't like Garbador, it is literally trash.
However, I do find Muk to be relatively cool. Ash's Muk with it's affinity for Professor Oak is pretty amusing. I'd rather Muk got some love then Garbador, actually, I'd rather if it got a stat buff instead of a "viable replacement".

[Poke_Hunter]

I'm staying impartial on this (Don't like/dislike it either way; I've seen that drawing before anyway), but Talon, did it occur to you that it meant 'who we are' on the inside?

[Talon87]

NO WAY! :O

[unownmew]

I'm staying impartial on this (Don't like/dislike it either way; I've seen that drawing before anyway), but Talon, did it occur to you that it meant 'who we are' on the inside?
Wouldn't the inside of a filled trash bag be, trash? ;-)

[Poke_Hunter]

Wouldn't the inside of a filled trash bag be, trash? ;-)

>_<

[Trepie]

Hmm it seems I am alone with my disdain for Volbeat and Illumise. There's nothing good about pokemon with glowing ass holes. I also find it funny that they're gender split(Volbeat= Male, Illumise=Female) when they both look unisex to me. Also to note, their faces just piss me off, they look like something that disney would put in a Fantasia movie.

[big bad birtha]

Wouldn't the inside of a filled trash bag be, trash? ;-)

It can also be a dead body.

Trubbish annoys the piss out of me as well.

[Jerichi]

"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with the Pokémon they love best. I like your style. You understand what's important. Go on—the Champion is waiting."

I think Karen put it best. Strong Pokemon, weak Pokemon, good Pokemon, bad Pokemon. Whatever.

Use what you like. That's what matters.

[Weebos]

http://therisetothetop.com/wp-content/uploads/image_import/2010/04/url3.jpg

[Celebii151]

Jynx
Spiritomb

[pengyzu]

I just don't like the garbage line... Jynx... Dunsparce.... Throh and Sawk... >.>

[unownmew]

I don't like Sawk and Throh either, we already have a humanoid Fighter line, Machop-Machamp.

[NegativeNINE]

I have a general distaste for:

Sandshrew
Natu
Unpopulor Opinon: Treecko+Sceptile
Marshtomp
Zigzagoon
Wingull
Bibarel
Emboar

[Amras.MG]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-HUwy7cXHh2ppovwp2oth_rSqd80Fva7yZ7fXyewG570ju9H6SQ

I hate this thing and its evolutions. Except Dewott. So bad.
Actually, I hate most of the Gen 5 Pokemon.

[blazeVA]

New hates: Joltik and evos. horrible, horrible

[XanderKetsu]

New hates: Joltik and evos. horrible, horrible

Oh c'mon. Just cause we had that confusing conversation with CR & Zubat (let's stay away from that, there's a reason I didn't talk, confusing as hell...) doesn't mean Joltik's bad... Galvantula's a pretty cool guy/gal. He can zap Wailords and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Raptor Jesus]

I just don't like the garbage line... Jynx... Dunsparce.... Throh and Sawk... >.>

HOW DARE YOU INSULT DUNSPARCE!!!!??!!!

*Goes to ModCP to ban*

[blazeVA]

Oh c'mon. Just cause we had that confusing conversation with CR & Zubat (let's stay away from that, there's a reason I didn't talk, confusing as hell...) doesn't mean Joltik's bad... Galvantula's a pretty cool guy/gal. He can zap Wailords and doesn't afraid of anything.

Wow, that conversation has nothing to do with my hate of Joltik. Joltik and Galvantula are pretty ugly Pokemon, though Joltik does have a cute factor. There typing is bad, movepool is bad, and Joltik dies to anything that falls on it that is like, more than 20 pounds. Like I said, Steelix has his way with Joltik.

[Ethereal]

>Bad type
Two weaknesses with four resistances is pretty goddamn good.
Also, screw you Jynx-antis. ;;

[blazeVA]

>Bad type
Two weaknesses with four resistances is pretty goddamn good.
Also, screw you Jynx-antis. ;;

Magcargo says hi!
Also, out of all the human mon, Eletrivire, Magmortar, and Jynx, who oddly did not get an evolution, I hate all of them equally, because while Electabuzz looked good, they all look like crap.

[Talon87]

Wow, that conversation has nothing to do with my hate of Joltik. Joltik and Galvantula are pretty ugly Pokemon, though Joltik does have a cute factor. There typing is bad, movepool is bad, and Joltik dies to anything that falls on it that is like, more than 20 pounds. Like I said, Steelix has his way with Joltik.
Everything you've just said is wrong. Well, I can't speak for why you don't like Joltik, and pitting a Galvantula against a Steelix would certainly be a tough win, but ...
- ugly? One of the best and truest looking Pokemon of Gen 5
- bad typing? Are you kidding? XD 2x weak to fire ... 2x weak to rock ... and that's it. In exchange for these two weaknesses, he bags two of the most interesting elements and pairs them up for interesting coverage against some very important but very different threats.
- bad movepool? Again: are you kidding!? Limited movepool =/= bad movepool. Galvantula has all that it needs in Thunderbolt, Bug Buzz, Energy Ball, and Hidden Power: Ice. If you're not lucky enough to get good stats and HP: Ice legitimately, you've still got a solid electric Pokemon. If you are? You've got the best non-legendary electric there is.

In the transition from Gen 4 to Gen 5, only two slots on my team gave way for Gen 5 creatures one of them is constantly cycled. The other slot? The one whose occupant has secured a permanent spot on the squad? That's right: it's Galvantula's.

Even if we wanted to talk superficial reasons alone for hating, though, I can't believe you hate this line. Joltik is adorable and Galvantula looks awesome.

[blazeVA]

Everything you've just said is wrong. Well, I can't speak for why you don't like Joltik, and pitting a Galvantula against a Steelix would certainly be a tough win, but ...
- ugly? One of the best and truest looking Pokemon of Gen 5
- bad typing? Are you kidding? XD 2x weak to fire ... 2x weak to rock ... and that's it. In exchange for these two weaknesses, he bags two of the most interesting elements and pairs them up for interesting coverage against some very important but very different threats.
- bad movepool? Again: are you kidding!? Limited movepool =/= bad movepool. Galvantula has all that it needs in Thunderbolt, Bug Buzz, Energy Ball, and Hidden Power: Ice. If you're not lucky enough to get good stats and HP: Ice legitimately, you've still got a solid electric Pokemon. If you are? You've got the best non-legendary electric there is.

In the transition from Gen 4 to Gen 5, only two slots on my team gave way for Gen 5 creatures one of them is constantly cycled. The other slot? The one whose occupant has secured a permanent spot on the squad? That's right: it's Galvantula's.

Even if we wanted to talk superficial reasons alone for hating, though, I can't believe you hate this line. Joltik is adorable and Galvantula looks awesome.

Magnezone says hi! Oh, and Magcargo.
I might be slightly biased to less of a competitive standpoint. And more of a ASB standpoint.
Joltik I said has the cute factor, but Galvantula is ugly. Ugly like Gastrodon ugly. I love Accelgor and Escalvier, because they are more better looking, and they Escalvier has one of the best typings. And who says four resistences is good, anyway? Magnezone with Magnet Rise says hi again.

[Tyranidos]

You have some nerve calling Galvantula ugly and then liking Magnezone.

[blazeVA]

You have some nerve calling Galvantula ugly and then liking Magnezone.

> Tdos makes no mention of Magcargo
:O

Also, Magnzone is not ugly, but interesting. Galvantula, ugly, like Gastrodon. Even Shellos looks better than Joltik. Also, the Escavalier and Accelgor are a lot cooler.

[Talon87]

You're crazy. I wrote a lot more, it got too long and metagamey, I saved it to a Notepad file for later editing and subsequent posting, but then TDos posted and I said "Wow. Smart observation. Let's let him handle this."

And you come back with "Nope, Galvantula is still fugly. Magnezone's a'ight."

No. Just ... no. I realize there's no accounting for taste, but ... NO. -_-;

[empoleon dynamite]

> Magnezone says hi! Oh, and Magcargo.

Name your favourite Pokémon then and I bet I can name at least two Pokémon it can't put a hit on. Just because two pretty bad Pokémon counter its stab typings doesn't mean it doesn't have other uses.

[unownmew]

Fun Fun.

I like Joltic and Galvantula as well. They look cool and it's nice to have more spiders on the scene, and it does look more like a true pokemon then many of the other Gen 5 Pokemon. Magnezone I've never liked. It's like, some sort of stupid-looking flying saucer, a terrible downgrade when it comes to magnemite and magneton.

Though, I suppose the Solosis, and Elgyem lines need something to ride around in..

[blazeVA]

> Magnezone says hi! Oh, and Magcargo.

Name your favourite Pokémon then and I bet I can name at least two Pokémon it can't put a hit on. Just because two pretty bad Pokémon counter its stab typings doesn't mean it doesn't have other uses.

Magnezone is pretty bad.

lol wut no? Magnezone is a very, very good Steel trapper, and with C.Specs, a great special attacker. What does Galvantula have against that? A S.Rock weakness, no Sandstorm immunity, and, with Magnet Rise, Magnezone has the most resistences and immunities total out of every Pokemon.

I like how Magnezone looks, though it is a bit of a downgrade to Magneton. Though, I can make a whole bunch of alien invasion jokes with him.

[empoleon dynamite]

Magnezone is okay at what it does (situationally trapping steels) but when it's rediculously slow and half the Pokémon you face have EQ it's clear why it's UU. Magnet Rise isn't going to change that either. Trust me, as UPN's last wifi tourney champion I have a lot of metagame experience.

Galvantula's unique typing of Bug/Electric gives it a powerful offensive STAB combination, and its ability Compoundeyes allows it to abuse a more accurate STAB Thunder with few drawbacks. 108 base Speed and 97 base Special Attack doesn't hurt either. Yeah it's lacking on the defensive side, but most sweepers fall under the same bracket.

[Talon87]

I'm starting to think that he's gotten his ass kicked by so many Galvantula that he's hating just for that reason alone. XD "I'll wub you, Magnezone! :( Nobody else will. ;_;"

Someone draw up fanart of Blaze and a Magnezone sitting under a banana leaf in the pouring rain in the rainforest. Insert that fanart here.

[Holy Emperor]

I fucking love Galvantula. That's why it got a post icon.

[Rangeetsuper]

> Magnezone says hi! Oh, and Magcargo.

Name your favourite Pokémon then and I bet I can name at least two Pokémon it can't put a hit on. Just because two pretty bad Pokémon counter its stab typings doesn't mean it doesn't have other uses.

Clefable.

[XanderKetsu]

Magnezone is pretty bad.

lol wut no? Magnezone is a very, very good Steel trapper, and with C.Specs, a great special attacker. What does Galvantula have against that? A S.Rock weakness, no Sandstorm immunity, and, with Magnet Rise, Magnezone has the most resistences and immunities total out of every Pokemon.

I like how Magnezone looks, though it is a bit of a downgrade to Magneton. Though, I can make a whole bunch of alien invasion jokes with him.

I had to nickname mine Zone 51. Also, I don't mind either. Magnezone gives the magnet line another spiffy evolution, and Galvantula has a nice type combo. Meh, I like'em both.

> Magnezone says hi! Oh, and Magcargo.

Name your favourite Pokémon then and I bet I can name at least two Pokémon it can't put a hit on. Just because two pretty bad Pokémon counter its stab typings doesn't mean it doesn't have other uses.

Typhlosion.

[Talon87]

Typhlosion:
Swampert (shuts down fire or electric offensive, shrugs off Focus Blast)
Kingdra (lol)

Clefable:
Stanley
No Guard Machamp

[Raptor Jesus]

The point of Emp's post was to point out that EVERY POKEMON has at least two Pokemon who can't deal with it. It was to prove that Galvantula shouldn't be judged just simply because it has two counters. Especially since one is Magcargo, the least usable Pokemon in competitive battling and questionably useless in the PASBL.

[Rangeetsuper]

Typhlosion:
Swampert (shuts down fire or electric offensive, shrugs off Focus Blast)
Kingdra (lol)

Clefable:
Stanley
No Guard Machamp

Does No Guard go through protect again? I forgot. Also, WTF is a Stanley?

[Talon87]

Having won a Challenge Cup with Magcargo, I'mma actually go out on a limb here and say that he isn't THE most useless Pokemon for competitive battling that there is. You've got your Magikarps, your Weedles, your ... ;-)

I think we all got emp's point, btw, Loki. :roll:

[Ethereal]

>likes Accelgor and Escavalier
I'm surprised nobody picked up on him liking the fugliest bugs ever. Dustox is leagues higher on the visual scale compared to these two.

[Raptor Jesus]

I think we all got emp's point, btw, Loki. :roll:

And yet everyone took it as a challenge and named their favorite Pokemon.

Also, you clearly have never known of Morgoth's Weedle, Metapod, and Magikarp. Although that's PASBL territory only.

Escavalier looks fine as a knight-esque Pokemon. Accelgor is extremely questionable in appearance.

[Rangeetsuper]

I wanted to see if there were, in fact, 2 complete counters to Clefable xD

[XanderKetsu]

> Magnezone says hi! Oh, and Magcargo.

Name your favourite Pokémon then and I bet I can name at least two Pokémon it can't put a hit on. Just because two pretty bad Pokémon counter its stab typings doesn't mean it doesn't have other uses.

Typhlosion:
Swampert (shuts down fire or electric offensive, shrugs off Focus Blast)
Kingdra (lol)

Clefable:
Stanley
No Guard Machamp

For Swampert, if one could get in a good Solar Beam, only if it the first move was Solar Beam, but that's pretty much it. Kingdra, That's pretty much everyone who doesn't learn a dragon move. -.-"

[blazeVA]

For Swampert, if one could get in a good Solar Beam, only if it the first move was Solar Beam, but that's pretty much it. Kingdra, That's pretty much everyone who doesn't learn a dragon move. -.-"

Or who's name is not Ferrothorn or Empoleon. :P

[empoleon dynamite]

Clefable.Bulky fighting types like Hariyama and Hitmontop can take a SE hit from Clefable (not that people run Psychic) whilst
it usually can't take one back.

[blazeVA]

Bulky fighting types like Hariyama and Hitmontop can take a SE hit from Clefable (not that people run Psychic) whilst
it usually can't take one back.

If not, Dusknoir works pretty good, or Eviolite Dusclops. Basically anything with a good amount of bulk can take a few hits from Clefable and respond with a few good ones.

[XanderKetsu]

But going back to the topic of least favorite pokemon, I always thought the Vanilite a stupid idea. Really? Ice cream?

[blazeVA]

But going back to the topic of least favorite pokemon, I always thought the Vanilite a stupid idea. Really? Ice cream?

PERMABAN UPON SOUL!!!!!!! That is the best line ever, as Stu will back me up on.

[NegativeNINE]

But going back to the topic of least favorite pokemon, I always thought the Vanilite a stupid idea. Really? Ice cream?

See, I hated most of the Vanilite line (except for vanilite himself; he has potential and is adorbs.), and then it just went full circle until I appreciated the derp.

edit: i'm actually pretty sure that happened to a few people.

[Talon87]

PERMABAN UPON SOUL!!!!!!! That is the best line ever, as Stu will back me up on.
Ban? You wanna talk ban? I SAY WE BAN YOU NOW, TROLL! ;-) =P

The vanilla ice cream cone is NOT EVEN RECOGNIZED by the Church of Talon as an official Pokémon. It is so bad, SO retarded in concept and design, SO offensive to the memory of what made Pokemon so great in the late 1990s, that to say it's one of the best Pokemon ever just proves that YOU ARE THE ANTI-CHRIST-KETCHUM!

... you know, I'm starting to think this is an alt of Blast's and he's just having fun toying with me. The words coming out of your mouth are just ri-goddamn-diculous.

Xander, I've no idea why you've decided to add "Butt" to the end of your name but I'll definitely back you up on this one.

[Tyranidos]

He's not Blast :x

[Raptor Jesus]

If he casts Vile Hex on you, we will know for sure.

[Holy Emperor]

The vanilla line looks exceptionally lame. I'd offer leeway if it were useful at least but.. ung. It's no dunsparce, that's for sure.

[Concept]

Magnezone says hi! Oh, and Magcargo.
I might be slightly biased to less of a competitive standpoint. And more of a ASB standpoint.
Joltik I said has the cute factor, but Galvantula is ugly. Ugly like Gastrodon ugly. I love Accelgor and Escalvier, because they are more better looking, and they Escalvier has one of the best typings. And who says four resistences is good, anyway? Magnezone with Magnet Rise says hi again.

Galvantula is still pretty badass ASBwise.

>likes Accelgor and Escavalier
I'm surprised nobody picked up on him liking the fugliest bugs ever. Dustox is leagues higher on the visual scale compared to these two.

I dunno I think these two are a'ite.

The ice cream line, much like the garbage line, makes me despair a little bit.

ri-goddamn-diculous.[/i]

Nah, Blasts actually pretty good at ASB. Blaze is obviously an actual new guy rather than fake alt new guy.

[unownmew]

But going back to the topic of least favorite pokemon, I always thought the Vanilite a stupid idea. Really? Ice cream?
Yeah, I despaired when I saw that pokemon line, along with the garbage line, and the genies, and the un-bug-looking eschivalier.


Also, Foongus Amoongus? Seriously? My dad makes that stupid joke.. Two of the worst names ever for a pokemon.
Unless they change the lore so that it cruelly preys on unsuspecting young trainers, it's pokeball design is, a failed evolution trait..
Though it would be interesting to use it as a surprise when a trainer attempts to pick up a pokeball item.

[Tyranidos]

I also don't like Zebstrika.

[Raptor Jesus]

The sad part about the icecream line is that it was designed by an American...

EDIT: Correction: He's British! America is saved!

[blazeVA]

Another hate coming your way. Jellicent. I like Frillish a lot, but Jellicent is just ugly.

Ash should have gotten a Frillish. He would have ruled the world the world with it.

[Talon87]

Nationality doesn't matter. I care more about the age. A kid? Rage at GameFREAK for allowing a child to dictate canon. Kids already ruin the PTCG with their shitty fanart but who cares? It's the PTCG. But allowing a child to invent new Pokemon? Every child's dream, maybe, but inappropriate because children are dumb. And if it was an adult who designed the ice cream cone, the snow globe head, or The Fugliest Pokemon Ever a.k.a. Security Cone Gothic? Then that adult should be ridiculed, punished, and fired, never to disgrace Pokemon with their shitty design concepts ever again.

[Raptor Jesus]

Sorry, he is a fully grown adult working as a programmer for GameFreaks. Not a child. I know. It's hard to grasp. Look him up on Bulbapedia.

[Concept]

I am appropriately shamed by my fellow Brit.

[empoleon dynamite]

They've always made dumb things like magnets and moles without bodies so I embraced and grew to love the ice cream and trash bag. Plus that guy made up for the ice cream by designing Golurk. I think he designed Mandibuzz as well, which is pretty cool.

[Talon87]

I don't care for any of those. >_> Mandibuzz is the only one that looks like a Pokemon but it looks like an ugly one. Golurk looks like the three-way love child of Sableye, the Michelin Man, and a square coin with engravings. Don't like it. Doesn't help that I've no strong impressions of it from P-O battles. Coulda been nice if he were at least like a Ghost-type Steelix, but as it is, he's the posterchild of 5th Gen UU. And like with pretty much any UU creature, if you don't play UU and if you don't already like him for superficial reasons (in-game Story Mode team member, looks, etc), then you're never gonna like 'im.

[YUKI.N]

Though it would be interesting to use it as a surprise when a trainer attempts to pick up a pokeball item.

Just want to point out first gen already did this with Voltorb. =|

[unownmew]

I also don't like Zebstrika.
That line should not exist either IMO. A Zebra would have made a better Dark, Normal, fire, or psychic type pokemon. White + Black zig-zaggy Lightning Bolts, just look bad. Not to mention the shape looks more like a donkey then a horse, but at least donkeys look adequately nice.

And if it was an adult who designed the ice cream cone, the snow globe head, or The Fugliest Pokemon Ever a.k.a. Security Cone Gothic? Then that adult should be ridiculed, punished, and fired, never to disgrace Pokemon with their shitty design concepts ever again.
I agree whoever thought up the idea for an ice cream pokemon should be ridiculed, punished, and fired, with a tarnished reputation. However, whatever fool of a manager actually "Okeyed" the idea and allowed it to become an actual canon pokemon, should be punished far, far worse.

I don't understand your hate for Gothitelle though. I agree she isn't the most attractive pokemon, and could definitely use some more design tweaking to put her in a class near Gardevoir's. But she isn't quite that terrible IMO, and has a lot of potential for interpretive fan-art.

Which pokemon is the snow globe head though? Glalie? Evil snowballs are better then a fat flaming magma cannon on legs, Electric Zebra, Garbage bags, pompous humanoid-torso genies on clouds, and rocks with hairy mustaches and red top-hats

[Torkoal Stu]

People hate Zebstrika? Wait, what?

Zebstrika is easily one of the best Pokémon designs (at least Gen V-wise). Like this franchise has thrown a lot of bad Pokémon designs our way but Zebstrika is nowhere near one of them. And it shocks me that people can hate it D:

[Milotic111]

Whats with the ice-cream hate people? Everybody loves ice-cream. I don't have any problems with an icecream pokemon, except with the spoon sticking in Vaniluxe, thats just wrong...

Unownmew, you have something against easter island? Those statues are supposed to have said top hats, just no moustache. Which I think is a nice twist. Admittably they should have actual bodies as well, since the actual statues appear to be burried.

[unownmew]

Just want to point out first gen already did this with Voltorb. =|
Good point! I forgot about that, and finding Voltorb around in the Rocket's hideout in Silver Version was pretty cool.

But at least Voltorb had a good reason for looking like a pokeball though: an unknown inorganic pokemon. Not much is know about them, and no one knows why it looks like a pokeball.

Where possible theories could be concocted like: it's a pokeball that came alive through electricity.
And it has a cool name.


Foongus Amoongus, have the stupidest names I've ever heard. (Already got sick of my dad making stupid fungus jokes with that phrase, years ago), and it has no real backstory or possible explanation for it's FAIL evolutionary traits available in the pokedex.
No wild pokemon in it's right mind would bother approaching a dropped pokeball, and pokeballs (being metal/plastic), won't magically somehow turn into a fungus like one could believe they could turn into a Voltorb by being exposed to electricity.
Besides, Fungi don't prey, they decompose already dead stuff.

make the Pokedex lore say:
it preys on unsuspecting trainers by pretending to be a lost item, stuns them with spore powders and then devours them/turns them into a host for incubating it's spores.
or
it is a strange fungus which decays lost items/pokeballs despite them having no organic materials. Where a dropped item is left and unfound for a long time, a Foongus appears, to decompose it back to the natural enviroment.

and then we can talk about it being a possible canon pokemon.

[Talon87]

Snow Globe Head = Snow Cone Head = Snowball Head = Peppermint Patty otter with baby bib for a belly = Oshawott. I love the one on Ash's team and he's single-handedly made me warm up to the line, but a terrible design remains terrible no matter how much we try to condition ourselves to like it. He looks like a Sanrio (makers of Hello Kitty) Mr. Potato Head, ffs.

Gothitelle is HIDEOUS. Oedipal gouging out of the eyes hideous.

[unownmew]

People hate Zebstrika? Wait, what?

Zebstrika is easily one of the best Pokémon designs (at least Gen V-wise). Like this franchise has thrown a lot of bad Pokémon designs our way but Zebstrika is nowhere near one of them. And it shocks me that people can hate it D:
I can't stand those black and white Zig-zaggy lightning bolts. If they had gone with a toned down stripe-set, or did something else entirely design-wise so it's only "vaguely" like a zebra, just like electabuzz is only vaguely like a tiger, then I wouldn't mind it so much. I dislike the typing a bit, because I think they're tossing electric on too many pokemon where it doesn't really fit, and it's starting to get overkill, where the base animal could be much better suited for a different type.
Electric squirrel, electric flying squirrel, electric bunnies (plusle and minun), electric mouse-lion-thing (Luxray), electric lion-thing (Manectric), etc.

Whats with the ice-cream hate people? Everybody loves ice-cream. I don't have any problems with an icecream pokemon, except with the spoon sticking in Vaniluxe, thats just wrong...

Don't forget the straw..

I don't hate Ice cream, I hate pokemon that look like food. What other pokemon look like a type of food? It's unnatural, not to mention it doesn't fit ancient pokemon lore (when ice cream could never have existed).
It's called the icicle pokemon, so, shouldn't it look more like an icicle, then having a food theme? If it was just a plain icicle, with maybe a better name, I wouldn't mind so much.

I just want to hope this isn't a sign of things to come. We have animals, plants, ghosts, and inanimate objects. Do we really need food pokemon? What's next? A Taco Pokemon? Or maybe it's a pancake. What if it's a beef stroganof or a cheesy ravioli?!
A riceball pokemon though.. I could maybe get behind that.


If they're so out of ideas that that have to resort to food items for concepts... they should maybe hire some new concept artists, and start thinking long and hard about their ideas and focusing on quality instead of tossing out whatever ones they can think of to make it to +100 more pokemon for the next game deadline.

I wouldn't mind one bit if they stopped adding 100s more pokemon each generation, and focused more on a compelling storyline and lots more things to do instead of it.

Based on the original premise of pokemon, pokemon should have been discovered only a few at a time, not with a whole new huge region full of them and people living together there for ages and we just now found them.


Unownmew, you have something against easter island? Those statues are supposed to have said top hats, just no moustache. Which I think is a nice twist. Admittably they should have actual bodies as well, since the actual statues appear to be burried.
Nothing against it at all. In fact, I don't mind the top hat so much, I was just using it as an identifier. But, I really do not like the mustache, and the bulk nosepass puts on when it eloves. Nosepass was, kinda dumb, but fine, IMO.


Personally, I think they should not add evolutions after the fact, unless the concept is very, very, very well thought out, along with the method of evolution being simple and reusable. Simply adding items and locations and junk to evolve previously unevolveable pokemon is lame except in certain circumstances where it makes sense. (For example: Leafeon should have evolved with the Leaf stone instead of at mossy rock. And Gallade and Gardevoir should have had different lines from ralts restricted by gender, A male Gardevoir should not have ever existed. While giving a curious steel item and trading, makes sense to evolve some pokemon into a steel type. And they should increase that number instead of keeping it only for the original two (onix and scyther))

[Tyranidos]

People hate Zebstrika? Wait, what?

Zebstrika is easily one of the best Pokémon designs (at least Gen V-wise). Like this franchise has thrown a lot of bad Pokémon designs our way but Zebstrika is nowhere near one of them. And it shocks me that people can hate it D:

The Zebra part is cool, but I hate it because of Pokebowl. Same reason why Jeri doesn't like Starly (or at least he used to not like it).

[unownmew]

Snow Globe Head = Snow Cone Head = Snowball Head = Peppermint Patty otter with baby bib for a belly = Oshawott. I love the one on Ash's team and he's single-handedly made me warm up to the line, but a terrible design remains terrible no matter how much we try to condition ourselves to like it. He looks like a Sanrio (makers of Hello Kitty) Mr. Potato Head, ffs.

Gothitelle is HIDEOUS. Oedipal gouging out of the eyes hideous.
Oh, Oshawott. Yeah, that baby otter isn't very cute, but it's evolution isn't too bad. I don't understand it's final evolution though, it doesn't look very otterish, and what's with it turning it's armor into a sword to wave around in one hand while standing on 3 legs? :?
I agree, bad design remains bad regardless of how much conditioning one gets.

I prefer the river-otter Buizel, but even that one had to take some getting used to.


Ehh, I don't find her half as hideous as some of the other ones I've mentioned previously in the thread. She has great potential in the "vagueity" of fan-art. At certain angles she looks really decent, but other angles, in her canon image, show off a bunch of flaws that make her unappealing.
If she had been given same type of grace as Gardevoir, I think she could have really come off as another great pokemon. Unfortunately, my bet is that she was designed by a wannabe concept artist trying to pull off a Gardevoir but hadn't the slightest clue how.

I wish I could take over GameFreak and do some redesignings, and then distribute a revised pokemon list and make the redesigns canon. As well as making the pokemon have much more "life" and connection with each other, and the lore.
Instead of redesigning lore, and adding new legendaries each generation, why can't they expound upon the original lore, and make everything interconnected and mystical? With a couple good independent side-stories.

[Talon87]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/talon87/Pokemon/only_one_reason_gothitelle_looks_hideous.png

[Ethereal]

Hey screw you Talon I like Gothitelle.
Some 'mon I've grown to hate:
Rotom W
Gliscor
Tyranitar
Excadrill
Scizor (quite a while now)
Skarmory

Skarmory and Gliscor were cool peeps before I explored into the Gen v OU, but with every tool out there running a sandstorm team having at least three of these six 'mon, they've been bastardized to me.

[Tyranidos]

I had a Sandstorm team before it was cool to have one[/hipster].

[Talon87]

Hey screw you Talon I like Gothitelle.
Please leave my fandom. :D

[unownmew]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/talon87/Pokemon/only_one_reason_gothitelle_looks_hideous.png
Ok, the mouth could have been designed better, but she's certainly not hideous as you put it.

Overall, I like Gothitelle. 8)
Even if she leads me off a cliff with her hypnotic powers..

[blazeVA]

Ok, the mouth could have been designed better, but she's certainly not hideous as you put it.

Overall, I like Gothitelle. 8)
Even if she leads me off a cliff with her hypnotic powers..

I liked Gothitelle a lot too. But, after time, my hangover passed.

[unownmew]

Ha. Good thing I don't drink. ;)

My Gardevoir will protect me from Gothitelle's mind powers. And then she'll find she doesn't need them to be accepted.

[Tyranidos]

I also don't like Vullaby because I played Black and it was fucking everywhere.

I also wanted Braviary and found out that it's a White exclusive after I started playing D:

[CyberBlastoise]

Snover better looking than Abomasnow? :? Say what now?

The Garbodor thing may be cute, Stu, but don't let it fool you: I can copy and paste that exact same message and put it with art of any other parent/child Pokémon pairing (or, for those that don't evolve, brother and sister) and it'd be the same thing. "It's okay if people don't like us. Nobody has to. But I'm sure one day we'll find someone special -- someone who will like us for who we are. I'd like that more than anything, I think." Just copy and paste that quote above a picture of Purugly (mother) and Glameow (child), the Purugly licking the Glameow's head, the Glameow purring with eyes happily shut. (See sample. (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/talon87/Pokemon/example.jpg) Yes, I realize that's not Glameow :roll:, but it's the best I could find in so little time. Original version here (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=12256199).) The Garbodor fan who made that is just trying to guilt you into liking Garbodor when really, if you deconstruct what he's saying ...

>someone who will like us for who we are
>for who we are
>who we are

You're trash, Garbodor. Literally: you're garbage 'mons. The fanart is saying, "Even trash needs love. :cry: Adopt some trash today." NO! :roll: You flush your poop down the toilet! You don't put a bow and collar on it and name it Poopsiekins! Is it Garbodor's fault it's made of stinky trash? No! But that doesn't mean I have to like it! >_>

HEY! I actually work with Trash, and the thing I hate about it is that people drench their bags in chlorine. You ever have to sit in a truck that smells like chlorine because you have it all over your gloves? Not a pleasant ride believe me. And I actually liked Trubbish when I first saw it, not so much Garbador at first...but I grew to love it.

Pokemon that I hate...hmm...

Well, I can't say much for Magikarp, I hate it, same goes for Blaziken and Prinplup. But I have to say that the number one pokemon in my hate list is...

SCRAFTY!!!!

The reason why I hate it mostly is because of its appearance. An orange lizard? I'll accept. And orange lizard with a mohawk, drooping pants that it keeps pulling up and a face that makes you wonder if it came from a mental institute? NO! That thing is just plain ugly, no two ways about it.

But I digress.....

[Talon87]

the thing I hate about it is that people drench their bags in chlorine.
I have never heard of this before. Who sterilizes their trash? Who drenches trash bags in chlorine? :? Industry, maybe. Hospitals, maybe. But unless you're collecting from either of those two ...

Chlorine is a very strong odorant; and a little bleach can go a long way. Perhaps working with trash, assuming you work with it not on the pickup route but at the processing facility, you smell chlorine because of trace amounts of bleach from used bleach bottles? That's the only thing I can think of.

But I have never, ever heard of people "drenching their bags in chlorine." O_o

[CyberBlastoise]

I have never heard of this before. Who sterilizes their trash? Who drenches trash bags in chlorine? :? Industry, maybe. Hospitals, maybe. But unless you're collecting from either of those two ...

Chlorine is a very strong odorant; and a little bleach can go a long way. Perhaps working with trash, assuming you work with it not on the pickup route but at the processing facility, you smell chlorine because of trace amounts of bleach from used bleach bottles? That's the only thing I can think of.

But I have never, ever heard of people "drenching their bags in chlorine." O_o

We pick up out in the woods...you know where there's more wild animals out there to get into the garbage than in the city. Where bears and stuff run free to get themselves a good meal? Yeah...they smell the food inside a lot of the garbage and attack it. And instead of putting the chlorine in the bags and on the food, people decide that it's a good idea to poor it on the outside of said bags. It works, but it smells. Not too many people do it, but the ones that do are on the route that I pick up...mostly where the culprits are the first bags I have to pick up. yeah...

EDIT: Oophs, I meant to put Chlorox not Chlorine...but it's pretty much the same difference.

[deoxys]

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/192/5/f/OBEY_MINEZUMI__DESTROY_BIDOOF_by_Sklavenbrause.png

[Talon87]

We pick up out in the woods...you know where there's more wild animals out there to get into the garbage than in the city. Where bears and stuff run free to get themselves a good meal? Yeah...they smell the food inside a lot of the garbage and attack it. And instead of putting the chlorine in the bags and on the food, people decide that it's a good idea to poor it on the outside of said bags. It works, but it smells. Not too many people do it, but the ones that do are on the route that I pick up...mostly where the culprits are the first bags I have to pick up. yeah...

EDIT: Oophs, I meant to put Chlorox not Chlorine...but it's pretty much the same difference.
Interesting! I never knew this. I have only ever lived in suburbia or in the city, never out in the woods, so this is the first I've heard of people using chlorine as a deterrent against wild animals foraging through their trash. Most people I know who have to worry about racoons, be it in the MidWest or Florida or wherever, have used bungee cords that they tie around their trash bins' lids. The cords are too powerful for the racoons to manipulate off but easy enough for humans.

{Minezumi picture}
Reminds me of the comic "Who's watching the watchman?" (http://www.rarecandytreatment.com/comics/1197860/whos-watching-the-watchman/) from Rare Candy Treatment. :lol:

[deoxys]

I remember that comic. What a good one, too.

As for other Pokemon... Bidoof and Stunfisk could be written out of Pokemon history and I probably wouldn't even care. Bibarel, no. I'd say yes, but it has it's purpose. As an HM whore.

[Talon87]

It's funny how they have a way of making me okay with Pokémon I've previously hated. The anime made me accept Oshawott via Ash's Oshawott because he's simply got the best personality of any Pokemon in the program since Ash's Chikorita back in 2000. The video games made me accept Bidoof via ChunSoft's heartfelt appeal to the masses in PMD2 where they basically made Bidoof out to be the buffoon of the squad (how befitting) but gave him this epic heart of gold and made him the kind of character who, even if he's a total loser, is giving things his all moreso than any other Pokemon on the team. You can't help but to love the guy by the end of the primary Story Mode. Do I still hate Bidoof jumping out everywhere in the 4th gen main games' grassy patches? Yes. Do I hate the creature himself though? I just can't. PMD2 made Bidoof awesome. :( lol

But I doubt they could ever make me accept Gothitelle. :lol:

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Hey leave Stunfisk alone ;;

[deoxys]

It's funny how they have a way of making me okay with Pokémon I've previously hated. The anime made me accept Oshawott via Ash's Oshawott because he's simply got the best personality of any Pokemon in the program since Ash's Chikorita back in 2000. The video games made me accept Bidoof via ChunSoft's heartfelt appeal to the masses in PMD2 where they basically made Bidoof out to be the buffoon of the squad (how befitting) but gave him this epic heart of gold and made him the kind of character who, even if he's a total loser, is giving things his all moreso than any other Pokemon on the team. You can't help but to love the guy by the end of the primary Story Mode. Do I still hate Bidoof jumping out everywhere in the 4th gen main games' grassy patches? Yes. Do I hate the creature himself though? I just can't. PMD2 made Bidoof awesome. :( lol

But I doubt they could ever make me accept Gothitelle. :lol:

alright, I'll give that one to you. The Bidoof in PMD was the exception. In fact, he was one of the best characters in terms of growth and development and it was fantastic. I forgot about that, honestly. Thanks for the memory refresher.

Also, I don't care much for gothitelle either. I don't hate it, but.... Eh.

>>Leave Stunfisk alone!

...No.

[Tyranidos]

>Leave Stunfisk alone

You're lucky he even battles for you bastards ;;

[deoxys]

>Leave Stunfisk alone

You're lucky he even battles for you bastards ;;

lol nope

I wouldn't let such a travesty

[Talon87]

I remember when we saw pictures of Stunfisk and Accelgor and said, "LOL PATHETIC FAKES ARE PATHETIC." :)

...

...

Oh wait. :|

Stunfisk seriously looks like a crappy doodle come up with by an 8-year old who himself or herself realizes the creation is atrocious but who just couldn't come up with better because, duh, he or she is only 8 years old and can't design a good Pokémon for shit. The fact that it is actually real is reason enough to accept that GameFreak is trolling the fandom and that so long as you continue to buy these games like the happy crack addicts you are that they can get away with murder.

I have seen better 3rd place Create-Your-Own-Pokémon entries in Fizzy Bubbles' annual contest than Stunfisk. He is abysmal. He makes Zora weep that Pinaclsaur can't even win a fan competition five years running, much less become an authentic Pokémon, while Stunfisk not only can become an authentic Pokémon but has become an authentic Pokémon.

[YUKI.N]

He makes Zora weep that Pinaclsaur can't even win a fan competition five years running

inb4 vote Pinaclsaur

[Shuckle]

Skuntank...ew...

Oh, and Samurott was just bad design. He's got two swords and no arms. Not only that, but the swords are on his arms!

Seriously. It's like, he draws a sword and promptly hobbles on three legs over to his target so he can hit them with it. Forget about trying to use two of them! Oshawott...meh. Dewott...yay! Samurott...WTF?

ZUBAT. Anyone who has ever played Gold, Silver, or Crystal will know what I mean...>.>

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Oh, and Samurott was just bad design. He's got two swords and no arms. Not only that, but the swords are on his arms!

Seriously. It's like, he draws a sword and promptly hobbles on three legs over to his target so he can hit them with it. Forget about trying to use two of them! Oshawott...meh. Dewott...yay! Samurott...WTF?

Except that Samurott can stand on its hind legs and use its swords.

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/091/a/6/samurott_by_cherubimonx-d3cw1gx.png

I know this isn't immediately apparant, but Word of God says so.

I like Samurott myself. Not as much as Dewott though.

[Talon87]

LOL, seeing your new avatar, Yuki, made me go and do a little digging around in FB and PASBL and I was shocked to discover a veritable army of members sporting Pinaclsaur avatars. Hanatori, Daisy, Muyo, Torkoal Stu, empoleon dynamite, the list goes on. Could this be the Year of Pinaclsaur? :lol: That'd be kinda sad, in its own way: you wouldn't have the perennial joke of "PITY ME!" Pinaclsaur anymore.

Dave, that's exactly how I always imagined Samurott must look when he's wielding his swords, given what his Pokédex entry says about him. Have been looking forward to seeing in the show, but I'll settle for that (fan?)art you just submitted. (I speculate fan because look at the spot where his legs meet his groin. It looks like a bad PhotoShop job. Really fuzzy. :|)

This is why I wanted him to be Water/Fighting though. Pretty dumb that we got our third Fire/Fighting starter and that we got our third pure Water starter. Water/Fighting isn't without its challenges, but it would have been a fun type combination to roll with. Particularly in the Gen-4-forward world of the Physical/Special split where we can now have a physical water Pokémon (which I'd think a sword-wielder would be) with both physical Water and physical Fighting STABs to rely upon.

To be honest, Pokémon like Samurott are why it'd be an interesting experiment (though would we later regret it? :lol:) to give Pokémon STAB on moves that aren't their body's core element. That way you could have Samurott be a pure Water-type Pokemon for the purposes of taking damage but for the purposes of dealing damage he'd have Steel STAB or Rock STAB (depending on whether you want the swords to count as mineral shells [rock] or metal blades [Steel]). But I digress.

Samurott, not crazy about his design, but he's cool enough in my book. His Pokédex entry is probably the one which I like the most out of any of the Unova starters' fully-evolved forms.

[YUKI.N]

you wouldn't have the perennial joke of "PITY ME!"

http://www.upnetwork.net/fb/sprites/pn333.gif Mr. Tweetyflumps (http://forums.upnetwork.net/showpost.php?p=74415&postcount=11) says "BUY ME? T-T"

*wonders why she's acting as Zora's spokesperson*

Btw you can see the artist's signature on the pic above Samurott's neck. ^^;

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Yeah it's fanart. I only posted it because the only 'official' artwork I can find of Samurott standing up is hard to make out:

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0a/Unova_starters_evolution_artwork.png

Couldn't make it out at first but you can see him holding a sword in his right hand.

Unova starters should have been Grass/Dragon, Fire/Ground and Water/Fighting. At least, that's what most of the competetive community I was a part of when they were revealed had them pegged as.

[Jerichi]

>Samurott standing

There are official comics that were included in a Japanese strategy guide that show Samurott doing that, so yeah, it's official.

[deoxys]

And just like that, Samurott becomes one of my favorite Pokemon.

[Shuckle]

Except that Samurott can stand on its hind legs and use its swords.

>.< Still can't post links, or even images.I know this isn't immediately apparant, but Word of God says so.

I like Samurott myself. Not as much as Dewott though....
>.>

I am so very, very glad that I evolved my Dewott anyway.

[CyberBlastoise]

While that Samurott does look bada**, I still prefer Emboar even if it is another FireFighter (odd that I often like the Water-type Starters.)

[deoxys]

While that Samurott does look bada**, I still prefer Emboar even if it is another FireFighter (odd that I often like the Water-type Starters.)

I think you misspelled badass

Also I dislike Emboar. And whatever the second evolved form of Tepig is. Tepig's evolutions were honestly a huge letdown for me. As was Smugleaf's.

[Talon87]

Not really the right topic for this, but since I'd probably be hissed and spat at for commenting on this in a forum I haven't posted in in over three years and since I brought it up in this thread anyway ...

... I've noticed a surprising lack of votes for Pinaclsaur. :lol:

What with the ad campaign this go around and the solidarity behind the critter that you all showed with your avatars, I was most certain he was finally going to win and that with his win would go one of the board's longest running gags. So I'm part-sad for Zora, part-really happy for the rest of the board that the gag continues and "PITY ME!" Pinaclsaur's days aren't over yet. :lol:

[deoxys]

What with the ad campaign this go around and the solidarity behind the critter that you all showed with your avatars, I was most certain he was finally going to win and that with his win would go one of the board's longest running gags.

I kind of feel like the 'ad campaign' so to speak is more or less (like you said) a running gag/meme and everyone is in on it and it was never meant to be taken seriously at all, similar to the Sims meme that was going on a few weeks back and all of the other short lived UPN memes before it.

Apologies if I'm mistaken, Hana/Zora!

[Shuckle]

http://chzpokememes.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/pokmon-remember-when-pokmon-designs-were-original.jpg

http://chzpokememes.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/pokmon-dont-mess-with-the-caterpie.gif

[Missingno. Master]

Least favorite? Hmm. Well, Seismitoad is kinda ugly, but other than that, I don't really have a least favorite.

[Kindrindra]

I'm not just coming in here to say I love Stunfisk and that it's a really cool flounder-thingy and probably the best pokemon to use in practical jokes ever. It's, like, a living electric mousetrap. And it doesn't even get hurt from people standing on it. <3333

Also, I'm totally not here for my obligatory 'Chandelure draws inspiration from a Will-of-the-Wisp, and the fact that it is a Chandelier is because GameFreak decided that a ghostly light that lures people to their death can be combined with a light fixture often found in stereotypical haunted houses'.


No, really. I'm totally here to say I quite dislike Granbull. Not because I overly like Snubull or anything, but because, well, it's a purple bulldog on it's hindlegs. I would be totally okay with the bulldog on hindlegs thing if it was done well, but IT'S ONLY ONE COLOUR. Not even Monochromatic. Like, ONE SHADE OF ONE COLOUR. UGH.

[Kindrindra]

I'm not just coming in here to say I love Stunfisk and that it's a really cool flounder-thingy and probably the best pokemon to use in practical jokes ever. It's, like, a living electric mousetrap. And it doesn't even get hurt from people standing on it. <3333

Also, I'm totally not here for my obligatory 'Chandelure draws inspiration from a Will-of-the-Wisp, and the fact that it is a Chandelier is because GameFreak decided that a ghostly light that lures people to their death can be combined with a light fixture often found in stereotypical haunted houses'.


No, really. I'm totally here to say I quite dislike Granbull. Not because I overly like Snubull or anything, but because, well, it's a purple bulldog on it's hindlegs. I would be totally okay with the bulldog on hindlegs thing if it was done well, but IT'S ONLY ONE COLOUR. Not even Monochromatic. Like, ONE SHADE OF ONE COLOUR. UGH.

[Holy Emperor]

http://chzpokememes.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/pokmon-remember-when-pokmon-designs-were-original.jpg

http://chzpokememes.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/pokmon-dont-mess-with-the-caterpie.gif

It's so easy to reverse this and say "ice cream", "garbage", "chandelier", and then type "explosive fake pokeball", "creepy psychic eggs and one of them is broken" etc etc.

[Kindrindra]

>chandelier
>Just explained this

*x2 Facepalm combo!*


Anyway, hoping back to defend a Gen 1 'mon, Voltorb follows the RPG mainstay of a 'Mimic'. You know, you walk up to a treasure chest, try to open it and- Oh, whoops, it's an enemy. Voltorb followed the same idea, and those of us who remember wandering through the Power Plant back in R/B/Y likely know exactly what I'm talking about.

Now, hoping forwards again. Something people should keep in mind is that, as GF said in an interview, they viewed Unova as a 'new start'. Thus, they had no qualms having another go at concepts they had already used back in Gen 1, and trying to improve on them (or just looking at them from a different angle). This explains 'mon such as Munna, Foongus, Timburr, and suchforth.

[Talon87]

Munna - a psychic tapir - Drowzee
Foongus - a Pokéball look-alike - Voltorb
Timburr - a fighter who carries around heavy objects he uses in his fights - ... ?

Are you going for Marowak here with its bone club? I really wouldn't compare the two as you did with the first ones, but w/e.

I love how desperately the kid who made that macro is trying to defend the shitmon that is Vanillite and its evolutions. "It's .... TWO-HEADED! :o And yeah, yeah! It's, uh, it's, uh ... it's SMOKING! And it's FLOATING TOO! :O Can you top that!? Can you top a FLOATING, SMOKING, TWO-HEADED ICE CREAM CONE!? :O" As if absurdity were the name of the game we like to call Success. :roll: "Kid," I wanna tell whoever made this macro, "you can dress a pig up as a woman. You can put a dress on it, and a wig, and lipstick. But it's still going to be a pig. And to be honest with you, it's going to look a hell of a lot stupider than a regular pig would look."

I also love how they take two shitmons from B/W but then lump in with them the amazing Chandelure. As if to say, "Well if you hate these guys then you must hate this one too. And if you like this one, then you gotta love the others as well." Fuck you, no I don't! :lol: hahahaha I can enjoy the Chandelures and the Galvantulas just fine -- and completely separate from the awfulness that is an ice cream cone Pokémon, an eternally-tearful snowflake, or a polar bear with a snotsicle coming out of its nose.

Man, Ice types got fucked this gen. :|

[Kindrindra]

Well, I can understand why they put in Chandelure there- Chandelure actually gets a lot of hate. Remember that not everyone has the same likes and dislikes.

Hey, lookie, example. I find Cubchoo adorable, and Beartic is pretty wicked, if a bit intimidating (Why it didn't get that ability, I still don't know). Of course, that could be my 'Tragically Canadian sensibilities', so w/e.

And Cryogonal is eternally happy with it's '^_^' face, so you have me a little confused there. Unless you thought it's moustache/Ice Chains things were tears, which is a perfectly understandable mistake.

I agree with you about the person heaping pointless adjectives onto Vaniluxe. As amusing as I find the 'Ice Cream Split=Two headed' thing to be, it seems like they were just searching for qualifiers. It's not smoking, for one thing, that's cold air.

[Holy Emperor]

As the ASB Ice Gym Leader I can tell you that this gens Ice types all suck. Even the new legend looks deformed and stupid. Gen 4 did get some amazing ice types though so who knows.

[Talon87]

And Cryogonal is eternally happy with it's '^_^' face, so you have me a little confused there. Unless you thought it's moustache/Ice Chains things were tears, which is a perfectly understandable mistake.
You make it sound like the most obvious interpretation is the single most retarded one. :lol: :roll: LOOK AT THAT FACE! It is crying! That's no smile! That's a huge-ass frown! I mean ... just LOOK!

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/talon87/Pokemon/cryogonal_exhibitA.png

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/talon87/Pokemon/cryogonal_exhibitB.png

If you have evidence that he's smiling, great, I'd love to see it. It will only further prove how fucking retarded the designs are this generation. :lol: Because seriously: how hard do you have to fail to make something that is supposed to look like it's always smiling instead look like it's always crying? :lol:

[CyberBlastoise]

Meh,
"Kid," I wanna tell whoever made this macro, "you can dress a pig up as a woman. You can put a dress on it, and a wig, and lipstick. But it's still going to be a pig. And to be honest with you, it's going to look a hell of a lot stupider than a regular pig would look."


Finally, someone said something about Jynx and its horrid appearance! :P

Though as Kuno said, there are almost no awesome Ice-types. Hell, the only Ice-type that really stands out to me is Lapras. Though what Ice-type 4th gen pokemon is good? Abomasnow? Meh. Glaceon? blech. Mamoswine? *holds back vomit*

All generations had their horrid Pokemon. Gen I had the Magnimite Line, Oddish Line, Caterpie line, etc. While Gen V had the Ice cream pokemon and.....uh....just the Ice Cream Pokemon.

[Talon87]

Mamoswine grows on you if you use him competitively. Hella fun to use. But even if you're only coming at this from a design perspective, Mamoswine is still better than either Piloswine (WTF) or Swinub. I thought Piloswine looked pretty stupid myself (*cue Zora rage*), but Mamoswine's a vast improvement and makes me accepting about that species line overall.

Glaceon is really awesome in terms of design. I don't know why it gets so much flak around these parts. Sadly it has a crappy movepool, but that's neither here nor there. Pretty nice stats -- at least it isn't Gens 1-3 Flareon :lol: :cry: -- and a very charming design make Glaceon one of my top Eeveelutions overall. (Everyone has their own preferences. I'd say that in terms of design alone, it's probably Jolteon >= Glaceon >= Leafeon > Espeon > Flareon > Vaporeon > Umbreon. And I think we all know how that's going to go over with most of you Umbreon-hugging kids. I like Umbreon well enough too. I just ... don't dig those stupid yellow circles. >_> Not a fan of its blood-red eyes either.)

>Oddish line

What. You don't like Vileplume?

OPINION DISMISSED.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of reading the rest of your post. =P

[CyberBlastoise]

Mamoswine grows on you if you use him competitively. Hella fun to use. But even if you're only coming at this from a design perspective, Mamoswine is still better than either Piloswine (WTF) or Swinub. I thought Piloswine looked pretty stupid myself (*cue Zora rage*), but Mamoswine's a vast improvement and makes me accepting about that species line overall.

Glaceon is really awesome in terms of design. I don't know why it gets so much flak around these parts. Sadly it has a crappy movepool, but that's neither here nor there. Pretty nice stats -- at least it isn't Gens 1-3 Flareon :lol: :cry: -- and a very charming design make Glaceon one of my top Eeveelutions overall. (Everyone has their own preferences. I'd say that in terms of design alone, it's probably Jolteon >= Glaceon >= Leafeon > Espeon > Flareon > Vaporeon > Umbreon. And I think we all know how that's going to go over with most of you Umbreon-hugging kids. I like Umbreon well enough too. I just ... don't dig those stupid yellow circles. >_> Not a fan of its blood-red eyes either.)

>Oddish line

What. You don't like Vileplume?

OPINION DISMISSED.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of reading the rest of your post. =P

No, I don't like Vileplume, besides my opinion is more valid than yours, =P

[Talon87]

Oh, well when you put it that way ...

no. :roll:

[Holy Emperor]

Though as Kuno said, there are almost no awesome Ice-types.

Huh? There's a bunch of awesome ice types. I said that the gen5 ice types are all bad. I like almost all the ice types except like... Glaceon and the new ones.

[Copygoo]

>Oddish line

What. You don't like Vileplume?

OPINION DISMISSED.

I can actually agree with Talon for once!

Vileplume is wonderful.

Oh right contributing to conversation.

I uh... only really dislike Alomomola and Basculin. But I'm sure if I used them my opinion of them would rise significantly.

[Ethereal]

Even though I like Tentacruel and Crobat, GSC made me loathe Zubat and Tentacool.

[DaveTheFishGuy]

I uh... only really dislike Alomomola and Basculin. But I'm sure if I used them my opinion of them would rise significantly.

I have to say that I agree with this (hence why neither are on my ASB Gym team). Alomomola is basically Luvdisc and Blissey put in a blender in terms of both looks and moveset, making it a bit of a waste. An Ocean Sunfish could have been much more awesome in Pokémon form.

I liked Basculin when I first saw it, but was left thorougly underwhelmed as soon as the games came out. It's basically Carvanha sans Dark-type and again, could've been much better.

[blazeVA]

Meh,


Finally, someone said something about Jynx and its horrid appearance! :P

Though as Kuno said, there are almost no awesome Ice-types. Hell, the only Ice-type that really stands out to me is Lapras. Though what Ice-type 4th gen pokemon is good? Abomasnow? Meh. Glaceon? blech. Mamoswine? *holds back vomit*

All generations had their horrid Pokemon. Gen I had the Magnimite Line, Oddish Line, Caterpie line, etc. While Gen V had the Ice cream pokemon and.....uh....just the Ice Cream Pokemon.

You don't like the Magnemite line? Or Bellossom? Or Butterfree? AND GLACEON!!!

You sir, are wrong. Take it all back, now.

I can honestly say that I like Vannilite, and its evolutions suck. Cryogonal is cool-looking, as well as Beartic. Kyurem.....needs some work.

Amlofmlollmmola looks like a pink puffy bruise, but Basculin is kick-ass looking. A HELL of a lot better looking the Stunfisk.

[Tyranidos]

A HELL of a lot better looking the Stunfisk.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/71035_315208322881_5041807_n.jpg

Stunfisk? DID YOU SAY STUNFISK?

[DaveTheFishGuy]

Nothing looks better than Stunfisk.

[blazeVA]

Nothing looks better than Stunfisk.

Not even Sharpedo? Or Wailord?

[Kindrindra]

>Oddish line

What. You don't like Vileplume?

OPINION DISMISSED.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of reading the rest of your post. =P

Sigged for win.

Now, back on topic.
Whoops, made a mistake. You're right, they're frowning, not smiling. The main point I was trying to make is that they're not crying.

Obligatory remark about Umbreon's rings making sense when you know what an Umb is go here (It's a yellow circle around the moon, for those who don't know. Sailors say that when you see it, you count how many stars are inside it, and that's how many days until a storm hits).

This whole page can be summed up as 'Everyone has wildly different tastes and opinions'. There would be a lot less flaming if people started putting 'imop' at the end of their posts and realized not everyone shares their views. With that done...

*Brofists Tdos and Dave*

[Talon87]

The problem with justifying a character design -- particularly an older character design like a Gen 2 creature's -- with their English name is that the creators/designers of the Pokémon had NO knowledge nor concern for what this creature was going to be called in English. "Umbreon" is so named for umbr- "shadow," not for umb "obscure European sailor term I doubt anyone at NoA knew or cared about." But its Japanese name of Blackie has nothing to do with either shadows or sailor terminology: it refers, clearly, to the dark which Dark-types are supposedly associated with.

This point is actually very relevant in deconstructing a number of English fanbase misconceptions or misunderstandings. "Why does Wobbuffet always pop out of his Pokéball?" "Because he's saying 'That's right!' and his timing makes it funny." "Why doesn't Waterfall make a waterfall the way Surf makes a tidal wave?" "Because the move is called 'go up a waterfall,' not 'Waterfall'." "Why does Swift always make stars?" "Because its name is 'Speed Star'." So on and so forth. Before making a theory about why some Pokemon or some move is the way that it is, always, always, always consider the original name first.

Not sure why that's sig material, but w/e. ^^; I love Vileplume. With GSC I had my "Bellossum is better" phase but I snapped out of that by Gen 3.

[Kindrindra]

Ah, that's true. Forgot about that. But I still think that GF gave them the circles due to the existance of the Umb- they seem to know quite a few more obscure facts than people give them credit for.

[Tyranidos]

*Brofists Tdos and Dave*

No, no, you've got it all wrong. I HATE Stunfisk. It's probably the only Pokemon I HATE.

[Kindrindra]

No, no, you've got it all wrong. I HATE Stunfisk. It's probably the only Pokemon I HATE.

You still get a brofist for only hating one pokemon.

[Celebii151]

My least favorite Pokemon has to be Bibarel. Its face is so...ugh. Don't really hate any Gen V, except Sigilyph and Swoobat.

[blazeVA]

My least favorite Pokemon has to be Bibarel. Its face is so...ugh. Don't really hate any Gen V, except Sigilyph and Swoobat.

Swoobat was bad, but Sigilyph is pretty cool in my opinion.

A horrible Pokemon: Magmar line. Other than Magby.

[Raptor Jesus]

But Bibarel is a Bibarel! How can you hate it? It's Bibarel!

[Hanatori]

I keep wanting to post in this thread to say that I don't hate any Pokemon, but then realize that feeling raging apathy at worst towards any Pokemon just doesn't make for terribly spirited discussion. tungsten

(PS: I would sorta like Chingling if it didn't seem like a thoroughly unnecessary baby 'mon (someone feel free to prove me wrong on this, because something feels wrong here), I constantly forget about the existence of something called "Dialga" and Reshiram is very mildly overdesigned. Lose a couple feather-spikes, pal.)

[Tyranidos]

I keep wanting to post in this thread to say that I don't hate any Pokemon, but then realize that feeling raging apathy at worst towards any Pokemon just doesn't make for terribly spirited discussion. tungsten

(PS: I would sorta like Chingling if it didn't seem like a thoroughly unnecessary baby 'mon (someone feel free to prove me wrong on this, because something feels wrong here), I constantly forget about the existence of something called "Dialga" and Reshiram is very mildly overdesigned. Lose a couple feather-spikes, pal.)

So you're a fan of Space Penis then?

[Hanatori]

No, but my memecatching tendencies mean I forget about it a bit less often than Dialga. [/seriousanswer]

Talon: 4chanatori. =P
Hana: Well, it's an honest answer.

I seem to have a similar problem with Solrock and Lunatone--I frequently forget the latter exists but happen to like the former.

Zora: Obviously it's because Solrock is the superior Pokemon, and I am a superior trainer of Solrocks.
Hana: When the hell did you get here?

[Kairne]

I must say I quite hate Pikachu. Its design isn't aesthetically pleasing to me, its movepool is not very good, and it has this undeserved fame to the point where it seems everybody loves it.

Otherwise, I don't like Goldeen (but Seaking is nice), I rather dislike Probopass, and Watchog annoys me to high hell. I dislike Gyarados' popularity, but not him in general. Regigigas sucked as a trio master to the Regis who are, in my opinion, fairly epic. I dislike Froslass only in comparison to Glalie, because I love Glalie.

Of course, I actually like the ice cream, Paras, Tangela, and Nosepass, so take my opinion with a line of salt.

[Kindrindra]

I actually used to hate Pikachu too, as it's all non-pokemon players ever talked about.


Then I saw it's Platinum Sprite, played Pokepark, and few other things which made me realize how cute it is.

[Kairne]

I actually used to hate Pikachu too, as it's all non-pokemon players ever talked about.

I now have respect for you

Then I saw it's Platinum Sprite, played Pokepark, and few other things which made me realize how cute it is.

well, easy come, easy go

[Kindrindra]

It was about then when I realized that hating something just because other people hate/like it is stupid and it should be judged on it's own merit.

http://www.profilethai.com/download/original/sakura-pikachu_1280_x_1024.jpg
See what I mean?

[PikaGod]

Despite the fact that I love Serperior, I can't stand Servine. It looks like puberty started to hit it, and then it decided that it had somewhere else to be. It just looks way too awkward and is just eugh.

I also have a slight problem with Purrloin. Something about its head just doesn't sit will with me. Looking at it makes my skin crawl.

Other than that, I really have no qualms about any of the pokemon in the five generations.

[Kindrindra]

Despite the fact that I love Serperior, I can't stand Servine. It looks like puberty started to hit it, and then it decided that it had somewhere else to be. It just looks way too awkward and is just eugh.

I have to admit, you pointing this out made me laugh. :D