Super Smash Bros Brawl

[Sylar]

Official Site Here. (http://www.smashbros.com)

Returning Characters:
Mario (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/mario.html), Link (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/link.html), Kirby (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/kirby.html), Pikachu (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/pikachu.html), Fox McCloud (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/fox.html), Samus Aran (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/samus.html), Zelda (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/zelda.html), Bowser (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/bowser.html), Donkey Kong (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/donkeykong.html), Yoshi (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/yoshi.html), Peach (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/peach.html), Ice Climbers (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/iceclimbers.html)

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Newcomers:
Metaknight (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/metaknight.html), Pit (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/pit.html), Zero Suit Samus (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/zerosuit_samus.html), Wario (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/wario.html), Snake (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/snake.html), Ike (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/ike.html), Pokemon Trainer (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/pokemon_trainer.html), Diddy Kong (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/diddykong.html), Lucas (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/lucas.html), Sonic the Hedgehog (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/sonic.html), King Dedede (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/kingdedede.html)

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Assist Trophies:
Samurai Goro (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist02.html), Dr. Wright (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist03.html), Knuckle Joe (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist04.html), Demon (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist05.html), Andross (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist06.html), Lyn (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist07.html), Mr. Resetti (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist08.html), Excitebike (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist09.html), Little Mac (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist10.html), Gray Fox (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist11.html)

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Pokeball Pokemon:
Groudon (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/mball/mball02.html), Deoxys (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/mball/mball03.html), Munchlax (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/mball/mball04.html), Piplup (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/mball/mball05.html), Meowth (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/mball/mball06.html)

Stages:
Battlefield (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage01.html), Delfino Island (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage02.html), Yoshi's Island (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage03.html), Lylat Cruise (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage04.html), Bridge of Eldin (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage05.html), Smashville (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage06.html), Rumble Falls (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage07.html), Skyworld (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage08.html), Castle Siege (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage09.html), WarioWare (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage10.html), Pokemon Stadium 2 (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage11.html), Battleship Halberd (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage12.html), Shadow Moses Island (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage13.html), New Pork City (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage14.html), PictoChat (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage15.html), The Summit (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage16.html)

[Another Fan]

Dear god Joe. You never played Smash Bros. Oh dear god. Wow. Wow.

Man. I check the site every two days or so, yeah awesome.

This is gonna rock.

Edit: Holy shite, Zelda.

[Sylar]

Woo, updates.

Song Update: Ocarina of Time Medley (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/music/music04.html)

Item Update: Banana Peel (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/item04.html)

Roffle @ Banana peel. xd

[ZoraJolteon]

That song is so awful I had to download some proper OoT music and listen to it to heal my poor ears.

[Talon87]

Listening to the song reminded me of how many video games I would love to see re-written once we achieve a level of graphics mastery which rivals human visual perception of the real world. Shenmue, Xenosaga, Ocarina of Time, and Wind Waker all fit the bill.

Shoot, that reminds me ... I really should rent the new Zelda game for the GameCube, since I have no plans to get a Wii yet and before long the game's gonna go missing from Blockbuster's shelves. :|

[Sylar]

New Update: Naming Characters (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/various02.html)

Got to admit, I thought this was useless at first look, but turns out that once you've chosen your name, you can set the controller type you use, so you don't have to change the settings over and over again.

[Another Fan]

Yeah, I liked the medley. A lot. So, Zora, yeah.

Wow, even I, who does like and care about even the simplest trivial stuff, can't really get excited about that feature.

[Sylar]

Yeah, it's not very exciting in the sense that you'll get the game because of it, but it is good to know you'll save about 2 seconds each time you play! :D

Add that up, and that's like...a minute a year. >>;

[Sylar]

Woo. >>; I got bored and decided to list all the contents of the site in the first post. Well, everything except Character-based posts, since including them would probably take too much space. The links to their posts are in their names. :O

[Sylar]

Yey third post in a row. But I don't care, Brawl rocks. xD Anyway, awesome update today.

Assist Trophies (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist01.html)

Known Assisting Characters (so far):
Hammer Bro.
Nintendog (The big one from the trailer that goes to the screen :O)
Samurai Goro (Captain Falcon's rival from F-Zero)

[ZoraJolteon]

It's like a Pokéball, except, well it basically IS a Pokéball. Why did they have to put in Goroh though? Mrs. Arrow would have been a far better choice.

[Talon87]

If the Nintendog is basically a "nyaa nyaa, you can't see the scree~een, you can't see the scree~een :P :P :P" sort of helper ... I think it's going to quickly become the most hated Assistant. :lol: There's no skill in fighting blindly -- it's just button mashing. Unlike real-world blind martial artists who can still use sound and pressure to fight, in a video game, you're sunk without visuals. I foresee many a hotly-contested ring-out victory coming out of this Nintendog ... and my vote is therefore Nay.

I would be very delighted to see Chikorita and some of the other Pokemon be able to come out of the Assist Trophy, but unfortunately they've already got PokeBalls for that. So I guess what I'll have to settle for is hoping that we see Metroids from the Metroid universe representing. Best. Assistant. Ever. ;p

Joe: MY EYES! MY EYES!
Metroid: *SHRIEEEEEK*
Joe: AHHHHHHHHHHHH!
*Joe falls off the edge and is ringed out*
Talon: Uin. 8) *does the V for victory pose*

[Sylar]

*uses SUPER GET BACK TO THE ARENA move and pwns Talon*

woo. xd

I would've rather saw that other guy from F-Zero, whatsisname. Black Bull or something. xD He was cool. :O

[ZoraJolteon]

I never had any major problems with Togepi, and there the screen turned totally black.

Seconded the demand for a Metroid. Also, Pikmin. Thousands of them!

[Sylar]

Seconded the demand for a Metroid. Also, Pikmin. Thousands of them!

Pssh, you know a legion of Toads would be better than Pikmin. xd

[ZoraJolteon]

Toad can't be a capsule assist, he's already one of Peach's attacks.

[Talon87]

I wish that one of Bowser's attacks would be to turn members of the Mushroom Kingdom into a pile of bricks for 5 seconds. It'd be a cool complex combo with sweet payoff if you pull it off against a foe using Mario/Luigi/Peach and they're standing near the edge of the ring.

Playing Wind Waker has reminded me that I think it'd be pretty cool if Link (even if he is the much-superior OoT/TP Link) was able to summon the King of Red Lions to ferry him back to "shore" if he got ringed out. Like, if you're in the air and can flawlessly execute this 20-button combo, it'll bring you back to the ring guaranteed (but can only be used once per round).

[Raptor Jesus]

Is Peach even coming back? Cuz if they don't bring back Peach or Marth, I'LL HAVE NO ONE TO USE!! >>;;;

[Sylar]

Toad can't be a capsule assist, he's already one of Peach's attacks.

Not the famous Toad from Mario Party. :P The weird generic ones from Paper Mario. ^^

But last night, I was thinking, and a really cool assist character could be Sonic. xD That way he'd be in the game, but wouldn't be playable, and all the fanboys would wet themselves followed by tears of needing. :P

Also, update.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/images/bowser/bowser_s.jpg
Bowser confirmed to be playable. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/bowser.html)

And my God, he looks bad-ass. xd If that's what he'll look like in Super Mario Galaxy, that's cool. =o

[Another Fan]

Talon, Smash Bros. doesn't have combos. That's what makes it good. Only combos are done with a move of the analog stick and a button press. That and chaining moves. But no combos in the sense you seen to be thinking about.

Also, why the hell would bowser have the power to turn things into bricks?

Oh, neat. Bowser. Doubt it Joe, cause Mario looks different in Galaxy than in SSBB, so I don't see bowser having all that texture in Galaxy. It will be more stylized than here.

Also, huh, they changed the face to the more normal bowser face, the one used in the mario games. This one has bigger eyes and stuff.

[Talon87]

Talon, Smash Bros. doesn't have combos. That's what makes it a good game for kids or other people not into serious fighters.
Fixed.

[Sylar]

Talon, Smash Bros. doesn't have combos. That's what makes it a good game for kids or other people not into serious fighters.
Fixed.
You think memorising an endless list of button combos makes a good game? >> That makes a boring game. And even if you take it seriously, where does it get you? Oh look, some guy who did it just won a gaming tournament in Japan.

So what? xfd

IMO, simple attack systems > complex ones.

[Talon87]

If you really want to have this debate, I'll be happy to do it. If you want to be a childish ass, then forget it, go have fun with your Pogeymans and Smash Bwudders.

For now, assuming you seriously want to discuss this as gentlemen ... no, I'm not saying that by simple virtue of having combos a fighter is "made good" or to be taken seriously. Complexity does not necessarily equate fun, and can in fact equate years of frustration. However, whether a game is fun or not has nothing to do with whether or not it is easy because (simply) some people like a challenge and some people hate any form of challenge and want all of life's pleasures to come to them on a silver platter. SSB and SSB:M are two examples of fighters that are "silver platters," while Guilty Gear and SNK's run-of-the-mill fighter are all great examples of "you have to work hard for the rewards." There's the difference, and why I think I am (non-snobbishly) allowed to say, "SSB and SSB:M are fighters for kiddies. GGX is not."

Why is that? Well, because SSB is easier to get into. Because there are no combos, a beginner is on relatively equal footing to somebody who has played obsessively for years once several hours go by (if he's stuck to the same character and doesn't universally suck at fighters). Once you figure out the character's entire inventory of moves, it then becomes simply about in-map strategy like "Do I duck or do I go for it?", "Do I lure him to the edge of the ring or is it better to confront him mid-field?", "Is this an opponent bunny-hopping works well against or can he easily hit me?", etc. These are relevant concerns in GGX and Street Fighter, too, but here in SSB and SSB:M they are the only concerns. You don't have to worry about the foe being particularly skilled with ringing people out because in SSB:M the only way to win is the ring out (as there is no life meter) and so ring outs can be achieved even from midfield. You don't have to worry about the foe getting you up against a wall because most stages have no walls. The foe hits you 3 times and then your out of his reach (whether either of you likes it or not) because the game's physic engine demands that your body fly in the vector direction of his attacks and not stand still for an ass-whuppin'. It's a very, very simple game.

Somebody who has mastered GGX is infinitely more skilled than somebody who mastered SSB:M. Here, we have a kid dealing with a game where OHKO moves are not only present but are relatively easy to pull off -- however, you only get one shot at it. Here we have a game where over 80% of characters' moves are not listed in the manual or in the in-game tutorials. The game is incredibly involved with "reading your opponents' moves" because, if you're too slow or ineffectual at doing this, your opponent will recognize that and just key in the OHKO. You have to constantly be one step ahead of -or- on the same page as the opponent. And of course he the same with you. This creates intense battles that are beautiful to behold but usually don't involve the taking of one's life until 10 minutes into the game (since for every beautiful move one guy does, the other guy successfully dodges or blocks it). It is truly gorgeous, a spectacle to behold, as compared with the "carnival" feeling of SSB:M where people that look like claymations run around with bowling pins and whack the shit out of each other sending them flying unrealistically into outer space.

In short ... because the fighter has more combos, GGX (or other complex fighters) mandate more reading of the opponent and less mastery of "fighting basics". Because you're not only reading against fighting basics, but also against a huge list (over 100 moves per character) of possible attacks which could be coming your way. If SSB:M is "predict one of five outcomes: he jumps, he ducks, he blocks, he runs, or he attacks", GGX is "predict one of 105 outcomes." And the pros do it, every single time.

[Sylar]

Talon's big essay. xd

Talon, I'm not going to be all childish or an ass, but I'm not going to argue back and cause a big debate either, because to be honest, I can't be bothered typing that much. xD However, I will respond to one point you made.


Why is that? Well, because SSB is easier to get into. Because there are no combos, a beginner is on relatively equal footing to somebody who has played obsessively for years

Technically, that means a person of any age, not just younglings.

...Did I seriously just say younglings? Oo; I need to stop watching Star Wars. >>;

Anyway, another point I'll respond to.


GGX is "predict one of 105 outcomes." And the pros do it, every single time.

Those pros have no life then. Oo; Either that or they're so pro they've managed to slow the passage of time everywhere in the world apart from their own room. >>;

Talon, Smash Bros was never intended to be a proper fighting game in the first place anyway. It was just Nintendo getting some of their well known characters, and basically, putting you into a "Boss Battle" with each of them, in terms of other games, that's what it's equivalent too. In some cases, such as Mario vs. Bowser, it's exactly the same. xD So gamers who like SSB are obviously gonna be biased towards it's more "fun" take on the fighting genre.

[Talon87]

Talon, Smash Bros was never intended to be a proper fighting game in the first place anyway.
I agree. 100%. It is as fun a game as Shonen Jump SuperStars which features Naruto, Luffy, Goku, Yami Yugi, and tons of other characters from Shonen Jump manga. I love that game, even though for a fighter it's pretty primitive. What bugs me is when people say "SSB:M is the best fighter ever," because it shows that they don't understand that SSB:M is supposed to be a novelty game, not a fighter to be taken seriously. People who say SSB:M is more fun than Tekken, VF, or DOA, fine, all the more power to them. People who say it's a better fighter, no, I'm sorry.

The way I see it ... SSB:M (and presumably SSBB) is like the Wii of fighters. It's meant to be highly-accessible to everyone, from the pros to the amateurs, from the young to the old. Anybody should be able to pick it up and have fun and not feel that it's too difficult. But necessarily, this means that the learning curve is very (very) low, and it also means that a lot of what makes fighters "epic" (like GGX's requirement to study extensively and to be able to pull off a 100-button execution for nine separate moves flawlessly otherwise you get OHKO'd) is removed from the game.

Saying one is the Wii of Fighters does not constitute an insult. The Wii is arguably the most popular console on the market. However, saying the Wii is fun and popular is not the same as saying "the Wii is a serious next-gen console." And I feel the same way (departing from our analogy) about SSB:M and other "serious" fighters.

[Raptor Jesus]

Bobobobooboboboboboboobobobobobo is the best SJSS character.

[Talon87]

Bobobobooboboboboboboobobobobobo is the best SJSS character.
I prefer 6-cel Kenshin. His X and X-Up combos are very interchangeable, very fast, and one of them is a OHKO (practically always) while the other one is a 2HKO. He can do a triple jump like the ninjas (because he's Kenshin, man!), and he has some nice use of B and Y, also.

That stated, I'm really OCD about having a shitton of "mana", and as such, I have to try to form teams that have as much support as possible. I find the Naruto crew best suited for that. 5-panel Kakashi supports 5, 6, or 7-panel Naruto well. 7-panel Naruto is a lot of fun against NPCs, while 5-panel Naruto is usable against real opponents. (Of whom I've fought zero since buying the game. -.-) Then, Kakashi and Naruto mutually share a lot of promotion from Sasuke and other Naruto characters. Kenshin, on the other hand, is all by his lonesome for fighting, which means that if you want to make a "just Kenshin" deck, you've only got one fighter and maybe 8 or 9 tops for your mana bar. Instead of the 11-14 I have in my Naruto deck.

Because I don't recognize the characters from Bobobo(repeat), I haven't used them much. I'm not a big fan of Bobo himself because he's so easy to defeat, so I can't figure he'd be very good. His orange friend who is shaped like a teardrop might be better, since he's speedy as hell and seems to have a few good combos.

[Sylar]

Bowser's Final Smash (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/bowser.html#3rd)

That's awesome. :O

[Talon87]

Is that executed by getting a random-chance item, or do you save up energy and then activate it yourself? If it's the latter, then it reminds me of GG's OHKOs. Very broken, but can be very amusing. If it's the former, then it's a little more kosher since it's random chance and everybody gets a fair shot at it.

I'd be frightened to see "Giga Mario" given how dark and realistic Giga Bowser looks. Yech. :x (at the thought of Giga Mario)

Giga Pikachu would rock. XD

[Arnold]

Talon: http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/howto/basic/basic02.html

[Another Fan]

Anyway, yeah. So, I don't even know what GGX stands for. I probably have heard of the actual game. But when people say that SSB is the better fighter? They mean it is the funnest game that has fighting in it, even if it is of an unorthodox kind. Cause I am sure a lot of people, even after reading that essay don't give a flying F about this game being tougher and made for people who play the standard formula for a fighting game.

If quality is dictated by enjoyment, and a fighting game is any game that has fighting, and the person in question has the most fun with SSB, then yeah, for that person in question, it is the best fighting game.

Bit duh, don't you think?

[Sylar]

Thursday Update:

Info on Smash Attacks (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/howto/basic/basic04.html)

[Sylar]

Friday Update:

Stage: Bridge of Eldin (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage05.html)

So. Fucking. Awesome. xD I can't wait to play on this stage. =3

[Raptor Jesus]

I remember dying on that bridge so many times just because I had no idea I could do the spin attack atop the horse.

[Another Fan]

Glad they chose such a familiar stage rather than something generic or so far into the game that no one remembers it.

Plus, it didn't spoil anything for me. Damn, I need to beat TP.

[Lee-san]

I remember dying on that bridge so many times just because I had no idea I could do the spin attack atop the horse.


you can do a spin attack atop the horse? :O

anyway xD all of this sounds great so far, should I ever get a Wii (which is unlikely gonna happen in the near future) this is the one game I'm definately gonna get.

[Sylar]

Tuesday Update:

Dr. Wright (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist03.html)

Who is an assist trophy. If you didn't know, he's the guy from SimCity. xd

[Another Fan]

Well, it was obviously they were putting him in there. Yeah, they couldn't have missed such a character.

Wait, no. Yeah, this came completely out of the blue.

[Talon87]

Well, it was obviously they were putting him in there. Yeah, they couldn't have missed such a character.

Wait, no. Yeah, this came completely out of the blue.

Hee hee hee, I swear, you are just like me. When it comes to being sarcastic online, there is NO WAY TO TELL that you (AF) are doing it unless you then spell it out for us like you did in the second line. When I read that first line, I totally thought you were arrogantly being full of it and saying you saw this coming.

Ah, the Internet: where sarcasm falls on deaf ears.

[Sylar]

Pssh, I'm always sarcastic on the intarwebz. :O And I never have to explain it. xd

In more SSBB-related news, Dr Wright's weird. xd

[Talon87]

I would have been far more excited to see Dr. Right/Light. And to see MegaMan as a playable character. Curse you, Capcom, and your falling out with Nintendo and refusal to loan them back the character which earned you millions! :evil:

Seriously, MegaMan would be nothing without the NES (1-6) and SNES (X1 through X3).

[Lee-san]

Hm, so those Assist Trophies seem to not be related to playable characters after all, or are they? When I saw the Samurai whats-his-name trophy I thought only Cpt. Falcon could get him to appear, but Dr. Wright doesn't seem to be related to any playable character, right? And neither does that Nintendog puppy..
So, do those trophies work like Pokeballs so that it's random what you get out of it or not? Someone please enlighten me =o

[Another Fan]

Yeah, random. Basically pokeballs. But hey, they're cool.

I never knew Joe was sarcastic. People keep telling me he is, but I never am around him when he is.

[Raptor Jesus]

Yeah, random. Basically pokeballs. But hey, they're cool.

I never knew Joe was sarcastic. People keep telling me he is, but I never am around him when he is.

Was that sarcasm?

[Another Fan]

It wasn't actually. Nope. It wasn't at all.

[Sylar]

roffle AF you are around when I'm sarcastic. :OYou just don't seem to get my type of web-sarcazmz. xd

Wednesday Update:

Item: Bumper (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/item05.html)

Apparently it was in the N64 version of SSB. >>;

[Another Fan]

You don't remember the bumper? Wow.

The bumper was sort of missed in Melee. The flipper does not have the same sort of kick the bumper had. That thing really pushed you around. It appeared in some stages as stationary, but it was an item too.

[Sylar]

Dear god Joe. You never played Smash Bros. Oh dear god. Wow. Wow.

That's why I don't remember the Bumper. xd

[Another Fan]

Still.

I wish I could post just that, but I can't. So, I'll post that and the two sentences here.

[Lee-san]

December 3rd's the release..in the US that is =o

[Sylar]

Returning Character Confirmed: DK.

In the trailer shown in the Conference, there was a quick 1-second clip of DK landing on the platform. Sneaky bastards. xd

Edit: If the picture isn't showing up, just click it and it'll load.

[Another Fan]

Nice catch there Joe.

Real nice. Sooo... Dec 3rd. The guy's in chat mentioned that was the date Melee came out. So, that was neat of them.

[Sylar]

Thursday Update. TWO updates. :O

First: DK Confirmed. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/donkeykong.html) As if we didn't know from the movie. xd

Second: 15 Second Movie (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/info/info01.html) Basically the same as yesterday at E3 conference, but some stuff tagged on the end, such as Giga Bowser chasing Pikachu and Link using his Final Smash.

[Arnold]

Smashville FTW

[Sylar]

Oh. My. God. That live audience is amazing. xd

However, I guess it's safe to assume Nook isn't a character as people hoped, since he's part of the background. ;-;

[Sylar]

Update: Song: Star Fox - Space Armada (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/music/music05.html)

BOOOORRRINNGGGG. xd I wantz characters or stages, damnit. :P

[ZoraJolteon]

"And the word "armada" refers to a large fleet of ships, of course. Though I always chuckle when I hear it because it sounds like my colleague’s name, Mr Amada."

I lol'd.

[Sylar]

Tuesday Update: Deoxys (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/mball/mball03.html)

Pokeball 'mon. :O

[quilava plush]

Update: Song: Star Fox - Space Armada (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/music/music05.html)


As a bitter fan of the SNES and 64 Star Fox games who thinks the series went to hell when Krystal first appeared, I am appeased. Remixes of Star Fox SNES tunes ftw.

[Raptor Jesus]

I totally agree with QP. All the Starfox games that came out after the N64 one sucked. Well, Starfox DS is okay.

They should have made 3 different Deoxys. Like one to act as a temporary shield (LG version) and another one that zooms across (EM version). Although, it looks pretty cool either way.

[Sylar]

I actually quite liked Star Fox Adventures. xd Dunno why, I think it's just more my type of game than the ones where you just fly around. Anywho...

Wednesday Update: Samus' Final Smash (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/samus.html#3rd)

A freakin' huge laser. And when she uses it, it like...breaks her suit? I dunno, but her suit falls off. So that's how you get Zero Samus. Which kinda sucks, since as SamusInSuit, you can only ever use one Final Smash per battle. Oo;

Also, found this on BMG: Click! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/taitofan/Other/hugeandtoughzh8.png)

[Sylar]

ZeroSuit Samus is todays update. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/zerosuit_samus.html)

Woo, a whip? >>;

[Lee-san]

hm, I'm confused, can you only get ZS Samus by using Samus' Final Smash or is she available as a regular character as well?

[Sylar]

hm, I'm confused, can you only get ZS Samus by using Samus' Final Smash or is she available as a regular character as well?

No idea. xD If I had to guess, I'd say Final-Smash only, but you never know.

[Arnold]

Nah, there will be a way like zelda/shiek (OMFG spoilors) =o to get Zss at the start, ORRRRR...unockable version by beating something with Samus

[Sylar]

Friday Update:

This World... (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/modea01.html)

Apparently, it's a Game-mode and not a Stage, and only trophies fight there. And if somebody isn't a trophy, some weird things pop up:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720k.jpg

O.o;

[Arnold]

It's got to be the intro movie and by God if it is it looks niiicce, The SSBM Intro I love watching it when I play it just has something about it.

[Sylar]

Didn't the Melee opening start with trophies though?

Repetitive bastards. :P *shot*

[Sylar]

Friday Update:

New Stage - Rumble Falls (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage07.html)

Based on DK Jungle Beat apparently. And the screen keeps moving up, so you have to climb while fighting each other. Doesn't say what's at the top. >>;

[ZoraJolteon]

What stage will the Ice Climbers have now then?

[Sylar]

The non-existant stage. Since they'll probably be scrapped. xd

Tuesday Update:

Returning Character: Yoshi. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/yoshi.html)

Check out the forth screenshot. HIS FEET ARE INSIDE DK'S FUR! xd

[Lee-san]

bah, I'll kill them if they don't include Ice Climbers, they're my favorite characters..what possible reason could they have for not including a character that has been in previous games, really?

[Talon87]

Fan complaints? :? Lack of popularity? A million reasons, dude. There are several fighting franchises which come to mind (Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom, and Shonen Jump ___Stars) which have not brought back every possible character seen in their earlier titles.

Not getting on the Ice Climbers case, since I think they are very cute and I would rather see the Ice Climbers than Plusle and Minun. Just explaining that it's possible (if not likely) that they have been replaced by their Pokemon counterparts.

[Sylar]

Pichu needs to be removed. He was just a blatant advertisement for a different generation of Pokemon. >>

[Sylar]

Wednesday Update

New Stage: Skyworld (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage08.html)

It's Pit's stage. And the stage crumbles as you battle. :O

[Sylar]

Thursday Update

New "How To" Page: The Footstool Jump (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/howto/technique/technique03.html)

Tis basically jumping on somebody, then pressing the jump button again and bouncing off.

[Sylar]

New Assist Trophy: Knuckle Joe (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist04.html)

Apparently, he's from the Kirby series. Never heard of him. xd

[Another Fan]

New Assist Trophy: Knuckle Joe (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist04.html)

Apparently, he's from the Kirby series. Never heard of him. xd


Knuckle Joe's cool.

[Sylar]

DK's Final Smash: Konga Beat (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/donkeykong.html#3rd)

Not surprisingly, he gets out some Bongo drums and the music hurts people. Or something. To be honest, I'd have preferred he get a Bongo jet pack and zoom around the screen killing people. xd

[Sylar]

New Item: Pitfall (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/item06.html)

Cool. xd

[Lee-san]

woo, Ike : D awesome as I just finished Path of Radiance

I hope that doesn't mean that Marth will be left out..I was so freaking good with him >>

[Sylar]

The thing I love most about this update is this:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/images/ike/ike_070801e.jpg

xD WARNING!!!

Also, I got bored, so I've added an Assist Trophies section to the first post.

[Sylar]

Thursday Update:

Castle Siege (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage09.html)

Tis the Fire Emblem stage that was in the first trailers, yet everyone refused to believe it was actually that. xd

[Lee-san]

the line "but it’s not set in a particular castle, nor is it from a particular game in the series." totally proves that Marth and Roy will be back =o
yup.

[Dark Duskull]

Wow I didn't know there was a thread of this.
I'm a big fan of the SSB series, I don't have money to purchase a Wii, though so I doubt I will ever play this one.
Back in the times of N64 I used to be a very good player using Pikachu, beat the hell out of all my friends and went to a torunament once which I finished 3rd. When my cousin got a GC i got addicted to SSBM, but it was too different to the first SB and couldn't get used to any character until I found Zelda could turn into Sheik (duh) and I learned very well how to use her. That was like 3 weeks or so. I have't had the chance to play again, though.
Anyways, dunno why I'm telling this, I just wanted to share my experiences with the SB series.

[Sylar]

Okay, the update today seems to be the adventure mode.

The Subspace Emissary. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/modea02.html)

Another interesting point:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803h.jpg

Peach is confirmed as returning. :O

[Talon87]

First thing you do at 9am is update this thread?

[Sylar]

Yes.

However, the first thing I do at 8am is have my breakfast, get ready, get a shower, etc. :P

[Talon87]

As you can tell, I am presently halfway through my goal of denying your avatar his wish.

That, and I figured pulling an all-nighter was a good idea when I found myself already up at 2:30am and with still so much stuff to get through. Just finished Geass ... now, on to Ever17!

As for an on-topic reply, I'm happy to hear that this game will have a Story Mode for characters. (a.k.a. "Adventure Mode") I look forward to playing Samus' and Pikachu's.

[Raptor Jesus]

HUzzah for Peach! Huzzah for the high chance of Marth's return!

[ZoraJolteon]

The Subspace Emissary, eh? MOAR LIKE THE BENJAMIN SISKO! M I RITE?!?!?

[Another Fan]

Holy hell this is awesome.

[Sylar]

Is it just me, or does it seem Metaknight's the bad guy in all of this? O.o;

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803k.jpg
His ship about to attack Link and Yoshi

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803m.jpg
His ship attacking Fox/Falco in an Arwing

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803i.jpg
And in this picture, the background has clouds exactly the same as the Arwing one, so we can safely assume Pit's on board, as he doesn't appear to be flying.

It's weird, but I'm thinking Metaknight may be an antagonist. xD Edit: Not on his own, obviously. Didn't make that clear. I really want all the evil characters from games, like Bowser, Ganondorf and Metaknight to team up against the good guys. :P

[Dark Duskull]

In the previous titles of SSB, no one seemed to be a bad guy, but the master hand. There wasn't a "story mode" where you had to fight Bowser, Ganondorf and Mewtwo, for example.
I don't know if this SSB will be different, it would be fun to have something like that, though

[Sylar]

Yesterday's update was the Smoke Ball.

Today, tis Ike's special moves. :O Link. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/ike.html#2nd)

[Sylar]

Yesterday's update was the music for Pit's stage. Well, almost certainly, anyway.

Today's update it Pit's Final Smash. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/pit.html#3rd) Looks cool.

[Sylar]

New Item: Franklin Badge (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/item08.html)

From Mother apparently. I had no idea. But it's cool, deflects bullets and lasers and stuff. xD

[Lee-san]

guess that confirms Ness' return =o

[Jerichi]

Awww, no characters?

But I guess it's just as good. At least we know Ness is back. Although I'm not sure there were many doubts.

[Sylar]

Two updates today. Quite surprising too, thought they'd do Peach, but instead:

Pokemon Trainer! :O (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/pokemon_trainer.html)

Doesn't fight for himself, has Charizard, Ivysaur and Squirtle to fight for him. You change (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/pokemon_trainer.html#pokemon_change) between them. I guess that one guy on SPPf who wanted Squirtle as a playable character isn't that dumb after all. xfd

[Sylar]

Fuck, pressed quote instead of Edit. xD everyone ignore this post. >>;

[Holy Emperor]

Looks sweet. Too bad he doesn't use any DP guys or cool legendaries.

[Sylar]

To liven up this thread, I'm gonna post my DWEAM LINE-UP! =3 Follow suit, peepulz. :P

Returning Characters:
Mario
Link
Kirby
Pikachu
Fox
Samus Aran
Zelda
Peach
Bowser
Donkey Kong
Yoshi
Luigi
Captain Falcon
Ness
Jigglypuff
Falco
Ganondorf
Roy
Marth
Mewtwo
Mr. Game and Watch

Newcomers:
Metaknight
Pit
Wario
Zero Samus
Ike
Pokemon Trainer
Lucario (Most likely new playable Poke)
Midna + Wolf Link OR Cel-Shaded Link (Replace Young Link - I kinda want both, but that seems unlikely)
Paper Mario (Replaces Dr. Mario)
Captain Olimar (Replaces Pichu, yes weird, but I see him being small and fast. :O)
Dry Bones
Waluigi
Diddy Kong
Kotake and Koume/Twinrova (Replaces Ice Climbers)
Krystal
Toad
Chibi-Robo
Mii (upload your own! ^^)
King Dedede
Geno (Most people want him, thought I'd put him on my list xd)
Bowser Jr.
Ridley (From Metroid)

3rd Party:
Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy)
Darth Vader (LucasArts are all for more money, so I'm expecting it >>)
Bomberman

Which brings it to a grand total of 48. Yes, I'm being unrealistic with some, but I don't care. ^^

[Arnold]

Best update in a while, Loving the trainer andPokes, and the fact that theres Chirby, Squirby and Ivysaur Kriby (couldn't think of anything) >>;;

and No lucario, I have no idea why anyone wants it, it's fucking shit and Overrated to hell

[Sylar]

I don't actually want Lucario, I just think it's really likely. It was revealed early, has a good fighting stance, and the potential for a clone moveset of somebody like Captain Falcon. It's more likely than something like Dialga and Palkia, which some n00bs on SPP want for some reason. xfd

[Arnold]

I got a feeling Dialge/palkia wil lbe Trainers Smash attack, or maybe Regigigas =o...or Seaking FUCK YEAH >>

But no Lucario pllleeasse, leave it at Mewtwo and all will be good, never liked Metwo anyway but he needs to be in there still

[Holy Emperor]

I could imagine Lucario in this game. If they bring back mewtwo he should have better moves and not suck as much. >.<

But most importantly, Geno better be in this game.

[ZoraJolteon]

ZOMGWTFBBQ.

Why did they have to pick the worst possible combination of starter stages? Bulbasaur/Blastoise/Charmeleon FTW.

[Holy Emperor]

I disagree. While Blastoise is awesome, Squirtle is still cool. Additionally, Charizard is badass and hopefully won't suck.

Also, he has those Pokemon because he's RED from the manga. I woulda liked GREEN or Dawn better.

[Jerichi]

HOLY SHIT POKEMON TRAINER.

That is AWESOME. For really!

[Sylar]

As awesome as....

Demon?! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist05.html)

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/images/assist05/assist05_070814a.jpg

...Yeah, Trainer's probably more awesome. But Demon's still a good assist trophy. xd

Edit: I've just noticed it has MOOBS. And nipples. Oo; When was the last time a video game character had nipples? xfd

[Sylar]

And fuck yeah. Double post for a reason. xD Remember ages ago I said Metaknight would be the villain? Well, that was before I even looked at the video I didn't know was there. :O The one in this post. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/modea02.html)

Yeah, I'm so right. *shot* xD

[Muyotwo]

But most importantly, Geno better be in this game.
Damn Right.

[Blastoise]

Pokemon trainer is cool, but I'm wary of the "stamina" system. If he ends up like Zelda/Sheik where only one form is actually usable, well...I guess Bowser needed someone so he could look better by comparison.

[Another Fan]

Super sweet. Damn, they managed to pull it off.

This is new. Really new. And interesting. Holy hell. Wow.

[Sylar]

Cool, Stickers (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/various03.html). xd Also:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/images/various03/various03_070815b.jpg

Rawk Hawk =o. That could mean Paper Mario's in the game. And Balloon Kid! xd

[Lee-san]

meh, I liked trophies better =o with the cool gallery and all the infos and stuff.

[Arnold]

Trophies are still in the game, which makes it even better, collecting stuf FTW

[Lee-san]

they are? where does it say so?

[Sylar]

It doesn't really say anywhere, but in one of the videos, you can see a Mario and Kirby trophy, I think.

[Another Fan]

"Stickers are easier to get a hold of than trophies. Just play the game and you’ll start to earn them as rewards." I think they wouldn't get rid of them.

But sweeeeet, Rawk Hawk. Awesome that you noticed.

[Sylar]

Another BACK TO THE EDGE (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/howto/technique/technique04.html) update. xd

[Sylar]

Friday Update: Peach. :O (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/peach.html)

Anybody else find this picture hilariously funny?

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/images/peach/peach_070817b.jpg

It looks like one of those old sacrifices. XD

Edit: O.o;

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a150/Zombieboy13/dkwhoop.png

[Sylar]

Today's update is Link's Moves. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/link.html#2nd)

[Sylar]

Awesome update today: The Subspace Army. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/modea03.html)

Their leader flies back to what I'm assuming is Metaknight's ship. And then, Mario gets blasted by a Cannonball, and omgwtf, Petey Piranha captures Peach and Zelda.

W.T.F xfd

[ZoraJolteon]

The next update needs to be Zelda teleporting out the cage, shifting into Sheik and owning Petey.

[Sylar]

Except this is TP Zelda, and Shiek's gone now. :P What we really need is Kirby completely owning Petey by swallowing both Zelda and Peach's cages, therefore becoming a giant, metal, pink, princess-warrior. :O

[Sylar]

Today's update be Diddy Kong! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/diddykong.html)

Which means Score +1 to me from my predicted newcomers list. :P

Also, decided to get a screencap of this, just because I can :O

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/cyberfazza/SuperSmashBrosBrawl/smashpeteypan.png

Coooooool. xd

[Lee-san]

nice, Diddy Kong..not that big a surprise, but still, awesome character. Can't wait to see what his moves will be like.

[Sylar]

Two Updates today. :O

Music: Animal Crossing Go K.K. Rider! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/music/music07.html)

Yoshi's Final Smash (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/yoshi.html#3rd)

Final Smash looks awesome, reminds me of the old games where if you ate a certain type of Koopa you got the powers. xd

[Sylar]

Today's update is Petey Piranha (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/modea04.html). As a Boss character, not playable. Yet. :P

Seems you can only save one princess, then something bad happens to the other. Oo;

[Lee-san]

nice, Boss battles..damn, I wish I had a Wii to play this game on >>

[Sylar]

Item Update today. Superspicy Curry. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/item09.html) :O Tis cool.

[Sylar]

Two Updates today.

Surprisingly, Andross (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/assist06.html) of all things, is an Assist Trophy. :O Kinda cool, I guess.

And secondly, Explanation of Four Special Moves (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/howto/basic/basic05.html), using Metaknight as a model. Also kinda cool.

[quilava plush]

YESSSS

Retro Star Fox FTW! \o/

[Sylar]

Today's update: Pokemon Trainer's Special Moves (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/pokemon_trainer.html#2nd)

There's supposed to be nine, but it seems they've kept one secret from each Pokemon. :O

[deoxys]

Charizard's B+^ will be fly... Squirtle will most likely have Water Gun, and Ivy Saur Razor Leaf...

And the Final Smash will probably be Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, and Solar Beam all at once. Or Pokemon Trainer pulls out a knife and stabs everyone. I dunno. Something like that.

[Sylar]

Nope, Charizard can fly by holding jump: Gliding. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/howto/technique/technique05.html) Same for Metaknight and Pit.

Well, unless you meant Fly as in dive-bombing the opponent.

[Sylar]

WarioWare Stage. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage10.html) Awesome. ^^

[Sylar]

Pit's Descent. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/modea05.html)

Explains why he's in story mode. Well, at least I think it does, won't load for me. >>

[Sylar]

Today's Update be Diddy Kong's Special Moves! :O (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/diddykong.html#2nd)

DK64, ftw. xd

[Sylar]

Awesome, 5th post in a row. :P

Metaknight (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/metaknight.html) finally got his update. According to Sakurai it was delayed "for some reason" xd

[Sylar]

6th in a row! Yeah bitch. :P Two updates today.

Pokemon Stadium 2 (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage11.html). Terrain changes. Tis cool.

Mario's Special Moves. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/mario.html#2nd) Well. ONE special move. But it's a cool move. xd

[Muyotwo]

C-C-C-Combo Breaker!

[ZoraJolteon]

Today's post is all about music.

Inb4joelolz.

[Another Fan]

This update was awesome awesome.

[Sylar]

Inb4joelolz.
atskoollolz.

xd Anyway, yeah, this update was cool for you guys. Kinda sucky for me though, since I don't care what music plays. >>;

[Another Fan]

Inb4joelolz.
atskoollolz.

xd Anyway, yeah, this update was cool for you guys. Kinda sucky for me though, since I don't care what music plays. >>;

That's cause you're silly. And bad.

Life's aaaawesooooome right now. Man, I'm gonna love this game so so much.

[Sylar]

That's cause you're silly. And bad.
Not really. It's because I'd rather play a good game with shitty music than a bad game with awesome music. The music doesn't make the game. Oo;

[Another Fan]

As if Smash Bros. is gonna be a bad game.

I'd buy it if it was Melee with new music. And we already know it isn't even that.

So, yeah. I can see why music doesn't make the game, but the music is such an awesome thing to have. So, not caring about it seems silly.

Then again, to the degree I like the music, playing the game without any music would just piss me off.

[Lee-san]

Gotta agree with AF on that one.
Music is very important in a game, at least to me..much more than Graphics at least. Couldn't play a game if it had sucky music, no matter how good it was otherwise.

But yeah, looks like Brawl is gonna have freaking awesome music. And is gonna be freaking awesome in every other way. (if they don't remove all the old characters, that is)

damn, I sure hope the price for the Wii is gonna drop sometime soon, cause I want it so bad ;_;

[Sylar]

If you order from abroad, the exchange rate will probably make the price go much lower than where you live. Only problem is that you'd have to export all your future games, which would rule because they come out earlier in some places, but suck since you'd have to wait and probably pay more for delivery. =\ Then again, that's what AF does, you may as well ask him if it's a good idea or not. xd

But still, what you said Lee, I can easily play games without music. xd I went through my entire Diamond game without having the sound on once*. Although the music is probably going to be a big part of it, I'll be too wrapped up concentrating on what to do next to actually listen to it. :P

*Mostly because I played around other people, and they would've been annoyed by it, but still. I just don't care for the music in Poke-games. Annoying cries of the little bastards. xD

Soo! To get this slightly more on topic. >>; Anybody got any predictions for Monday? I'm thinking either a Pokeball-Mon or an Assist Trophy. Hopefully an Assist Trophy of the Skull Kid. ^^

[ZoraJolteon]

Munchlax is a Pokéball Pokémon that walks around eating other items.

inb4joeagainlolz

[Lee-san]

boring imo..but well, it kinda fits Munchlax.

I'm guessing we'll see another assist trophy and maybe another character this week, maybe Snake?

[Sylar]

w00t, Munchlax!

And Snake will probably only be profiled when Hideo Kojima can be bothered, since I doubt Sakurai would want to. xd

But yeah, I'm expecting a character too. :P Also:

Anybody got any predictions for Monday? I'm thinking either a Pokeball-Mon or an Assist Trophy.
Fuck yeah. xd

[ajnrules]

Lyn as an Assist trophy. :p

[Lee-san]

ooh Lyn, nice. guess they took her critical hit animation from the GBA game for this.

[Sylar]

Cool. Never played the GBA Fire Emblem. But at least this will shut people up on Smashboards about her being playable. xd

[ajnrules]

Next thing you know...Sonic assist trophy. XD

[Raptor Jesus]

It really depends on the game. I doubt I'd play SSBM as much if it had no sound. The game would feel boring. If the music was bad, I would feel uninspired to play.

Meanwhile, horror survival games typically don't need music during much of the game, except possibly during epic moments. The eeriness of silence can have as much impact as a song.

[Sylar]

Today's update are be the Halberd! :O Cool. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/stages/stage12.html)

Judging from the description, Metaknight gets his ship stolen in the story mode. XD

[Sylar]

Special Brawl. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/various04.html)

Meh, tis good and bad. Good that there's loads of combination, but bad that it'll probably get boring really quickly. xd

[ajnrules]

heh. It's kinda like most of the Special Melee modes in SSBM.

[ajnrules]

OMG! Double post!

Oh well. Looks like Ice Climbers are in SSBB after all. Too bad I'm no longer good at them in SSBM. :|

[Sylar]

Well, at least this gives hope to Game and Watch returning. But also gives hope to Pichu and Dr Mario too. >>;

[Lee-san]

ICE CLIMBERS FUCK YEAH!

xD sorry, just happy to see that my favorite characters are back ^^

[Jerichi]

>ICE CLIMBERS FUCK YEAH!

SECONDED.

*dance like crazy*

[Sylar]

Ice Climbers suck.

Not as characters, but as a picture. Because out of all the nifty picture's I've done, they're the only ones who don't fit properly. ¬¬

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/cyberfazza/SuperSmashBrosBrawl/smashclimbers.png

Evil bastards! XD

[thed3]

Thats a pretty good picture with what you could do Joe.

Anyways the little times I played the Ice Climbers, or SSBM in total, these guys were pretty nifty. I liked their Down B move with the freezing breath and the spinning around with Hammers extended move. I disliked their jumping though. Whenever I got sent flying off the arena I always seemed to lose one... And only having one sucked!

[big bad birtha]

That's a pretty good picture of them. I thought it was their official Brawl look at first.

I never really cared too much for the Ice Climbers. They did have some good smash attacks, but they just didn't suit my tastes. As for fighting against them. They were a pain in the ass. They were easy, but I specialize in one on one fights, and having to pick away two characters at a time can be a little troublesome. I can say one thing about them though. Since they can't jump very high, they are easy to spike.

[Raptor Jesus]

Dr. Mario was awesome! He went through many years of medical school to learn how to pwn more in SSBM than 'no phD' Mario, and he did it quite often.

[Sylar]

I dunno why I don't like Dr. Mario. Tis weird, I just don't. o.o;

GOLDEN HAMMER R GO! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/item10.html)

[Another Fan]

Yeah, wow. This update will most likely send either happiness or frustration all over the internet.

Mostly happiness, I'm sure. Wow.

[quilava plush]

The Enemies From Subspace (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/modea06.html)

Auroros is pretty. D:

[Sylar]

Hmm, should we be treating the backgrounds in those shots as stages? Cos if so, that last one's either Snake's stage or inside a spaceship. xd

And kicking the shit out of R.O.Bs is gonna rock. :P

[Sylar]

Wow, and people were complaining about Munchlax looking graphically poor. If Munchlax sucks, then they need to make up an entire new word for what Piplup looks like. XD Leenkage. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/mball/mball05.html)

[Jerichi]

SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE.

That is all.

[Sylar]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/images/snake/snake_070921c.jpg

That is quite possibly the best picture ever. XD

[Sylar]

W00t, just ordered Melee off eBay. XD Should be here within about a week, so I'll have to play it endlessly up until Brawl comes out in the UK. :O

[Sylar]

Trophies. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/various05.html)

[Raptor Jesus]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/images/snake/snake_070921c.jpg

That is quite possibly the best picture ever. XD

"Well met! You did that with his own finger!"
-Phantom Limb

The Trophies will probably be as annoying to complete as it was in SSBM and the customization of the background is just outright worthless ~_~;;

[thed3]

That's an interesting quote. Though, I'd probably say it like, "Well met! You made him do that with his own finger!" Same message just for some reason it sounds more grammatically correct %;

w00t for Pokemon Final Smash (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html#3rd)! Lol at Ivysaur's pose and le gaspage at the inaccuracy towards the anime of Squirtle's Hydro Pump. Although I must say it looks pretty awesome and it looks like Squirtle's Hydro Pump kind of angles upwards as well.

[Another Fan]

Huh, what's the anime's hydro pump like? Is it like, a beam of water energy or what?

Anyway, I like it. Seems like hydro pump is weak by spreads outwards, solar beam is straight while fire blast appears to shoot like a blast or most likely several ones. So, while the other moves start and continue until the end of the attack, the fire blast like shoots a couple of really strong ones. Different, so, I'm glad.

[Sylar]

SSBM rocks. I have had it one day, and have not yet unlocked multiple things. Therefore, it's a good game. XD

Also, I couldn't be bothered updating the first post, but Resetti's an Assist Trophy now. >>;

Squirtle's anime Hydro Pump has Squirtle go into shell, spin around, and water comes out the holes where it's limbs where. And somehow, it floats while doing that. Oo;

[quilava plush]

And here I was thinking that Pokemon Trainer's Final Smash would be Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon, and Frenzy Plant. XD

So awesome, though!

[Raptor Jesus]

That's an interesting quote. Though, I'd probably say it like, "Well met! You made him do that with his own finger!" Same message just for some reason it sounds more grammatically correct %;

Well, that's the direct quote. So meh.

Hydro Pump, Solarbeam, and Fireblast. Sounds like a Final Smash to me! I like how the Pokemon text bubble pops out and says "It's Super Effective!" Adds some nice Pokemon flare to it.

[Another Fan]

SSBM rocks. I have had it one day, and have not yet unlocked multiple things. Therefore, it's a good game. XD

Also, I couldn't be bothered updating the first post, but Resetti's an Assist Trophy now. >>;

Squirtle's anime Hydro Pump has Squirtle go into shell, spin around, and water comes out the holes where it's limbs where. And somehow, it floats while doing that. Oo;

Huh, that's weird...

Um... I'm satisfied and agree on all points.

[thed3]

Well just think of Squirtle's Hydro Pump as like a Rapid Spin with Water shooting out. I love Squirtle's Hydro Pump anime-style, it's the only one thats original since every other pokemon that used Hydro Pump in the anime is just a bigger version of Water Gun.

Anyways tourney mode sounds awesome. I'd love to participate in one huge tourney with everyone!

[ZoraJolteon]

Ness is back but with a different outfit. Or something.

[Another Fan]

Huh, wow, I'm surprised this many people automatically assumed replacement. He could be a new character that is exactly like Ness but with different attacks.

The creators have mentioned that they wouldn't replace a character with one only known in Japan.

[Sylar]

Roy and Marth were only known in Japan, and they got into Melee instead of other sword-weilding psychos.

Anyway, I'm amazed at the detail that's gone into his denim shorts. o.o;

[Another Fan]

Replace a character with japan only. Marth and Roy were originals, not replacements.

[Sylar]

I know, what I meant was that they could have easily used worldwide characters instead, but they still put in Japan-only. So it's not too unrealistic that a Japanese-only character could replace a worldwide one.

[quilava plush]

Shadow Moses Island (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage13.html)

The inclusion of the ! makes me smile. Can't wait to see it in action. XD

[Blastoise]

MEI LING SAMUS JUST TOOK HER CLOTHES OFF

[quilava plush]

Assist Trophy:Excite Bike (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist09.html)

Also, Lakitu! <3 <3

[Lee-san]

wow, Fox' Final Smash rocks, simply put =o

also woo on Lakitu assist trophy.

[ajnrules]

I think Ness will be unlockable now.

And Ashley's theme.

[Another Fan]

Sonic.

Haha.

[ZoraJolteon]

AW HELL NAH!

[quilava plush]

Hedgehogs? In my Smash Bros?

[Lee-san]

I've never been that much of a Sonic fan, but I gotta admit - he seems to be pretty damn cool, his moves, his appearance, everything.

[thed3]

A rollout-like attack is in order!

[Jerichi]

>A rollout-like attack is in order!

Watch the video; he has one.

[quilava plush]

Snapshot mode!

I liked playing with snapshots in Melee, but had to delete all of mine to make room on my memory cards and it was hard to stage situations for good pictures. (Not to forget all the cool stuff happens in regular battles!) Glad to see it's more accessible this time.

Also, Kyogre as a Pokeball mon = WIN.

[quilava plush]

Aw, damn.

Brawl won't be released Stateside until February 10th (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html). ;_;

[Raptor Jesus]

There goes Christmas Brawling.

[quilava plush]

SANDBAG D=<

I've come to loathe the Homerun Contest after unlocking the classic Yoshi stage in Melee. I really hope it isn't required for unlocking this time. D: Was never good at it.

[big bad birtha]

It looks like it will be easier than Melee's homerun contest, because of the larger platform. I just hope you don't need to high of a score to unlock everything. I mean, 2500 feet with Ganondorf will only get me so far.

[Raptor Jesus]

LOL. The best way to beat the Homerun Contest is with Fox. Shoot the sandbag continuously until the countdown is almost done, then Homerun hit it. It'll go a lot further than the strongest guy just hitting it.

[big bad birtha]

Umm, I wasn't "just hitting" it ^_^;. I had Ganondorf grab the bat, jump at the sandbag, drop it, then curb stomp the bag from the air. The bat would stop the bag from flying, and I repeated it until the time nearly run out. After that, I warlock punched the bag. It was a pretty good method, since it got a good 2800 feet. I found a weird method to get 1000-1800 with everyone else.

[Another Fan]

I used yoshi's down B. Like, the flutter kick thing. Did really well.

[Lee-san]

Hm, the Wii Remote control method seems to be kinda awkward..well, I never held a Wii Remote in my hands, so I can't really tell, but an analog stick just seems like the better option. And how are you supposed to reach the Grab-button comfortably?

[Another Fan]

Hm, the Wii Remote control method seems to be kinda awkward..well, I never held a Wii Remote in my hands, so I can't really tell, but an analog stick just seems like the better option. And how are you supposed to reach the Grab-button comfortably?

With your thumb. It is easy. Trust me.

Everyone who made impressions about the wii remote loved it, and it isn't as if they aren't giving options.

[Blastoise]

Everyone who made impressions about the wii remote loved it, and it isn't as if they aren't giving options.

Regardless, for the moment looks like I'm going to be stocking up on Gamecube controllers.

[ZoraJolteon]

Every impression I've read criticised the grab button.

[Another Fan]

Huh, I heard lots of complaining about the shield button, but grab? Huh.

Eh, whatever, I'm using classic probably.

[big bad birtha]

It looks like Meowth returned from the hell of the N64's smash bros. =O

Anyway, I will so be using the cube controller. I honestly don't see a better SSB controller than the cube's. I mean, it was like it was made for Super Smash Brothers.

[Sylar]

OH MAH GAWDZ SONIK IZ IIN BRRRRAWWWWLLLL!! :OZ zogmgz

[Lee-san]

heh, Picto Chat stage. I like it, sounds like a fun idea.

[Talon87]

It's so hard to get pumped up about this game now that we know that Sonic has been added (how can you top that!?) and that the game's been delayed until Feb '08. :( On the brighter side of things, I'm becoming more and more convinced with each passing Dojo update that this may well be the fighter of 2008, if not the entire next generation up through Dec 2008.

[ZoraJolteon]

FUCK YEAH DEKING!

[thed3]

Dedede!!!!!

[Jerichi]

STAGE BUILDER?! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various10.html)

[Another Fan]

STAGE BUILDER?! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various10.html)

Yes. It is gonna be neat either way, but man, I hope it is as good as people expect it to be, or we'll be hearing bitching about it for so so very long.

[quilava plush]

This is officially the best game I've never played.

[Holy Emperor]

Having a stage builder is going to be so awesome. I'm afraid when this game comes out I won't have anything else accomplished in my life.

[thed3]

LOL Rayquaza is pwned and a baddy!

[Sylar]

HEAD SHOT, BOOM!

That's what came straight to mind when Rayquaza went down. Even though it wasn't hit in the head.

[deoxys]

It's pronounced "BOOM! Headshot!"

[quilava plush]

Now that Gray Fox is an AT, I have a tiny glimmer of hope that Phoenix Wright with his objection finger of death would make it as an AT- that is, if Capcom does collaborate. D: (Mega Man for Brawl?)

[Sylar]

It's pronounced "BOOM! Headshot!"
Yeah, well I took the second half of one, and the first half of another. :P

[thed3]

Mega Man for Brawl would be AWESOME!

It's pronounced "BOOM! Headshot!"
Then all they would need to add are sayings like "Running Riot!" "Suicide..." "Overkill!" etc. and it would be a shoe in that the Masterchief is in Brawl as well :P

Also seems like the Beam Sword gets a Viagra boost... interesting...

[Sylar]

Now that Gray Fox is an AT, I have a tiny glimmer of hope that Phoenix Wright with his objection finger of death would make it as an AT- that is, if Capcom does collaborate. D: (Mega Man for Brawl?)
Pac-Man would be better than Megaman, in my opinion. Just image his Final Smash! Everyone would go blue and whoever he swallows gets KOed. xd

The only Smash I can think of for Megaman is basically Samus' one.

[deoxys]

Megaman would be a problem, though. Which Megaman would it be? The older one or the newer one? Besides, I just don't see it happening. I think there *is* a possibility of one more character, but I personally believe having three third party characters is a little too much, but it's where I draw the limit. I don't mind it, but it takes away from the "all Nintendo" fighting game. Sonic is great in it, though, because Sonic v Mario is a showdown that everyones waited for.

I can only imagine, in twenty years the Smash Bros franchise...

"MULTIPLATFORM! NOW WITH MASTER CHIEF AND LARA CROFT! WARNING! CHALLENGER APPROACHING! WHO IS IT!? IT'S THE KING OF ALL COSMOS!"

[quilava plush]

I've never even played a Mega Man game. :| I just pulled a Capcom character out of my ass. (I wasn't even being serious, but I guess it's hard to tell on the internets.)

Ryu, then?

[Talon87]

MegaMan is a Nintendo property -- a shared Nintendo-Capcom property in the form of the titles MegaMan 1-6 (NES), X1-X3 (SNES), Zero 1-4 (GBA), and ZX 1-2 (DS). Not to mention the plethora of MegaMan side games for the GBA and DS that kids who enjoy the MegaMan anime have purchased. Is MegaMan mostly made by a 3rd party (Capcom) and just happens to be on Nintendo's consoles (NES-DS)? Yes, yes he is. But really, that's also what's become of Samus Aran (Retro Studios is as owned by Nintendo as Rare is by Microsoft -- they're still a 3rd party programming team that doesn't crossover with the main Nintendo programmers), Pikachu (The Pokemon Company, same argument), and various other "1st party" Nintendo heroes. There are very, very few Nintendo "1st party titles" that are written (code-wise), developed, and packaged by a team consisting of 80% NoJ employees. So much of Nintendo's manpower is outsourced to these smaller "Nintendo affiliates" like HAL, Retro, or TPC that really, the Blue Bomber, Zero, and maybe even some of the other Zero-storyline characters (e.g. Harpuia) shouldn't be written off so easily.

MegaMan was my #2 "yeah right, that'll never happen" wish right behind Sonic. If my #1 came true, then I have hope that #2, even if won't come true, could have. It's within the realm of possibilities now.

[Lee-san]

Spectating sure seems fun, it's a really nice idea..but with that said, it's been some time since we've seen new characters announced, about time that happens again next week.

[Another Fan]

Eh, somehow I think we don't need more new characters, at least for a while. They can be surprises.

Huh, I wasn't behind the idea of spectating before the coin betting and stickers came in. Heh, looks fun.

[Lee-san]

Well, yeah, but at least they could confirm that all the old characters will be in..Smash Bros. is not worth buying without Luigi >>

[thed3]

Oh you know you'll buy Brawl even if they don't announce Luigi is back because this game is so kick ass as it is!

We FB'ers already have enough problems gambling in Jirachi's Casino! Now there's Brawl Gambling... Oh n0ez!111!

[Lee-san]

Nah, I'll probably never buy Brawl because I don't have a Wii xD

ahem *flees*

[thed3]

BANZAI!!!!!!

I mean... BONSAI!!!!

I mean... BONSLY!!!!

Interesting way of integretating this pokemon into SSBB, although I'm more afraid of it being reflected back to me by Fox's projectile shield.

[deoxys]

Fox's protect shield only stops energy attacks, not physical ones. And there is a new Metroid Prime stage.... swiit.

[thed3]

Fox's protect shield only stops energy attacks, not physical ones. And there is a new Metroid Prime stage.... swiit.
The post specifically states to watch out for Fox and his shield with a picture and this specific caption, "Oh, and it’s not like it can’t be reflected."

Metroid Prime stage seems kind of bland, but I never played the game so maybe the turning upside down part won't be so bad.

Kirby-Squirtle, Kirby-Meta Knight, and Kirby-Snake PWN!!!!!

[Talon87]

I think a lot of Kirby's transformations leave a lot to be desired, like Diddy Kong (at least give him the shirt too!) or Pikachu (I don't care if this is what it's always been, it makes him look like he's wearing a Mickey Mouse baseball cap! >_< Just give Kirby Pikachu's ears and tails and he'll be fine! No need for the eyes on top of his head!). Then they go all out with Samus Aran (suit version), and it's like, "Pfft, as if Kirby's ever even going to have the chance to suck her up."

[Raptor Jesus]

Well, it's supposed to look like Kirby is wearing a hat or mask. Not a full on suit.

[thed3]

Pikmin and a Captain are new playable characters. I guess I can deduce the little astronaut dude is the guy who pulls the Pikmin out in the Pikmin game and it sounds as if you need to pull out pikmin every so often in order to survive in Brawl.

[Holy Emperor]

Pikmin + Captain is really disappointing. It reminds me of that shitty trophy from the last game that I could never ever get. Either way, who the frick wanted that guy? :/

[Talon87]

I know who: the guy who developed Pikmin at Nintendo. :lol:

Laughs aside, I'm serious: I bet he was feeling left out that his brainchild was missing from this game when every other Nintendo mascot or best-seller's main character had shown up. Probably didn't help matters that so many 3rd-party franchise characters were included, as well as so many 1st-party characters from games that haven't even been released since the N64. (Diddy Kong, looking at you.) Sure, Pikmin is so 2001, but it was one of the major titles for the GC when all you could buy was either Luigi's Mansion or Pikmin. :lol: (Yeah, I know, that's not meant to be funny. Just stating the truth. But ... lol.)

In the end, it comes down to this: the Pikmin guy was probably bummed out, he probably approached the SSBB project leader, he probably used classic Japanese shaming tactics ("No, no, I'm not ....... *sigh* ....... suicidal that Pikmin isn't in SSBB or anything"), and the SSBB guy probably felt compelled to put Pikmin in. Wouldn't hurt if the Pikmin guy showed the SSBB guy Pikmin's sales figures and further guilted him into the inclusion, saying, "Look, if you're going to include Pit ..."

Seriously. I was wondering why Kid Icarus didn't make it into SSBM myself, but I think it's ridiculous, too, when Pit makes it in and Pikmin doesn't, if we forget for a moment that this game is a F-I-G-H-T-E-R and not a way for Nintendo to showcase their most successful franchises. ;)