Hey tuberculosis lawyer guy

[Blastoise]

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Jesus Christ dude, you married yourself an uggo. I figured if you were going through all this bullshit with the CDC and the US government, you'd probably be getting tail from something that didn't look like it killed Jay Leno in mortal combat and decided to wear his chin as a token of victory.

And this is on your wedding day, where she's probably made-up to the max. Hope you were fucking tanked during your honeymoon, wouldn't want to wake up beside that thing sans makeup.

[Talon87]

I agree. :| I had the same thoughts about her smashed-in face and Jay Leno chin. Didn't make the connection about her being fully "dolled up" for her wedding day, though. Good call.

As far as I'm concerned, though, he deserves her. Why? Because he's an asshole and a liar. He says the authorities didn't make it clear to him that he was to stay in Greece, when (quite to the contrary) initial reports state that he was told to stay in Greece and seek medical quarantine but that he managed to sneak out anyway. He says that he wasn't aware TB was a highly infectious airborne disease, which means he's either a liar or a fucking ignoramus because his father-in-law is a famous TB researcher! (Fucking ironic, don't you think?) You mean to tell us that his father-in-law wouldn't recognize the signs of TB? Or that this lawyer, upon finding out he had TB in Greece (which he did do, no matter how much he continues to modify his story), wouldn't have gone to his father-and-law and asked, "Yo, Pops, what exactly does this disease do?"

The fact of the matter is, he's a selfish fucker who got on an airplane, scared for his life, praying to get back to America in one piece so he could seek medical quarantine here. A, better medicine. B, it's easier to do the paperwork since he's an American citizen with American medical insurance and seeking treatment in (you guessed it) an American hospital. He was probably scared that he was going to be quarantined for life in Greece (an irrational fear -_-) and so he did the equivalent of a "breakout."

So as far as I'm concerned, he deserves his fugly, gold-digging wife.

[Talon87]

The WHO weighs many factors, such as the affordability of health care, against many other factors, such as the quality of health care, when deciding those rankings. That Greece outranks the USA, I have little doubt, because United States health care is some of the most expensive health care in the modern world. But don't confuse the WHO's overall rankings for quality-indicators, dami. :| That'd be like saying that Harvard must have the best engineering program in the USA because it's ranked #1 by US News & World Report as "Best University for 2007".

[Kasumi Violet]

*sighs* You guys (well not everyone) are REALLY proving something that I read at a radical feminist site - that women are viewed as the sex class, and so therefore, women should/are only judged by their fuckability. Not based off their merits, not based off of intangable qualities, but how much you guys would want to sleep with them... it's disgusting.

[Holy Emperor]

If a guy was that ugly they would never get any girls. I don't see your point KV.

[Talon87]

If a guy was that ugly they would never get any girls. I don't see your point KV.

He's right. Don't turn this into something it's not. Being superficial about women doesn't automatically make one a chauvinist or a "male supremacist" -- there are plenty of men (in fact, I'd say the vast majority of men, whether they like to admit it or not!) who think to themselves, "Maaaan, that person is so ugly! :x Can't believe they get any!" for both genders.

Case in point. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=carrot+top)

What pisses me off is that you're turning this into a gender-war when that's not what it is at all. I think a lot of people would agree (men and women) that this lady is really ugly; I think they could further agree that she's an irresponsible bitch for allowing her TB-infected husband to get onboard an airplane to sneak back into the USA; and so when they ask themselves, "What would an ugly, irresponsible bitch be doing with a tool like this guy? :?", the first answer to come to mind is, "MONEY" because he's a lawyer. And as for "What would a tool like this guy be doing with a bitch like this?", the answer is "Because he's such an asshole himself, judging from his TB-behavior, that he probably scared away the better ladies who dated him."

She isn't a bitch because of her bad looks, anymore than I am an asshole because of my bad looks. She's a bitch because she knew her husband had TB and yet she did nothing to stop him from re-entering the country prematurely. Hell, she's even defending his actions!

If you want to come in here and turn "Man, that girl is uggggly! :lol: " into a sexwars thread, than fine, be my guest. But seriously, I think it's pretty dumb to say that a group of guys aren't allowed to talk about a laughably ugly man or woman without being accused of chauvinism the moment the victim has a vagina instead of a penis.

[Talon87]

I thought about it some more, over the past hour. Haven't been able to get it off my mind, actually. I feel like I was a dick, and I'm sorry for that. Rather than make excuses, I suppose I should just say, "Yeah, guess what. I'm judgmental like that. For men and for women, I'll have you know, not just women, but still. Making fun of people for their looks is pretty cruel since people don't have the power to change their looks. They're born with them. And sometimes no amount of makeup can fix it ... as in this example. :|"

I think you're right that comments like these can do a lot to hurt people's self-esteem, so they shouldn't be so casually overlooked or permitted. That stated ... I still meant what I said above. If you think we're being mean to her because she's a girl, and if it had been an ugly man we wouldn't have made fun of him, then you are wrong. :| And if you think we can't appreciate that nice girls can be really ugly, again, wrong. There are plenty of girls online who are really nice but not very attractive, or even downright mirror-shattering. And the same goes for men.

Like I've told you before, I'm all for women's equal treatment. But God damn it, if women want equal treatment, then equal treatment they shall have! I'm the sort of guy who, when he sees a fugly person, feels like saying, "Daaamn! :x" Regardless of gender. Equal treatment, however assholish it may still be (to make fun of people's looks). I just want you to know that I don't think one single person who replied to this thread so far has been sexist when describing the bride from this story. If it had been Carrot Top marrying Sarah Michelle Gellar, we'd still be posting the exact same thread with the genders reversed. :|

[Doppleganger]

What good is having the best quality healthcare when the majority cannot afford it?


The majority don't have to afford it, they get it for free anyway by abusing the emergency room system because they don't have planned health care because they're poor anyway, forcing the rest of us to foot their bill.

The US healthcare system is a place where the poor get treated like kings, the rich like emperors, and the middle class like janitors.

[Talon87]

I don't know to what extent you're right, but it's definitely true (as I have been told time and again nurses and ER staff) that even though medical insurance is technically required to get admitted to the hospital, it is against the law to ask for insurance first, and so once the patient gets his foot in the door and has been treated and there's no more immediate danger to his life, he sheepishly smiles and says "I don't have medical insurance :oops: " or perhaps he doesn't even speak English. And so because of this, the hospitals are forced to charge higher prices for their services to make up for the lost money; and that burden falls on the insurance companies (when they find that their client, John Doe, is charging them for $29,900 while he only has to cover $100 of it thanks to his plan and ... holy shit, an MRI scan costs THAT MUCH!?); and since the insurance companies themselves refuse to saddle the burden, they pass it off onto us, the medically-insured, via our monthly bills.

When people cheat the system and get away with it, it's only because other people are (a) able to shoulder the burden and (b) are willing to shoulder the burden. And so the ethical dilemma is this: does a man's right to live permit him to cheat me out of my money? We all can agree that condemning people to death is bad. And that stealing from others is also bad. So what happens when these two forces are pitted against one another? Señor Illegal Immigrant over there just got treated for pancreatic cancer and his bills would have been $500,000 except for the small problem of "no hablo ingles" and the lack of any identification or paperwork of any kind on his person. Sure, the hospital could send him off to the police department, but they're probably not going to be able to get much out of him, either. Definitely not the $500,000 he just "swindled" out of them. And even killing him won't bring it back. So they take it from us. Is this right? No. But it wasn't right that they got cheated either. The easiest person to blame is "Señor", but Señor only acted out of a desire to not die. And who among us can blame him for that? :|

Medical ethics indeed. There's a reason I have to take a semester-long course just on this topic.

[PiccoloNamek]

You know, I just had a whole assortment of blood tests done recently. I only paid $125 for both the visit and all of the tests. (In cash.)

Also, this:


I was talking to an expat who lived in the Pac Rim and recently relocated to Canada. He said he had a handful of minor issues, went to find a new doc, took him a month to find one and get an appt. Most doc's practices were full and would not accept new patients. I guess between what the govt paid and the time the doc spent with his patients, it wasn't worth taking on any more. But I digress...

Goes to the appt, goes over the background history. Starts talking about filling his cholestrol prescription, etc. Nope, out of time for this visit, make another appt. But before that, you need a physical and few blood tests (several visits), wait for the results, then we can start fixing your problems one at a time. He said their system provides 10 minutes a visit. That's it. Needless to say, he's still trying to get his backache dealt with due to other more serious issues getting addressed first, and this is at the six month point.

[Blastoise]

In other countries, like Canada and France, the government pays the healthcare costs for all citizens. Rather than having some profit-driven HMO or insurance company decide what kind of healthcare you will recieve and what kind of treatment will recieve, you do. You can go to any doctor and get most any procedure done and the government covers it. You can go to any hospital and see any doctor you want, not just the doctors that your insurance company covers.


Really? IIRC, there was a debate in Canada about creating a "two-tier" health care system, where people could pay to see private practitioners because waiting periods on the order of months were driving people crazy. US health care blows but if you're arguing "the government" is some magic panacea which will cure all ills you're fucking kidding yourself.


And as for the illegal immigrant with cancer example, that points out another problem. The cost of healthcare has become so inflated that it's an utter joke. It costs thousands of dollars just to preform simple tests and such prices are highway robbery. How does a hospital justify charging $5000 for a CT Scan or $600 for a Chem 7? Considering, afterall, that a CT scan takes all of 5 to 10 minutes to do.


I'm sure the cost of a CT scan has nothing to do with a purchase price of a million plus dollars, nor the cost of paying people to run the machine, interpret the results, and miscellaneous repair costs.

[Kasumi Violet]

Talon, I should've been clearer. I'm not saying you're evil or anything I was merely making a superficial observation of the thread and how it related to something I was reading elsewhere. I have not been following the TB guy's story. From what I read in the conversation at the point of the conversation was that nobody found the woman sexually attractive (although I think one or two people commented without commenting on the woman's looks).
While you do think poorly of some guys' appearances, most of the guys in this forum aren't going to bother commenting on it. And even when you/they do it's normally not on the same terms, there's no sexualization to it. That's where the difference is. It's like saying "I don't find that person aesthetically pleasing" versus saying "I wouldn't bang that person if they paid me." One only says something about your taste, the other is much more vulger. It's like how you should compliment someone else's appearance, saying "wow" in an admiring tone and leaving at that versus saying "I'd like to bang you all night long." One is respectful of the other person's dignity, the other just puts them in a sexual context. (Guess which one women are more likely to hear, frankly, from my ex I only got the latter sort of compliment, and I know my experience is not atypical.)
I've been reading a rather radical (read: not something I agree with 100%) blog, and it brought up a case of a pole-vaulter who had her picture in a paper, and how some guy took it and presented it to the Internet as clothed-porn (AKA - "look at this hottie"- type thing), and now the girl (who is only in high school) has to put up with crap like people selling her likeness on mugs, people making websites with her photo (sometimes cropping her head off), and the like. She's just an 18 yr old girl who is good at a sport, she didn't ask, nor does she want to become a sex-object. Online a lot of guys (not all) have the tendency of seeing every picture of every woman as a potential porn pic. Now while your comment wasn't that sexualized, the thread's original poster, his comment was almost entirely sexual (as in, he pretty much said "anybody would have to be drunk to fuck her").
That was my point.

[Kasumi Violet]

If a guy was that ugly they would never get any girls. I don't see your point KV.

You misunderstand. I know MANY uglier guys who are married, and no one goes around guessing how "tanked" their wives must be to sleep with them. You see my point? it's not the saying that someone is unattractive, it's the bothering to ponder about and say outloud what you think about their sex lives.
Also, it's kind of dumb to assume that her facial structure impedes her sex-life, frankly only porn picture women have to be completely physically attractive to get a guy interested. Women who are actually with a guy in person can do other things besides be passive eye-candy.

[Blastoise]

While you do think poorly of some guys' appearances, most of the guys in this forum aren't going to bother commenting on it.

I would gather because none of the male posters here happen to be attracted to other men. Girls commenting on guys' looks are the same way, women just tend to be less forward about it.


One is respectful of the other person's dignity, the other just puts them in a sexual context. (Guess which one women are more likely to hear, frankly, from my ex I only got the latter sort of compliment, and I know my experience is not atypical.)

Oh well, it was meant to be mean to a douchebag and his gold digger. Oh noes, one person has insulted another person on Al Gore's series of tubes (which is not a big truck), someone call the internets police.


I've been reading a rather radical (read: not something I agree with 100%) blog


Accepting what most radical feminists say about men is pretty similar to accepting what most Klan members say about blacks. Both groups are in their own little universes where the vile penis/darkie behind every corner is the cause of every personal shortcoming and failure in their lives.


She's just an 18 yr old girl who is good at a sport, she didn't ask, nor does she want to become a sex-object.

I'm sure the Star Wars Kid didn't want to be the laughingstock of the internet, but he is. Welcome to the new era. Man, what a drag it must be to be an attractive, intelligent athletic girl. I wish life could have dealt me such a shitty hand.


Online a lot of guys (not all) have the tendency of seeing every picture of every woman as a potential porn pic.

Welcome to the "Internet." I see you are new here. Please listen to the following song (http://forporn.ytmnsfw.com/) in order to become acquainted.

Incidentally if you're wondering, most mainstream feminists organizations have "no position" on pornography (I'm pretty sure this is true for NOW at the moment). I guess Agusta is the most important issue in a womyn's cold, cruel battle against the phallic oppressors.

[Talon87]

Note: The following was written an hour ago, back when the last reply to this thread was Blastoise's on MRI costs. Then I got distracted by Hell's Kitchen.

Man, Reed's been on a roll ever since he came back! (Don't too cocky now! :P) I think I've mentioned before that I have a family member who has been an RN for over two decades. Well, according to said person, the cost of purchase for an MRI machine is "$10 million to $100 million". That's just the cost of purchase. So even if you assume that the average hospital sees 10,000 uses of the MRI machine a year (which is over 20 uses a day), that still means that to cover the cost of the machine in 10 years (or 100,000 uses), they have to charge $100 per use.

dami: See? Only $100. Not $5000. :P
Reed: Ah ah ah ah. :P Hold yer horses.

He's right. Like he said, you then have to consider that the average use of the MRI machine is about ~1 hour per patient-test. If the tech is paid $15/hr (which is pretty shitty, imo), that means you have to factor in an additional $15 to the patient's paycheck.

Next comes the MRI interpretation or "work-up", which we can chalk up to the specialist dealing with the patient. Assuming they make $100/hr, there comes $300 to $500, since the actual work-up of an MRI takes longer than the operation of the machine itself, and patients are charged for their entire treatment and not just any one portion.

Here comes a big one: cost of the electricity used to power that sucker. The average Tesla rating for an MRI machine is between half and 3 Tesla. It takes a lot of juice to keep the magnet operating at that level of magnetic flux. Furthermore, it requires a lot of power to keep the magnet cooled -- supercooled, at 4 Kelvin (that's -269 °C). I won't claim to know what the power costs are precisely, only that they must range somewhere between $100/hr and $1000/hr. Electricity is cheap, yes, but "cheapness" is in the eye of the beholder, and once we start talking 3 Tesla magnetic flux and keep liquid helium at 4 K ... I think all talk of "cheapness" is out the door.

Here comes another enormous cost: repairs. The average hospital estimates that it spends several thousand dollars on MRI repairs annually. Why the repairs are so enormous was soon answered by my relative: "Once you turn an MRI machine on, you can never turn it off. If it loses power, it dies, permanently." I honestly can't believe this myself, and I kept asking her if she was certain this was true, to the point that she got frustrated with me. So, assuming she is right, here's how I see it:
- A, this means that the hospital has to factor in (to the cost of the MRI machine) the cost of the emergency generators which protect it from death. (So any patient who uses an MRI also has to foot the bill for the generators.)
- B, this means that all repairs have to be done with live machinery. The risk of electrocution, God only knows. And please tell me how the hell you're supposed to use your wrench and crowbar within range of a magnet whose field strength is several tens of thousands' times that of the planet?

Never minding that the repair costs are in the thousands, I think the cost of the generators probably makes a meatier contribution to every patient's MRI bill.

I'm gonna call it quits here. Why? Because ... I do have to admit that, no matter how hard I scratch my brain to rack up the dollars for an MRI scan, I know we're not going to break $3000. $5000 is definitely a surcharge, courtesy of both the hospitals and the insurance companies trying to make up for lost profits. (As we discussed before). But my point is, don't pass off an MRI scan as a really cheap deal. There's no way in Hell a fair charge for an MRI scan (in a world where insurance or the government didn't cover us) would be anything less than $2000 per use. Per use. I'm convinced of that much, at least. So every time you go in and have an MRI done and you walk out only having paid $100, remember something: somebody else is footing the remaining $1900+ of your bill.

[Kasumi Violet]

Blastoise-
*sighs*
1.) I read many more feminist blogs than you, radical, mainstream, and even some that are rather conservative. I know feminists positions on various matters. Almost ever type of feminist disapproves of high schoolers being viewed as porn-objects against the girl's will. She consented for a picture in the local newspaper with an article about her, and that is all. She did not upload a video of herself, or even her own picture to the Internet (ala Star Wars Kid). If you don't think her situation is a bad thing, why don't you groom yourself up to the max and post a revealing picture of yourself on a men's gay site? What? You don't want to be wank material for people you don't know who you don't like sexually? (Although I'm guessing the girl is straight, but still, most straight girls don't want to be Internet wank material and she has publically said that she's very unhappy about it)
2.) I know it's the Internet, and people are jerks on it. That doesn't mean I can't say that people are jerks, I was just trying to point out a trend in HOW people are jerks. Really, I don't hate all men (God knows I wouldn't be here if I did), I went to LENGTHS to point out that I didn't believe all men were bad/misbehaving, if you really want to believe that my entire rant was addressing you specifically, go for it, it's your own guilty conscious or self-centeredness speaking.
3.) Just say "Too bad, this is the way things are! haha!" and be done with it, don't try to intellectually dress up your defense of pigs. It's really a waste of time.
4.) Feminists have killed far fewer people than the KKK, and don't actually want to kill off all men, most feminists are straight and therefore attracted to men. They use words, not fires and nooses. If that bothers you, don't read anything I, or any other feminist says. You have the power and the right to not read what I say. Again, I do generally go out of my way to say that NOT ALL MEN ARE BAD/EVIL or do any particular good or bad thing.
5.) You are male, you don't know how girls and women talk about men when men are not around. Trust me, it's much more tasteful. Of the hundreds of girls and women I've talked to and/or overheard in my lifetime, only one talked about men in a sexually objectifying manner. And she weirded all of the other girls' around her out by doing that.

[Talon87]

She's just an 18 yr old girl who is good at a sport, she didn't ask, nor does she want to become a sex-object. Online a lot of guys (not all) have the tendency of seeing every picture of every woman as a potential porn pic. Now while your comment wasn't that sexualized, the thread's original poster, his comment was almost entirely sexual (as in, he pretty much said "anybody would have to be drunk to fuck her").

This sort of thing weighs on my mind quite often and really depressed me to no end. I'm really worried that one of these days some punk at our town's high school is going to take a digital photo of my sister, and 2 weeks and a little photoshopping down the road, she's going to wind up in some porno photo collection of "teen hotties" or "girls next door" where the perp just takes high school girls' faces and puts them on college girls' or porn stars' bodies.

Blastoise sarcastically said to you, "Gee. I feel so bad for that hot girl. It must suck to be born with great looks and have everybody want to fuck your brains out. :roll: " But I think he's wrong, actually. I really do. I very strongly agree with you that we live in a world, sadly, where both extreme beauty and extreme ugliness are curses of equal gravity but different natures. Think about it for a second. (As I did just the other day, this is still pretty fresh in my mind. :|)
The fugly girl is so ugly no man can see himself sexually with her. Worst case scenario, she's a wonderful human being but so hideous that she never gets to enjoy a sexually-fulfilling relationship with a man she cares about.[/*:m:94611]
The hot girl is so beautiful that she can't keep men off of her. Sadly, sometimes literally. While it's every nice guy's dream to bang the hot girl, it's also every creep's and pedophile's and rapist's dream, too. All the sick fucks who fill our prisons' sex offender wards are after hot girls. And unlike us nice guys, the sick fuckers actually have the stupidity + daring to make an illegal move on these women and to force themselves upon them.[/*:m:94611]
I dunno. You tell me. Would you rather be so ugly you're an obligate virgin for life? Or would you rather be so beautiful that your first sexual experience is as a rape victim? Personally, I'd choose fugly virgin for life. :| I can think of no more horrific crime than rape, as it is so psychologically ruinous to the victim (sometimes irreversibly so) and is a true case of sick bastards giving some credence to the horrible theory of "Might Makes Right."

So yeah. KV has a point, Reed. Putting your sarcasm back inside your bag of tricks for one second, I think you have to admit that there is such a thing as "being too hot for your own good." Either that, or you're a sick douche who would prefer his daughter to be hot and photoshopped onto porno mugs than to be Carrot Top-ugly.

[Blastoise]

Mocking appearances on the internet = serious fucking business, ladies and gentlemen.


1.) I read many more feminist blogs than you, radical, mainstream, and even some that are rather conservative. I know feminists positions on various matters. Almost ever type of feminist disapproves of high schoolers being viewed as porn-objects against the girl's will. She consented for a picture in the local newspaper with an article about her, and that is all. She did not upload a video of herself, or even her own picture to the Internet (ala Star Wars Kid). If you don't think her situation is a bad thing, why don't you groom yourself up to the max and post a revealing picture of yourself on a men's gay site? What? You don't want to be wank material for people you don't know who you don't like sexually? (Although I'm guessing the girl is straight, but still, most straight girls don't want to be Internet wank material and she has publically said that she's very unhappy about it)


link4u (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/friend-of-pole-vaulter-allison-reveals-the-stokke-may-be-on-us-all-13014.php)

I also tend to not give my picture to newspapers either. I find that's an effective method to keep my appearances under wraps, that and not posting pictures of myself fucking tanked off my ass on Facebook.


2.)man this point doesn't go anywhere and is kinda dumb
3.)this one too



4.) Feminists have killed far fewer people than the KKK, and don't actually want to kill off all men, most feminists are straight and therefore attracted to men. They use words, not fires and nooses.

Yeah. Congratulations on missing the point.


5.) You are male, you don't know how girls and women talk about men when men are not around. Trust me, it's much more tasteful. Of the hundreds of girls and women I've talked to and/or overheard in my lifetime, only one talked about men in a sexually objectifying manner. And she weirded all of the other girls' around her out by doing that.

MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE TRUMPS YOUR ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE AND SINCE THE PLURAL OF "ANECDOTE" IS "FACTS" I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG

EDIT:


I dunno. You tell me. Would you rather be so ugly you're an obligate virgin for life? Or would you rather be so beautiful that your first sexual experience is as a rape victim? Personally, I'd choose fugly virgin for life. Neutral I can think of no more horrific crime than rape, as it is so psychologically ruinous to the victim (sometimes irreversibly so) and is a true case of sick bastards giving some credence to the horrible theory of "Might Makes Right."


I know this digression is really going places*, but can we actually have a discussion without irrational panic bullshit like "attractiveness = U GONNA GET RAPED" please?

*not really

[Talon87]

So you refuse to admit that there is such a thing as "too pretty for one's own good." Figures.

[Kasumi Violet]

link4u (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/friend-of-pole-vaulter-allison-reveals-the-stokke-may-be-on-us-all-13014.php)

I also tend to not give my picture to newspapers either. I find that's an effective method to keep my appearances under wraps, that and not posting pictures of myself fucking tanked off my ass on Facebook.


I laughed yesterday when a room on wheels fell down right next to me. Is that because I enjoyed watching the structure collapse? No, it's because laughter can sometimes be a normal human reaction to a stressful situation. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Stokke thought it was funny at first, before it showed itself to be a growing potential problem. Just because when it was one idiot saying she was hot she thought it was funny, compared to when it got more out of hand, doesn't make it OK.
Moving on, yes, you keep yourself out of the paper, but say you had a talent as an athelete. Wouldn't you want more attention for your skill? Especially if you wanted a chance at a college scholarship? I don't think being porn-ified against your will is a fitting "punishment" for daring to be a non-ugly female who receives public attention for an athletic talent. You think it is, so this conversation is really growing stale.


Yeah. Congratulations on missing the point.

I think you missed the point. My point was that FEMINISM IS NO REAL THREAT TO YOU UNLESS YOU'RE SO SENSITIVE THAT YOU CANNOT STAND HAVING A PORTION OF YOUR GENDER (NOT YOU SPECIFICALLY) CRITICIZED. And if that's the case, I suggest you get off the Internet or don't read my posts.


MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE TRUMPS YOUR ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE AND SINCE THE PLURAL OF "ANECDOTE" IS "FACTS" I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG

One of us has a decent source of anecotal evidence (having been female largely in the company of other females for 25 years), the other one of us is some guy. Yes, I think that women know more about women, just as men know more about men. Not that we aren't both are free of bias, and/or don't see things differently.

Anyway I've said what I want to say, if you need clarification, be specific and I'll clarify, otherwise I'm done making my point.

Talon--
I'm glad that you see my logic, most young men I've known haven't been able to grasp it.

[Jerichi]

All I have to say on the matter is...

I'm glad that guy's in Denver now.

[Blastoise]

So you refuse to admit that there is such a thing as "too pretty for one's own good." Figures.


Good fucking grief.

a)you're implying that only "pretty" people get raped. If you actually believe this, you are a complete fucking retard and there is no kinder way to put it.

b)at least as a woman, it's much easier to be pretty than it is to be ugly in this world, for better or worse. Naomi Campbell found out that when she put on a fat suit, people were suddenly a whole lot meaner to her. Granted, Ms. Campbell is by all accounts completely fucking loco, but it serves to make the point that a supermodel gets treated much differently (worse) when she's not "pretty" anymore.

[Talon87]

Your sense of humor and good attitude are too much for me. :|

*has warmed up to Reed again ... just a smidge! :P *

I'm still serious, though: don't be such a tight-fisted douche in these debates who refuses to give up even one inch of ground! I mean, JESUS. You know I wasn't Nancy Grace-ifying womankind and saying that all women need to live in fear of penors, e- or otherwise. I was just saying that I do have side with KV on the "athlete turned porn mug star" discussion. No girl deserves to be pornified against her will any more than any of us deserves to be humiliated when we do nothing to deserve it. Like she explained, the Star Wars Kid is a bad example because he submitted himself to our jeers and jibes -- he put his own retarded video on the Interwebs and the rest is history. The high school girl's quite a bit different.

Maybe you and (KV and I) disagree on this, but tell me this, dude ... do you think the following two are equally bad, or do you think one is more tragic than the other?
1) a clean dude uploads his photo to Facebook, and 2 years later he sees it on a porno website
2) a clean dude doesn't know what the "Interweb" even is, but is told by his niece that his photo is on some porno website

I think even Case #1 is sad. Case #1 is like me, or KV, or you, or dami, or most people here. Even if our photos aren't online, our names, our identities, our aliases certainly are. (Remember the whole "Talon87 black pr0n" fiasco?) It'd be pretty easy for somebody to sign up at xxxteenhotties.com as "blastoise_reed_w0w" and for it to fall back on you as negative rep, even though it was some enemy of yours who did it. (Same goes for me. For Kuno. For anybody online, period.) None of us is immune to having cruel people try to slight us by tarnishing our images.

But Case #2, dude? That's a whole other ballpark of bad, in my book. :| I mean, that guy didn't even get the CHANCE to piss off his victimizer. He was just minding his own business, walking down the streets of New York, and the next thing he knows, he's a pr0n world hero thanks to the wonders of PhotoShop.



Btw, dude, if you want to discuss the medical tech thing, by all means, go for it. I'm all up for it, and by the looks of it, so is dami. Where the hell is Doppel? :| Mr. "I want to be a lawyer!" and all needs to get his butt in here and back dami up. Or not. :? (Where is he?)

[Skrusti]

While I'm not sure what the hell is really going on (alot of tl;dr), I did notice one statement jump out at me, something about an "uggo".

Personally, I'm a bit disgusted people are making a big deal or whatever that this guy's wife is 'ugly'. You have to remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (lawl), and even if you think she's the most ugly piece of shit on this earth, do you really have to comment as such?

I've never cared about looks in my life, nor will I ever. Jesus, get past the outside and look at what counts. Look at the other's personality. I'd rather be together with this 'uggo' who could have a kick-ass personality than be with some snob, bitch-ass princess who you all drool over because her boobies are the 'right size', her lips are 'good', or whatever shit-stupid excuse you can bring up. (You being a relative term, I'm not trying to single anyone out here.)

This is one of just many things wrong with the human race. 90% of it puts too much into finding a 'hot' member of the opposite sex.

[Sylar]

Looks aren't everything. Just look at Sloth.

http://ilovetheworld.co.uk/images/goonies.jpg

He still managed to have a wonderful experience with Chuck and help kill his own mother. :D

Seriously though, anybody who can honestly say they've never looked at a guy/girl and thought to themselves "Oh God, how can you be that ugly", to be frank, is a fucking liar. It's the way we're brought up, to accept what's beautiful and reject the ugly. If we relate appearance to something else, such as drugs, you can see. Some drugs are bad, they can kill you, make you fucked up and these represent the ugly people. Other drugs are good, used in hospitals, help us get better and these represent the "beautiful" people. It's not us thinking like that, it's the way things are associated when we're young. In the human world, EVERYTHING is about standards, the food we eat, clothes we wear, E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. Even if it's not that clear, when we're growing up, we do get told that what's ugly is bad, and that influences our attitude to people in later life.

Now, that's not to say ugly people should be insulted for being "ugly", even if people prefer the appearance of the "beautiful" people. That's just stupid. >>

[Muyotwo]

2.)man this point doesn't go anywhere and is kinda dumb
3.)this one too

MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE TRUMPS YOUR ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE AND SINCE THE PLURAL OF "ANECDOTE" IS "FACTS" I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG



Yeah okay.

Awesome penis reference. A winnar is u.


I'm not getting involved in this discussion, but Reed's arguments and points are awesome.